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Im doing my final teet next Friday and then I'll get the license.

I was thinking about BMW because I simply love the classicness of it.

I come from a poor family with a single mother who does have a decent job. We were thinking of a nice car that I can drive my family around. Something about a 10-20 thousand euro would do fine. That is our budjet.
 

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And yeah, I have never been the guy who has 'dreamt' about a car for the last five years. As I come from a poor family, I have never thought about anything costly; it has never crossed my mind and I was never interested in them. In fact my mother is so poor that it is me, my little brother and little sister who takes care of her for the past 10 years.

So I have no idea of the 'goods' and 'bads' of any car. No idea of anything. My father recommended a Nissan since BMW costs alot, but I wanna make more research. And yeah I have a good relationship with my father and still see him as a decent father to me. So, no trust issues.
 

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BMW is a luxury car, if your family isn't as rich like mine then the insurance will kill you. For your first car, get something below 10k. Your first car is supposed to be sh*tty so in case you wreck it it doesn't really matter. Handa, Mazda, or Ford Sedans are a good starting point. When I move out and start my career, I'm investing in a BMW M5 528i Sedan. Why? Because I'll be experienced enough by then and I'll be able to afford it. Don't start high end and don't start in a place where you can't afford something.

If you're going to get a used one, watch the mileage count. 10-15k is average yearly. I wouldn't go higher than 30k miles. And check EVERYTHING, you don't want a broken car.

For a new one, never pay the sticker price. Always bargain down. There are some websites that will tell you the REAL estimated price. Sports/Supers cars are off limits, insurance will dig you a debt.
 

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BMW is a luxury car, if your family isn't as rich like mine then the insurance will kill you. For your first car, get something below 10k. Your first car is supposed to be sh*tty so in case you wreck it it doesn't really matter. Handa, Mazda, or Ford Sedans are a good starting point. When I move out and start my career, I'm investing in a BMW M5 528i Sedan. Why? Because I'll be experienced enough by then and I'll be able to afford it. Don't start high end and don't start in a place where you can't afford something.

If you're going to get a used one, watch the mileage count. 10-15k is average yearly. I wouldn't go higher than 30k miles. And check EVERYTHING, you don't want a broken car.

For a new one, never pay the sticker price. Always bargain down. There are some websites that will tell you the REAL estimated price. Sports/Supers cars are off limits, insurance will dig you a debt.
Yes. Thank you for the answer. It is true that in case I wreck it, that is why my father recommended a cheap one too for first car. But I love risks man. It makes the whole driving much more interesting. As far as I'm concerned I only live with risks. I am not afraid to lose anything.

So yeah, I feel like going straight to a classic one since we can afford but if the budjet is about 20k euros max. I simply love the luxuriness of it, the risks of it, the rush of excitement from it, I can't help it.

And experience? You experience by doing. Not by waiting. That is why men are aggressive and women are pasdive. Now, is there a BMW car that is about 20k (euros). Here, in Finland I feel all cars are like one level costlier.
 

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Yes. Thank you for the answer. It is true that in case I wreck it, that is why my father recommended a cheap one too for first car. But I love risks man. It makes the whole driving much more interesting. As far as I'm concerned I only live with risks. I am not afraid to lose anything.

And experience? You experience by doing. Not by waiting. That is why men are aggressive and women are pasdive. Now, is there a BMW car that is about 20k (euros). Here, in Finland I feel all cars are like one level costlier.
When it comes to women, take all the risks you want. Because they're not that important.

When it comes to YOUR life, don't take any risks YOU DON'T have to take. And why are you thinking about yourself in all of this? You even said your family isn't financially fit so an expensive car would crunch your parent(s) wallet. I would be lucky to even getting a car paid for by my parent, I have to work for mine.

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So yeah, I feel like going straight to a classic one since we can afford but if the budjet is about 20k euros max. I simply love the luxuriness of it, the risks of it, the rush of excitement from it, I can't help it.
You better to learn to help it. When it comes to finances and investments, those "rush of excitements" will land you in debt and on the streets. Be smart about your money and your life. Don't fvck up your parent(s) credit card rating because "you live by risks" that is just stupidity dude. Even if you were buying the car yourself, I would tell you to start off low.

It's safer to walk before running. Especially when it comes to actual life.
 

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Frayzer said:
When it comes to women, take all the risks you want. Because they're not that important.

When it comes to YOUR life, don't take any risks YOU DON'T have to take. And why are you thinking about yourself in all of this? You even said your family isn't financially fit so an expensive car would crunch your parent(s) wallet. I would be lucky to even getting a car paid for by my parent, I have to work for mine.



You better to learn to help it. When it comes to finances and investments, those "rush of excitements" will land you in debt and on the streets. Be smart about your money and your life. Don't fvck up your parent(s) credit card rating because "you live by risks" that is just stupidity dude. Even if you were buying the car yourself, I would tell you to start off low.

