Where/what will you be in 100 billion years from now?

[bigjohnson]

.... sounds silly but makes sense to me.

You're right, it is silly. I just hope you don't mock people who believe God created all things instead of evolution. They have at least as much hard evidence to back their belief (and probably more) than you do.

 

[penkitten]

You're right, it is silly. I just hope you don't mock people who believe God created all things instead of evolution. They have at least as much hard evidence to back their belief (and probably more) than you do.

but i myself believe that god created all things, as he created each of our beings in heaven before he sent us to our mother's wombs.
to be honest, i believe that different religions are not that different and that you should take the good from a variety of religions to form a religion that you can personally believe in. i believe there is but one god, and different religions call him by different names.
i am not saying that others are wrong and that i am right. i just believe in what i believe, and if i die tomorrow and there was not a god or a heaven or another chance to recycle and learn more to be closer to god, then it is ok because what did i have to loose by believing in him? i lost nothing, and was good to my fellow man.
however i believe that if i died tomorrow and there was a god and a heaven , and i had not tried my best to believe in him with as much faith as i have, then i would certainly loose out on everything.

 

[bigjohnson]

.... i believe that different religions are not that different and that you should take the good from a variety of religions to form a religion that you can personally believe in .....

What if the Christians are right and the doorway to salvation really is narrow and cramped with only a few finding it as the Gospels say? I'm pretty sure THAT God wouldn't cotton to you taking what you wanted from the religion buffet.

But if it helps you live a good life then good for ya.

 

[Climax]

but i myself believe that god created all things, as he created each of our beings in heaven before he sent us to our mother's wombs.
to be honest, i believe that different religions are not that different and that you should take the good from a variety of religions to form a religion that you can personally believe in. i believe there is but one god, and different religions call him by different names.
i am not saying that others are wrong and that i am right. i just believe in what i believe, and if i die tomorrow and there was not a god or a heaven or another chance to recycle and learn more to be closer to god, then it is ok because what did i have to loose by believing in him? i lost nothing, and was good to my fellow man.
however i believe that if i died tomorrow and there was a god and a heaven , and i had not tried my best to believe in him with as much faith as i have, then i would certainly loose out on everything.

speakeasy you raise some interesting points, thank you for that you are deffinatelly someone I can enjoy a nice meaning discussion with

Hey kitten, good to see you again! (Not sure if you remember me - I use to go by the name AeQu|TaS)

Anyways I like your way of thinking, my beliefs are quiet similar.

My personal outlook on life is that Every single thing on this Earth is here for a reason. And everything that happens also happens for a reason. I think there is a "level" per se that we as "beings" need to reach in order to fulfill our personal purpose in life. I believe that it is no co-incidence that you know the people you know, that you have been taught the life lessons that you have been taught, had the experiences that you have had... And if we do not complete our "purpose" in this life, then we come back here with the purpose of fulfilling our purpose.

Once we fulfill our purpose then we move on to a higher more meaningful "life" where we will have different purposes with different responsibilities and meaning.

And now for the question I was really trying to get at.. Lets say we ARE here for a reason and lets say that when we die (no matter what form we are or where we are) then we come back to life in some sort of form.... right? So if we will always life some sort of life with some sort of purpose, and the cycle ust goes on and on and on... then what is REALLY the point of life? Where are we working towards? What is MY individual goal? Lets say for arguments sake that I have lived 100 different lives and I have worked my way up to god's most loyal "being" and there is more "up" to go because I have "fulfilled my purpose" in every way possible... What happens then? Do I just die? Do I go to heaven?

For arguments sake, lets just say that I DO end up going to heaven after all my "journeys" and "purposes" etc... What happens in heaven? Do I live happily ever after? How long is "happily ever after" ? Do I just keep on living and living and living and living and living and living and living and living.... In 100 billion years I will probably still be living some sort of life with SOME sort of purpose etc.. And then 100 billion years after that, I will either still be ALIVE somewhere doing something, or i will be gone?

But lets say for arguments sake that we do in fact "live forever" - look at the world and god and everything as a big box, life goes on in the box forever and ever, the cycle of life never ends... But what is the ultimate goal / reason for life? What is the ultimate goal? To live forever? To get to heaven? ... But what happens 100 billion years after you reach your goal? and once u reach the next goal (whatever it may be), then where will you be 100 billion years from THAT point?

This is something that will probably linger in my mind for as long as I can help it (until I die as a Human I think?) because I fear that we will never know the answers to this. We really do know nothing...

 

[penkitten]

i remember you!!
you and i believe alot of the same things.

 

[backbreaker]

In my honest opinion- Humans will be gone, by 50,000 years. How? By war, disease and environmental destruction. We will be our own ultimate downfall. Not like the Dinosaurs- who lived completely without interruption, for almost 100 million years(damn!).....until a stray comet/asteroid crashed into the Gulf of Mexico.

