Where have all the men gone?!

[Urbanyst]

Some good points made on this thread and some comments about Obama and Alpha males which don't seem to jive.

I think women routinely complain about men because they don't really know what they want. If a women is reasonably attractive in their 30s, and hasn't been able to hold down a steady boyfriend, its likely their own choosing. The women in their 30s who claim to be educated or whatever don't seem to care about the same in men. When you talk to them and try to figure out what they are looking for, its a canned response. They don't know because you can look back to examples of how they have dated something other than what they claim they want.

One thing I have found in my area with the women I date is a lack of responsibility and ownership. Simply put, they never assume responsibility for anything. They believe the world owes them something, and have no qualms doing to someone something that would be inexcusable if the shoe was on the other foot. They are childish in their 20s, and even 30s only to wonder where the men have gone too when they can no longer rely on their looks to get men of any type of caliber. Mind you this is a sample set in a small part of the country consisting of only single women. But again, when a statement like 'where have all the good men gone?" presupposes that they don't exist, which is false. These women focus on themselves, and not the actual content of the men they date whereupon they will always be disappointed because their prospective husband doesn't drive a bugatti or run a hedge fund.

To the women who take this view (I know its not all of you):

Take some ****ing ownership for a change. Be datable. Date the right type of men. Be realistic. You want equal rights, how about assuming an equal share of the responsibility. High quality men work their asses off and have endured rejection in every walk of life from jobs, to promotions, or dating. Being overweight, boring, or pedantic is a turn off. Just because you are a women doesn't automatically command respect. Earn it like the rest of us, and maybe you'll get some respect when it comes to dating.

The good guys aren't gone, you aren't into them. And perhaps, they also aren't into you.

-Love Synergy
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I don't know if I agree that women don't know what they want. I think women are just very concerned with image and social status. What they want and what is socially acceptable might not be the same thing. Women have a harder time when they don't fit in socially than men do.

Imagine Ivanka Trump dating a black rapper. She would get so much crap it wouldn't be worth it. But if she was mostly attracted to black rappers over other types of men, she would have a hard time finding a man she wants, because the socially acceptable men might not turn her on. But the men who turn her on might not be socially acceptable.

A perfect world for women is finding a man who turns them on and is socially acceptable at the same time. This is what is so hard for them to find and in many cases its impossible. But most high status women will go with the socially acceptable man and be miserable rather than go with the man they actually want and have to deal with all the crap from their friends, family and society.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Brace yourself march 8th is coming...

 

[backbreaker]

So....you're basically saying women are idiots. Im not saying I disagree. Just making sure

 

[MrAddiction]

Ask them why they are ready to spend their monthly salary for the new model of a bag while they wont use an old model one even if they got it for free.

Now tell them that the old model has been used and is kinda ruined yet costs as much as the new one if not more...then ask them again the first question.

It's all and only just about how it (you, things, whatsoever) makes them feel.

That whole quoted statement in the interview is bull**** from a redpill view.
I even could bot make it to read that whole article.
In one thing he is right but coming from Wrong premisses. The advice to go for educated nerds makes sense even in a redpill view. Technerds most of the Time are easy targets, lacking in options, and because of scarcitiy they will be wiling to fullfill the girls needs and jump willingly into marriage. Good luck.

Another thing that author seems to state a correlation between educated men and their willingness to marry. That is just ridiculous. Or did I get it Wrong?

As an educated man myself I would much more state that is hard to find a well educated girl that is good looking! To be true what are we guys After? A good looking or a good educated Girl? I can read a book for good education but I can not accept a bad looking girl. Truth is unfortunately that the higher educated the Girls are the less good looking they are. So you have to decide what is more important to you looks or education. For me definately not the latter. And so think thats the way to go for most guys.

This whole article screams femcentrism and mangina.
I Wonder if the Same Publisher would publish a book a man asking from a redpill perspective "where have all the women gone?" I would start that book by answering the above question: "Where have all the men gone." - "they all took the redpill, and are no longer willing to suffocate"
My guess: this Book would never be published. Sad but true.

 

[MrAddiction]

The only answer I can find within myself is the idea that, for some reason, females are led to think "if he really loves me, he will change for me" and the other tried and true one (sarcasm) "Ill make him love me so he will want to change".