It's safer to walk before running. Especially when it comes to actual life.
I have taken women for so granted there is no need for any risk anymore. When it comes to life, I take risks whenever there is a chance.

This car is about my family, yes. My uncle, mothers smallest brother is included in our family - we live together. This new car will be our first ever and my uncle has a livense too. He also works in a pretty nice job: 100-200 euros a day so that is not bad. We will buy this car together with the help of the three of us. Don't worry about my family.

So it won't just be me driving it, my uncle too. My mother doesn't have a license. And we really need a fine car to drive around town. Do you get me? We are looking for a fine car, not a car that I can wreck any minute. And I have not any idea is a 10k enough for a fine car. After the divorcement by my parents, about ten years ago, i have taken the role of a father figure, the dominat one in this family. So this is me and my mother choosing, deciding a car now, and she k ows nothing! My uncle is in Sweden working now so we won't be seeing him for a few months. What do you think about this. Give me the fine BMW car!

My family is close so don't worry about my luckiness. This is nothing. In fact I have helped her so much ever since I was born that a nice car for the family for my ninethteen birthday is not bad - it is enough for me. I was constantly telling you that our budget has a 10-20k euros for a car, man! So, again, don't worry about me wrecking my mothers budget, now the car.. You seem to be very young, can I trust your information? I take risks.
 
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Desdinova said:
Wow, you have two red blocks! Let's try to make it three...
Im absolutely shocked. No problem. I just don't see any problem with my posts? Just a eighteen year old teen asking for some tip for a new car. Are you even worth being a moderator? Then tell me the problem about this post. I am just friendly asking for the opinions of the moderator of this forum, just to understand yours mindset better, so we can get on better.

At least a feedback should be given right?
 

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It depends where you live, your country in particular.

For example if you're in Germany you could pick up Lada Niva brand new for $10,000 dollars, that's less than 10,000 euros I guess. Russian cars are cheap to buy and maintain, but they do require a lot of babying -- on Russian roads that is. Lot's of gaskets you have to change, etc.

But basically you shouldn't go ahead and buy a car on your last money.

What is car, for newbies.


Any automobile has engine, transmission, suspension, brakes, noise insulation, interior.

An engine usually comes in variety of packages, it could be 4 cylinder, 6 cylinder, 8 cylinder, etc. The more cylinders an engine has the smoother it runs. Usually economy cars have a 4 cylinder engine, while business class cars have 8 and 12 cylinder engines. An engine has a crank shaft to which cylinders are attached, and intake and exhaust cams, which drive valves. Basically an engine, would either have a rubber belt connecting crank shaft with cams or a metal chain. If an engine has a rubber belt drive then it must be serviced every certain amount of miles. Also, engines could be interference, that's when if a rubber belt brakes valves and cylinders come in contact, and non interference. For best durability and less headache you should look for engines with metal chain drive and non interference valves.

Then there are power boosting technologies, which boost power on naturally aspirated (non supercharged and non turbocharged engines). One of such systems is BMW VANOS, which is a variable valve timing technology. (also called BMW ANUS) You need to research good into such systems, because many of them have quirks. For example, BMW VANOS eats a lot of oil, 1 liter of premium synthetic oil per 1000 km is normal for BMW motors.

Also, car motors are made of different materials, for example aluminum or steel. Steel motor blocks after service life could be rebuild, while aluminum motor blocks are usually throw away.

A car engine has a certain service life, measured in 100,000, 150,000, 200,000 miles, etc. Plus or mines thousands of miles depending how it was used, how often the oil was changed, and what type of quality oil was used. After the service life runs out, engine has to be rebuild.

Car transmissions can be automatic and manual. Manual transmissions are the most fun for a car guy, and from durability stand point are very friendly and reliable. Manual transmissions could be repaired if needed, and during car exploitation usually all you need is to change clutch every 100,000 km or so. Automatic transmissions can be of several types, they could be hydrolic drive and dual clutch. In any case, if an automatic transmission brakes, it is usually not rebuild-able. Also, cars with manual transmissions have better fuel economy.

Suspension is what makes an automobile comfortable, the more components the suspension has the more comfortable it is to drive that automobile. Another thing car manufacturers use in suspension design to make cars comfortable is aluminum. The less weight have the moving suspension parts the more comfortable car appears, and thus aluminum is used. Usually this can be seen on German luxury cars such as Audi, BMW. Problem with aluminum is that it brakes on bad roads and is expensive to replace. Thus car with aluminum suspension is expensive in service.

Any car has brakes. Brakes nowadays are usually of two types, all around disk, or front disk and rear drums on economy cars. The latter type has a certain addition service requirement, every few months or so you have to tighten the emergency brake, as the rear drums wear out. All brakes require service. You have to check every half a year or so the condition of brake pads and replace them in time. Also, every two years you have to change the brake fluid, and every month check that there is enough brake fluid.