Until our own sun finally burns out- Earth will be uninhabited(unless aliens decide to make Earth a pit stop), for the most part. Yes- me thinking I would be a refined, compressed carbon product.....is purely wishful thinking. Even if I were one.......nobody would be around to bother wearing me on their hand.

there are species on our own planet who survive without any sunlight whatsoever... life will go on without the sun, we just won't.

 

[backbreaker]

I take solice in the fact that the same thing that is going to happen to me has happened to billions of people before me and will happen to billions of people after me, so whatever it is, it is.

 

[ValleyDJing]

If I keep living my life how I have been living it...Hell.

 

[Climax]

If I keep living my life how I have been living it...Hell.

Change is a decision away.... :cheer:

 

[ValleyDJing]

Change is a decision away.... :cheer:

I fear change. But I did always wonder what it would be like to be a good person.

 

[speakeasy]

My personal outlook on life is that Every single thing on this Earth is here for a reason. And everything that happens also happens for a reason.

I used to have that believe but am moving away from it. I'm becoming more inclined to believe that nothing happens for any particular reason. And there's not some cosmic lesson to be learned in everything. When thousands of kids got wiped out in the 2005 tsunami, was I to believe there was a reason for it? Other than just bad luck on their part on being near the water on the wrong day. Maybe some things happen for a reason, maybe some of us have guardian angels are something like that, but I can't possibly believe all things happen for a reason. I just think we live in a cause and effect universe and random things happen due to that cause and effect and that's just the way it is.

I think there is a "level" per se that we as "beings" need to reach in order to fulfill our personal purpose in life. I believe that it is no co-incidence that you know the people you know, that you have been taught the life lessons that you have been taught, had the experiences that you have had... And if we do not complete our "purpose" in this life, then we come back here with the purpose of fulfilling our purpose.

Well, I hope that's the case. I would love to believe that there's more to life than meets the eye and that this existence is just the beginning of a long journey.

For arguments sake, lets just say that I DO end up going to heaven after all my "journeys" and "purposes" etc... What happens in heaven? Do I live happily ever after? How long is "happily ever after" ? Do I just keep on living and living and living and living and living and living and living and living.... In 100 billion years I will probably still be living some sort of life with SOME sort of purpose etc.. And then 100 billion years after that, I will either still be ALIVE somewhere doing something, or i will be gone?

But lets say for arguments sake that we do in fact "live forever" - look at the world and god and everything as a big box, life goes on in the box forever and ever, the cycle of life never ends... But what is the ultimate goal / reason for life? What is the ultimate goal? To live forever? To get to heaven? ... But what happens 100 billion years after you reach your goal? and once u reach the next goal (whatever it may be), then where will you be 100 billion years from THAT point?

This is something that will probably linger in my mind for as long as I can help it (until I die as a Human I think?) because I fear that we will never know the answers to this. We really do know nothing...

The problem with your thinking here is that you assume that the same things that make sense in this reality will make sense in another. You worry about what you have to "do" in this eternal existence on some higher plane and "how long" it will last. Questions like these are natural for us because we are in a nuts and bolts world where we have to do something or die, and where time is linear. So it's hard to imagine "doing" something forever without reaching some definable goal and where time stands still. It goes agains teverything we understand. But what we understand is probably very small. God, if he exists in the sense that we think, would be in a plane of existance so high above human understanding that there wouldn't be much about that realm we could comprehend. Just like ants on the ground go about their business oblivious to the fact that I am standing there observing them, having no understanding of their purpose or anything we humans understand. Just think about it, you could pour water on an ant mound and watch them scatter in a panic. They will have no idea what is happening to them. All they can do is react and scurry around trying to survive. They have no concept of how they fit into the food chain, how they evolved, why they are so myopic and do nothing but walk in straight lines looking for food. An ant could never understand something like "meaning of life" or mathematics or anything higher creatures like humans understand. An ant couldn't imagine a life outside of what they are programmed to do, just gather food and keep their colony queen alive and reproduce. Well you know what? Maybe there is an existence that makes us look just as myopic and primitive as these ants. That's the best answer I can give. Don't worry about what you will do forever, because your perception of time and purpose is very limited by your experience HERE. Perhaps when you are THERE, you won't be worried about the things you are now.

 

[Holland]

Maybe we are evolutionary dead end and need to get extinct?

Please tell me that this was intended as a bad joke...

As for the God thing, I don't believe that if there is a God, he would be a closed-minded mofo.
Religion is lame.

 

[Climax]

Well said speakeasy!

