Where is the actual wall?

[EyeBRollin]

As a man who wants kids, 30+ was always a hard no. That’s the reproductive wall. Her eggs are all but spoiled by 35.

 

[MatureDJ]

Apparently it's 30 but I see women in their mid 30s who I would consider more attractive than many women in their early 20s. I even see pretty ladies in their 40s. I think the wall might be late 40s but my generation is full of surprises and maybe ten years from now a lot of 50 year old women will be hot. Where would you say the wall is or is that a myth/cope?

It's OVER for I'llJustWaitUntilWe'reAll40Cels.

 

[MatureDJ]

It’s mainly a cope for red pill bitter men and marketing tactic for red pill influencers like Rolo & Fresh & Fraud. For women the hard wall is menopause and for men like 45-50 but anyone can peak and decline at any point in your life.

THE WALL is 95% weight gain based. The best example of this are people that peaked in HS/College and gained a bunch of weight from lifestyle and now they look like complete dog shvt in their late twenties, and it compounds from then on. Even if a beautiful/fit woman hits menopause she can still find a Chad in his 40s-50s that doesn't want a kid.

I think that's more due to how naturally "fleshy" someone is, especially for women and male jocks. Women who developed nicely as a teen are beached whales while those that were underdeveloped & gawky then rock it later in life.

 

[Fruitbat]

It depends on the age of the dude too.

when I was in my 20s, I only found selective women attractive my own age.

Now I’ve just entered my 40s, near enough ALL women in their early 20s look amazing. Whereas quite a few women in their 40s now look good.

slowly, also, the acceptable age is rising. Girls now at 18-19 look like kids, I’m losing attraction to them because they just look like children. I think 25 is the prime age now, in my early 30s I still liked women 18-19

 

[BadBoy89]

Women in their mid 30s more attractive than early 20s? Bro, you must be trolling or high.

Women in their 20s are the most sexiest, fertile women ever. They are fresh and have tight bodies.

Women in mid-30s are NOT fresh, their have wrinkles and have been used up by the Alpha Dogs. They are almost MENOPAUSAL. It's freaking gross.

Worst debate ever.

 

[SW15]

It’s mainly a cope for red pill bitter men and marketing tactic for red pill influencers like Rolo & Fresh & Fraud.

I agree that it is a cope. Also, Rollo's SMV chart that shows men peaking around 35-40 isn't reality for most 35-40 year old men. Most 35-40 year old men are vagina beggars who settle for some mediocre/subpar women close to their own age.

Even if you accept the premise that men peak at 35-40, the typical 35-40 year old woman in the United States has more mating options than he has.

For women the hard wall is menopause and for men like 45-50 but anyone can peak and decline at any point in your life.

Even if a beautiful/fit woman hits menopause she can still find a Chad in his 40s-50s that doesn't want a kid.

A woman who is childless at 40+ isn't lacking for options. Women who are 45-59 with children over 18 who don't live at home also get a lot of attention from similarly aged men, often older beta males.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Also, Rollo's SMV chart that shows men peaking around 35-40 isn't reality for most 35-40 year old men. Most 35-40 year old men are vagina beggars who settle for some mediocre/subpar women close to their own age.

numbers wise men do peak at 35-40 but the vast majority of men peak during college or high school lol.

 

[SW15]

numbers wise men do peak at 35-40 but the vast majority of men peak during college or high school lol.

What do you mean by numbers wise?

Men can peak at 35-40 if many variables fall into place, which they don't for most men.

I'd say male peak in attracting women is somewhere around 18-26. When you're 18-26, you can attract 18-26 year olds more easily. The goal is to attract young women near their Peak SMV. The goal is not to be a 37 year old man with a 35 year old girlfriend.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

What do you mean by numbers wise?

Men can peak at 35-40 if many variables fall into place, which they don't for most men.

I'd say male peak in attracting women is somewhere around 18-26. When you're 18-26, you can attract 18-26 year olds more easily. The goal is to attract young women near their Peak SMV. The goal is not to be a 37 year old man with a 35 year old girlfriend.

Theoretically if a man a man will have a sufficient amount of money from his career or business (if he isn't a deadbeat) and be at the peak looks (if he takes care of himself)... A guy like this can easily attract a hot 27-30 year old. Again, this is a best-case scenario not normal routine case. Most men are bums and fat af by 28 lol. I also don't see the obsession with women under the age of 21 on this board lol. I will never entertain a person that cannot legally drink. My first GF was 18 when I was 25 and the maturity gap was terrible was then lol.

That's not true, men during college don't have money, and unless he's an outlier his body its not at his peak.

Unless his parents have a lot of money, he has his careers all figured out owning his parents business and all he does is hitting the gym. But those guys are extremely rare.

I don't disagree with you, but the majority men are fat NPC losers that waste their potential. All they do is watch football, drink, eat like shvt, and work a dead-end job. The most productive things they do are contribute to a 401k or save up for a house/truck lol.