Noise insulation is what makes the car quiet, usually cheap cars don't have noise insulation.

Finally the interior of your car are seats, instrument panel, and all kinds of controls.

Both BMW and Nissan are expensive in service. Especially the older vehicle you looking at for 10 or 20k euro.

Service cost

Any car has service cost associated with it. Service cost is measured per 100,000 km or (miles). It is all the repairs, all the tires, all the oil changes, and gas combined. The resulting number is euros (dollars, rubles) per km (or mile).

How to buy a car for newbies

If you are going to buy a used car, you basically have two choices.

A) From 1st owner.
B) From only God knows which owner.

Let's look at both cases.

A) You buying car from 1st owner. A brand new car has service intervals, usually every 10,000 km owner has to bring it to the dealer and perform service on vehicle. You need to ask the seller if he performed that service, and it would be very helpful if he could show you some documentation, like checks. What you need to watch out for are owners that say I didn't do anything to this car, just changed oil, it never once broke on me. Because any car has wear and tear associated with it, and although he did not have to do anything, you will have to service everything that he didn't service.

B) You buying car from 2nd, 3rd, or God knows which owner, they lost the count. Obviously this car has some serious miles on it, more than 100,000 km. You need to ask the seller what he has done to the car. Because a car guy would always do something to his car, while a penny pinching dude wouldn't do anything, even wouldn't change oil in time, and only fix things as they brake. If the guy says he hasn't done anything to it, and it never has broke on him, stay away from the car.

In both cases A) and B) you need to look at signs of car crashes, and if possible check carfax or something similar. Do not buy a car that has been in a car crash.

Also, in both cases look at tires. A car guy that looked for the car wouldn't have worn out all season tires.

Sit inside the car, close all windows, and smell the interior. If it smells like something and you can't really tell what it is, then don't buy that car. Because on crap car which didn't see service, people don't change interior filter and interior smells like something unknown and interesting --- that's the smell of a lemon guys.
 

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Get a van or a mini-van... why would you think of buying a BMW if your family is poor... THIS is why your family IS POOR.

A van rules all. You can get a cheap van for 2,000 bucks, a cargo van and transform the insides into a totally sweet setup.

Kid you can't even afford the oil for a BMW. Why don't you go to trade school and learn to be a Mechanic, then you can put together your own junker and do whatever the fvck u like. My first car cost me $400 because thats all I could afford. It lasted 5 years.
 

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Lmao a BMW? And your 18?. You need to get your cranium checked.First of all BMW makes great cars but their reliability sucks. You would be paying an arm and a leg for maintenance and you will know the service dept of your dealership on a first name basis. A Honda Mazda Toyota Nissan or any other reliable car can get you to the same place as a merc BMW or Lexus.

Luxury cars are lease vehicles, if you buy them your either a fool or you can afford to throw money away. You drop a 30k on a BMW, you drive it off the dealership it depreciates by 4-5k. Now suppose you park it on the streets and some drunk driver hits by accident. Boom there goes your 30k, insurance might cover it but it will jack up, and you will be poppin pockets. Now if you lease the vehicle it's maintenance free and you can upgrade to a new car every year and you don't have to worry about depreciation.

Get a cheap reliable car don't be a fool.
 

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My family is poor. Yes. That is why only 10-20k euros. We consider that okay with our budjet. We are not that poor to buy a car from 500 to 2000. Get me?
I already made it clear that we have 10-20k. I am simply amazed, you must have some sort of budget inferior. Relax now. We are poor but how can you consider what poor is? For someone a 10k car is poor and for some a 10k is rich.

Now my question was just a fine car for 10-20k. I can't believe it is this hard. I was expecting some logical explanations for this car and that car, and your bringing my family's poorness over and over again, you must really have some budget inferior.

Now, thank you backseatjuan. You crettainly are back seated when the others are front seated. You gave me a very well information. They have banned my IP so I cannot come from my deskopt and write - I am using my phone. So I cannot write like the best possible replies but hang on with me.

Jack, what is craminity? And sure, yeah I can buy another car than BMW. Just that is looks sick. Give me another car that I'm excited to drive, otherwise I won't need more than 3k euros or a fine car. But as you can see, we are really not just for me, but for me uncle too who is experienced, a nice, fine car to drive around that won't break in 3 months right.

