Where are some good cities to live in the USA for single guys?

[Jesse Pinkman]

I can speak to Miami and to a degree Ft. Lauderdale as someone that lives in South Florida. In my honest opinion, do not even bother coming down here. People are moving here in droves which means that the rent is now one of the highest in the entire country, even rivaling LA. Second, the nightlife here is not conductive to meeting women or people in general, it is designed to price gouge the heck out of you. Everyone either goes to ungodly loud nightclubs where you cannot hear a thing or places where everyone is sitting at a table/restaurant style.

You may think that day game could help and to a degree it does but the women here are far more rude, arrogant, and stuck up than the women you will meet in any other major city. Literally every girl you try to approach has been hit on by 8 other guys and some have had it, not even wanting to be bothered by the next PUA/PUA Bootcamp Student/Day game practitioner running game on them. You need to have a really thick skin and then deal with the abnormally high flake rates because the only thing more Miami than Don Shula himself is the art of flaking.

Miami's nightlife also doesn't start till midnight and end till 6 AM. Have fun trying to be productive.

The problem is that now, after the pandemic, literally every dude has flooded into Miami to run game which has made the ratios quite wacky. Women are more defensive as a result and can sniff out your typical tech bro or finance bro learning pickup and trying to practice game. If you are posting on here asking for advice, I guarantee they will label you as that rather than some natural.

While I have had success in Miami, I owe that to having a lot of persistence, a thick skin, a great gameplan, and meeting people who were connected to the nightlife in the city. Most other guys, including those I wing with, are struggling like no tomorrow. Miami is a miserable place for game and I would not tell any guy to come here if getting laid is at the top of their list. I have family matters, friendships, and other things keeping me in the city for a bit but if that was not the case, I'd bounce to NYC, Chicago, or Minneapolis in a heartbeat.

Far nicer women, far better nightlife, far friendlier culture, and way more game friendly.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Since you seem to have the best grasp on all this so far, it sounds like Tempe and Miami would be the 2 best contenders.

You said you don't have personal experience with Miami but if I were to visit Tempe where should I stay/go out in order to get the best feel of what it would be like to live there?

Mill Ave in Tempe. Old Town Scottsdale is close to that (about 3 miles) it's a slightly older, status-conscious crowd. Downtown Phoenix around Roosevelt and Central is good too, but it's more of a progressive crowd.

 

[member160292]

There are a lot of women who are indeed into military men, and their presence makes the civilian men more supplicative and desperate. If you're a civilian guy, often you will find the women who are into military men to be unreasonably difficult, making them over-attentive to the women who don't like military men.

In other words, basic supply and demand with sub-market spillover.

This goes for all military-heavy cities (San Diego, San Antonio, Norfolk, Fayetteville, etc)

Just....no

 

[BPH]

While married people outnumbers singles nationwide, in about 27 states single adults make up the majority of the population.

Unsurprisingly, residents of college towns are especially likely to be single, while people in heavily Mormon parts of Utah and Idaho tend to be coupled up. The chart below considers a larger range of Americans than Soma's chart does, as it starts from the age of 16:

The issue I find with some of the information when presented like this isn't just which metros have the MOST single women, but also attractive women. I know metros will have plenty in either case, but I thought it was funny because when I first started searching for the best places for singles, the number one spot was Orlando, FL...I got a nice chuckle out of that because I know that's generally a retiree area and I'm sure windows and widowers are considered "single".

Look at the point @2Rocky is making about sausage fests. Most U.S. metros have excess single males and Phoenix is no different. Why uproot your entire life to go to an area with more men than women?

Well for starters...I live in f***ing Delaware...I'm not uprooting much. I just want to know where I might want to go WHEN I uproot so it's no longer an issue of "if", as I'm not getting any younger.

Also, I thought we were talking about Tempe, why was Phoenix mentioned?

There are a lot of women who are indeed into military men

Yeah, I'm not really interested in SD or California as a whole, but I understand your point. I spent 2 years at UNCW and among the many things that were different for me as a northerner, there were plenty of women who either loved or hated the high concentration of militarymen in the area.