In think you are spot on here. And there lies the problem, the way society educated. Women are "told" men would Chance for them. And men are expacted to to anything for a women. But forget if you forget about what society tells. How selfish is any view that says: If he really loves ME he will change for me. Or: I will make him love me and he will want to change for ME.
I agree that this is the way a lots of girls - or all - think. But what if a man turns it around and says: if she really loves ME, she will not change; if she loves ME she will fullfill my needs; if she loves ME she will Love me the way I am.
A man claiming the above is either a selfish a hole or just ridiculous. Sad world.
A Woman on the other hand is doing nothing wrong by behaving in is manor. She even gets rewarded. Cause it just is the way things are to be.

 

[sazc]

In think you are spot on here. And there lies the problem, the way society educated. Women are "told" men would Chance for them. And men are expacted to to anything for a women. But forget if you forget about what society tells. How selfish is any view that says: If he really loves ME he will change for me. Or: I will make him love me and he will want to change for ME.
I agree that this is the way a lots of girls - or all - think. But what if a man turns it around and says: if she really loves ME, she will not change; if she loves ME she will fullfill my needs; if she loves ME she will Love me the way I am.
A man claiming the above is either a selfish a hole or just ridiculous. Sad world.
A Woman on the other hand is doing nothing wrong by behaving in is manor. She even gets rewarded. Cause it just is the way things are to be.

I've tried to figure out when/how that particular message was delivered to me, but I cant put my finger on it. Maybe it was the Disney/price charming thing?

I think the biggest issue is that we are not being coached to look for people that we have things in common with. Imagine if you had grown up and only heard "look for someone who meets your needs as they are, someone who you click with and someone whom you have common interests, likes and dislikes with. If you decide to partner up with someone who isnt all these things, the relationship will be a struggle. Better to find someone who is like minded"

And, in your head and heart, that was the type of person you looked for. Once you found them, for the most part, the relationship would be peaceful and harmonious - it would definitely tend towards that.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

And there lies the problem, the way society educated. Women are "told" men would Chance for them. And men are expacted to to anything for a women.

I don't believe the "society programming" bit for a second. Humans aren't empty vessels that are filled with whatever society wants to fill them with and mindlessly act accordingly.

Humans are animals that are driven by instincts. And all animals are programmed to get whatever they can for the least amount of effort.

Any female that's not socially retarded AND decently attractive will have tons of EXPERIENCE of guys bending over backwards to please her, so that's she expects, and most of the time, that's what she gets.

Most guys are undersexed goofs who'll do anything to stay in a women's good graces, especially if they've had sex a few times.

It's got nothing to do with how he was raised, or what he was taught, or any other nonsense.

99% of guys have been undersexed since the dawn of time, and will always be that way.

 

[MrAddiction]

I've tried to figure out when/how that particular message was delivered to me, but I cant put my finger on it. Maybe it was the Disney/price charming thing?

I think the biggest issue is that we are not being coached to look for people that we have things in common with. Imagine if you had grown up and only heard "look for someone who meets your needs as they are, someone who you click with and someone whom you have common interests, likes and dislikes with. If you decide to partner up with someone who isnt all these things, the relationship will be a struggle. Better to find someone who is like minded"

And, in your head and heart, that was the type of person you looked for. Once you found them, for the most part, the relationship would be peaceful and harmonious - it would definitely tend towards that.

Yes, but without matching my needs in looks that would all be nothing. I personaly could not wake up every Morning beside my what you describe perfect partner, that looks ugly in my percetion.

 

[MrAddiction]

Any female that's not socially retarded AND decently attractive will have tons of EXPERIENCE of guys bending over backwards to please her, so that's she expects, and most of the time, that's what she gets.

Most guys are undersexed goofs who'll do anything to stay in a women's good graces, especially if they've had sex a few times.

It's got nothing to do with how he was raised, or what he was taught, or any other nonsense.

99% of guys have been undersexed since the dawn of time, and will always be that way.

I definately agree to that. And that is the way society is. So I see no disagreement between our both statements. It's more what was first: the egg or the henn.