Just one thing I would like to comment on... When you spoke about the tsunami wiping people out.. you related that to "bad luck" ... But maybe moving on from THIS life as we know it is a blessing in a way? While to us it may seem like a disaster, maybe passing on will save those people a long life of worries and troubles of "humens".. Maybe they are in a much better and preferable place now?

The way we look at things that happen might be so ignorant... But fact is, is that we will never know for sure

Take for example people that get paralyzed.. This may be seen as one of the worst things that can happen to someone... but another person with a different perspective on the matter may say "but look, this person's purpose serves a much higher purpose than what we understand... maybe this person will be a "teacher" to people and make people appreciate being able to walk (where in the past they might have take it for granted).


If you think about it, most of the life lessons that we experience aren’t very pleasant while they occur, but in the future when we look back we are thankful that we were taught those valuable life lessons. And no teacher in this world can teach a lesson better than what life can

All in all I believe that we know nothing and that things are far from what they appear to be.. But since we probably wont ever know the true meaning/reason of things/life/occurrences, I guess we will just need to live life in the best way that we know, and can... And hope that we have chosen the right path...

 

[Capt.Jack Sparrow]

Maybe we just keep reincarnating forever. But since we have no recollection of past lives, we can keep being reborn for infinity and it's not like we'd know we've been around forever.

I was Gandhi in the past.

Before that, I was George Washington

AND BEFORE THAT I was Sir Lancelot

 

[bigjohnson]

My personal outlook on life is that Every single thing on this Earth is here for a reason. And everything that happens also happens for a reason.

And this belief is based on what? Good vibrations? Wishful thinking?

there are species on our own planet who survive without any sunlight whatsoever... life will go on without the sun, we just won't.

All life requires energy input, those sunless organisms also are fed directly or indirectly from some finite energy source - eventually it will all cool off and everything dies. Eventually the sun will cool and expand to engulf the earth - that will pretty much extingush everything here.

But we're talking billions of years, so no need to panic. Yet.

 

[Climax]

And this belief is based on what? Good vibrations? Wishful thinking?




All life requires energy input, those sunless organisms also are fed directly or indirectly from some finite energy source - eventually it will all cool off and everything dies. Eventually the sun will cool and expand to engulf the earth - that will pretty much extingush everything here.

But we're talking billions of years, so no need to panic. Yet.

This belief is just my opinion that I have collaborated after putting all that I know together and coming up with an opinion of my own. This is why I made this thread, and it seems you have missed the point of it. I'm not talking about whats going to happen to "Earth", its about you as a "being" and what people's perception is about our future after this life... :yes:

 

[bigjohnson]

This belief is just my opinion that I have collaborated .....

Collaborated how? If it's an opinion of your own how is it collaborated? Are you just putting random words together because you think they sound good?

EDIT:

That above is not bashing your belief, I'll get on that soon enough. I just want to know if your sloppy expressions are indicative of sloppy thought processes or if you're just into art.

 

[Climax]

bigjohnson: You are a perfect example, and reminder of why I stopped frequenting this site... *sigh* Here I am trying to have a mature discussion and you come here looking for fault in my grammar and hijack the thread with your unwanted hostility? Please, he day I care about what you think of my grammar or my opinion will never come, so go get off putting someone else down, cause it aint gonna work with me.

EDIT: I'm waiting for your "bashing" .. Lets see how much of a fool you are able to make of yourself this time...

 

[bigjohnson]

I'm not picking on your grammar. You said something (correctly, structurally speaking) that made no sense. A private view cannot be collaborated on, or it is no longer private. It's a fundamental logic flaw, not a language flaw.

Stop saying stupid things and I'll stop calling you on them.

Men use the power of logic and reason to create, children and women take in reason and churn out puppies, sunflowers and sunshine. Figuratively speaking. Literally they fail to use logic in a consistent manner, thus making a reasonable discussion a waste of time.


To the point: I asked what your beliefs are based on, and you came back with a complete bullsh*t answer. That's not hostile, it's just me noticing that you're flailing and pointing it out. If you have no reasons to back up your belief then fine, that's cool. Some full grown people believe in fairies.

But if you have some logic or argument behind your belief then stop tapdancing around and spit it out. That is also not hostile you see, it's a reasonable man asking a reasonable question hoping for a reasonable answer.

If you said "I think I'll be swimming in the stratosphere by this time next week" I'd similarly ask what your basis was, because I cannot imagine any substantive reason to expect that to happen. Not hostile.

EDIT:

After re-reading your previous post I realized you might have meant corroborated instead of collaborated, which almost makes sense in the context. Is that what happened?

 

[Climax]

this place still infested with idiots... pity.

I'm over these types of meaningless immature convo's. I make a thread for my own reasons and there always has to be some ego maniac that tries to sound clever and create arguments that are totally off the point. At least I know this place hasn’t changed much, unfortunately. My time on this thread has expired, and so has our conversation, ciao.