 

[DoubleBarrel]

One poster in particular keeps harping on how non-virgins are "disgusting."

That's gotta be @Zimbabwe, right? The guy's so self-righteous and filled to the brim with his own sense of over-inflated value and importance. I bet his attitude towards women makes them run for the hills.

 

[Zimbabwe]

That's gotta be @Zimbabwe, right? The guy's so self-righteous and filled to the brim with his own sense of over-inflated value and importance. I bet his attitude towards women makes them run for the hills.

Looks like we found captain of the simp brigade

 

[DoubleBarrel]

Looks like we found captain of the simp brigade

Hey, that's me! Thanks for giving me recognition.

 

[Smok1nAce]

the wall is just a theroy.

we dont know if it actually exist.

only because its mostly based of looks and that is mostly opinionated.

the most important thing is what is the wall means to you, do you find women in their late teens or early 30s to be more attractive? Do you like you woman 90lb, a little thick or with a gut? Do you prefer a woman with 3 sexual partners of 30+? its all subjective.

I have different experiences then you but from mine some women hit the wall as early as 18 and earlier. Ive dated women when i was 16 and even at 16 she was becoming less attractive, jaded and bitter. In my opinion woman hit their attractive peak at 18 and from then on its if they can hold it or not. Theirs a reason why they have makeup.

My biggest indicator of a women who has hit the wall or not is mostly dependent on her weight. Most 30 year old woman are still attractive is they are still in good shape.

And the biggest indicator a man has hit a wall is if hes dating or sleeping with an unattractive woman. In general a man should never sleep with a unattractive woman, let alone waste his previous time with them.

but to be honest wasting time thinking about a "wall" is just mental masterbation beacuse it dosent mean anything.

 

[RickTheToad]

As a man who wants kids, 30+ was always a hard no. That’s the reproductive wall. Her eggs are all but spoiled by 35.

You'd be amazed if a Female freezes her eggs prior to 35, IVF has a good success rate for 10 years or so. Plus, the docs can remove some mutations or radical genes. However, many females don't think that far in advance in order to do so.

 

[2Rocky]

I don't think there is a static age barrier for men or women. To me it seems more like a bullet trajectory for both sexes.
A combination of age looks, genetics, money and environment/experience.

Some people shoot high early and come down just as fast (a), others go further and flatter (b) , while some don't have much velocity and drop off early (c). eg:
a- early developing high school girl who becomes obese at 25
b- athletic slender women who grow up in affluent lifestyles, have good cash flow and take care of themselves
c- White trash smoker who works outside and has horrible health habits.

 

[Fruitbat]

What do you mean by numbers wise?

Men can peak at 35-40 if many variables fall into place, which they don't for most men.

I'd say male peak in attracting women is somewhere around 18-26. When you're 18-26, you can attract 18-26 year olds more easily. The goal is to attract young women near their Peak SMV. The goal is not to be a 37 year old man with a 35 year old girlfriend.

i can’t speak for others, but I struggled despite being lean and attractive in my 20s.

in my 30s I had lots of money and the pvssy started rolling in.

However, I did note some of my friends went off travelling in 20s and did great.

it’s a certain type of girl. The same girls who are off banging dudes plenty in their 20s are the wailing wall hitters in their 30s.

plenty of women in their 20s just aren’t in to the carousel and naturally gravitate towards guys 5-10 years older.

in their 20s most guys are immature, emotional and broke. The guys who aren’t this in their 20s have a great time.

I scored a lot of carusel riders in their 30s in my 20s, and girls in their 20s in my 30s

 

[LucianoM]

No wall for women imo.

 

[The Duke]

My mom's 70yo friend still gets hit on. So where is the wall? It's relative to a bunch of factors. Def not black and white. Life will show you this if you participate.

 

[nismo-4]

It varies by woman but it's mainly a myth.

Seconded. If the wall means the woman can't get a date or sex or male attention, then hell no. But if you ask does the wall exist for relationships and marriage? Or with Chad and Tyrone instead of with Bob and John? Then yes, THAT wall exists.

Ever watched My 600 pound life? The women are always married or have a BF supporting them. Guys however, are mostly alone or virgins.

Women past 70 can still get laid easily. Most men past 70 can't get laid let alone a date (barring tricking and simping) within 1 month of trying.

Put these same women on dating apps and social media. Hell, some women north of 60 have Onlyfans and some are still immature like they're teenagers. But they love all that free attention and food that men provide!

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Apparently it's 30 but I see women in their mid 30s who I would consider more attractive than many women in their early 20s. I even see pretty ladies in their 40s. I think the wall might be late 40s but my generation is full of surprises and maybe ten years from now a lot of 50 year old women will be hot. Where would you say the wall is or is that a myth/cope?

No wall for me. 18-80.