I believe, you guys are underestimate our budget. As I stated, we have 10-20k to spend. That does not mean we will die of hunger afterwards. It means that we still have more money to live a fine life. When you can pick up gold instead of rocks, then why not? And we can go on forever bringing the goods and the bad sides of this car and it will never end. Some will say that many will come and try to kill you for the gold and many will say that with this gold you can buy a fine house and then, but if you hide the gold like really good then nobody finds out and if you buy a fine house, people will know about it and many will come and steal, maybe kill. Now I you are constantly hiding the gold, you will live a life of anxiety, constantly worrying and if you get a house with the gold, you might not worry about hiding it anymore. It never ends. It is like talking with a woman, she has her emotions and her emotions constantly bringing the best logical explanations out. Life is very much like women. How can you consider yourself a human being, if you don't live with emotion? Whether you know it or not, conscious or unconscious, all your so-called rationalizations and logical explanations comes out of your emotions, some may be stronger some weaker, some might have had a deep influence through experience but it all comes out of feelings. What led you to this site? You felt too hurt by your ex soulmate that never was a soulmate before and all the anger in this site towards women - if that is not emotions and feelings then what is? Anger is the deepest emotion there is ever possible. And all the followers the women haters have.. How? Through their anger, they create the best possible rationalizations, certainly all the women haters will like those rationalizations, hence a so-called not give a **** mentality is created. It is nothing more than hatred towards women, deep down you care so much that you are just acting. If you really did not care, you would not hate women, you would not have feelings for her! - yea anger is the deepest and strongest feeling same as love that you once had. It is just the other side of the same coin - no transformation have happened. Nobody has turned into a Don Juan. A real Don Juan is fine whether he is with a woman or not. He does not hate them.

But right now I have decided that I am going to spend 10-20k for a new car an whether it is a good thin or a bad thing is another matter. But just give me a fine explanation for what car I should buy for 10-20k considering the fact that I am looking for a good car, a fine one. Now I checked the car prices an it seems that the "luxuries" are worth like 50-100k so I think a 20k is average. I am not sure about this. Can you say that a 400 dollar car is average? I just feel like it is impossible. Enlighten me.
 

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Desdinova said:
Wow, you have two red blocks! Let's try to make it three...
Your a moderator? Wow
 

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Watawata said:
Your a moderator? Wow
Yea, he amazed me too.

I have to take a personal time to say thanks to backseatjuan just to show my respect. His information was beautiful with logic that makes sense. I have been looking for this for a while and he made it very clearly, perfectly good. I have to rep.
 

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People with money don't need to SHOW others how rich they are.

You want a fine car? Get a SKODA, it'll run you 1,000 bucks. You need a fine car? Get a cargo van, it will last forever. Buy an old limo... a good car? Get a mall raider, the mileage is awesome.

Your poor or have a small ****? Get an expensive car, buy expensive clothes and have lots of jewelry. You and your family will make payments for the rest of your life.

If you really want to show off, buy an airplane. A fine car is a lambo, you can't afford it.


Rich people buy assets, things that will most likely go up in value. Poor people buy expenses, things that will definitely go down in value. Rich people collect land; poor people collect bills - Millionaire Mind


When you take off the body, a car is a car. You can never drive more than the speed limit and your car will not make you better than your neighbors. If you are smart and stop being a know-it-all you'd realize that in this economic climate, buying the finer things in life is a stupid decision. The car will not appreciate in value and you will not get your money back. Lemme guess, you're a Starbucks drinker?

My uncle was a multimillionaire, he had a small house, a regular car and no one ever knew he had money until he died and they found close to 4 million dollars in his bank account. I guess I shouldn't have told him off before he died eh. :D
Left it all to his ex-wife who promptly spent it in a few months on a finer car and a finer house. Now she's broke again living in a fine house and driving a fine car. She was a single mom, he had a habit of marrying single moms, she was the second. Never had any children of his own. What a shame.

The point is, you Bradd have a poor attitude. The majority of people who make their decisions on impulse and emotion are WOMEN, you are a man and you are supposed to think logically about this. What can 10k do for you?

- Get you a better education

- Buy you a small rental property

- Pay rent/utilities for you in America for a couple months

- Saved in a bank

- Send your whole family on a cruise

- Invested in a small business (like a hot dog cart)

Buy a cheap car you can AFFORD. No one is interested in listening to you brag when shortly they are going to have to start paying your family's welfare checks. Also wtf is your obsession with using the word 'fine' to describe things. I don't think you'd know a 'fine' thing if it hit you in the face.
 
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Daamn I fell in love with Audi s5 coupe, it looks fvucking good and the exhaust sounds it screams.. It sounds like gods judgement day, the day all angels cry.
 

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My mother owns one, the vinyl oil alone will run you nearly 5 to 10 grand for an oil change. She had to get the tranny replaced, cost her 20gs. Junked it, piece of sh1t car if you ask me.
 

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My mother owns one, the vinyl oil alone will run you nearly 5 to 10 grand for an oil change. She had to get the tranny replaced, cost her 20gs. Junked it, piece of sh1t car if you ask me.
Don't ruin my excitement brah, haha.
 

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