 

[BPH]

You may think that day game could help and to a degree it does but the women here are far more rude, arrogant, and stuck up than the women you will meet in any other major city. Literally every girl you try to approach has been hit on by 8 other guys and some have had it, not even wanting to be bothered by the next PUA/PUA Bootcamp Student/Day game practitioner running game on them. You need to have a really thick skin and then deal with the abnormally high flake rates because the only thing more Miami than Don Shula himself is the art of flaking.

Miami's nightlife also doesn't start till midnight and end till 6 AM. Have fun trying to be productive.

The problem is that now, after the pandemic, literally every dude has flooded into Miami to run game which has made the ratios quite wacky. Women are more defensive as a result and can sniff out your typical tech bro or finance bro learning pickup and trying to practice game. If you are posting on here asking for advice, I guarantee they will label you as that rather than some natural.

Far nicer women, far better nightlife, far friendlier culture, and way more game friendly.

I would consider myself a natural at this point. I have my weak points sure, but everything flows naturally and I'm not using canned approaches or thinking about the material in my head. The point being: I'm not a pickup bro, I'm just interested in Miami because it's closer than AZ or CA, nicer weather with prettier women than NY, and I want to get the hell out of where I'm at.

My skin is incredibly thick so I don't mind all that, the issue you raise with the increase in the cost of living might be problematic...but if there are as many beautiful women and the weather is as nice as advertised then I don't see too many negatives. The late nightlife I would see as a pro...being from Delaware our nightlife starts at like 10:30 or 11 and is over by 1AM...2AM if I go to Philly/Ocean City.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I would consider myself a natural at this point. I have my weak points sure, but everything flows naturally and I'm not using canned approaches or thinking about the material in my head. The point being: I'm not a pickup bro, I'm just interested in Miami because it's closer than AZ or CA, nicer weather with prettier women than NY, and I want to get the hell out of where I'm at.

My skin is incredibly thick so I don't mind all that, the issue you raise with the increase in the cost of living might be problematic...but if there are as many beautiful women and the weather is as nice as advertised then I don't see too many negatives. The late nightlife I would see as a pro...being from Delaware our nightlife starts at like 10:30 or 11 and is over by 1AM...2AM if I go to Philly/Ocean City.

So it seems like you have already made up your mind, perhaps well before even posting this thread. With that being the case, why even bother posting this thread and wasting everyone's time asking for opinions if you already have your mind made up?

Pack your stuff up, move to Miami, and if you like it then great share your stories. If you hate it, then hey we tried telling you.

I don't get the point of this thread now.

 

[SW15]

Well for starters...I live in f***ing Delaware...I'm not uprooting much. I just want to know where I might want to go WHEN I uproot so it's no longer an issue of "if", as I'm not getting any younger.

Also, I thought we were talking about Tempe, why was Phoenix mentioned?

Tempe is a suburb of Phoenix. That's why it was mentioned. Delaware has a population of nearly 1 million people, so it has sufficient population for mating purposes. The whole state is so small that you can date anyone in Delaware.

I can speak to Miami....

Much of what you said about Miami could be said about Dallas. Too many people are moving to Dallas and all of Texas. Rents have gotten ridiculous in Dallas.

You need a thick skin here to deal with bad female attitudes and there's a lot of flaking here.

The main difference is that the PUA bootcamps don't come to Dallas. AG Hayden said that he prefers hosting bootcamps in Austin over Dallas.

Fort Worth and Houston are better big city mating environments in Texas than Dallas due to better female attitudes. San Antonio is even friendlier too. San Antonio has the military issue similar to San Diego.

Dallas has an excess of single men problem too.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Just....no

You can have the sausagefests all to yourself. Enjoy.

 

[Mazer]

New York City.

This and only this. Lol

 

[SMU Brah]

I'm from Dallas, as probably is apparent. I've partied a bit in Dallas and Austin and can give you some perspective on both.

Dallas is easily the most stuck up city in Texas or the South/Southwest; it's LA East. Very materialist and lots of old money in Dallas. There is a deluge of people fleeing from NY and Cali coming to Texas, and they're not good cultural fit for Texas- they kill the vibe. Rents have shot up, housing stock is low, the economy is good-- but dallas has always been one of my least favorite places in the US. Suburbs in Dallas suck for game, and if you're to move to Dallas, you have to live as close to the center as possible; for reference, all the best action in Dallas is in Uptown, or off Central Expressway (Knox-Henderson, Greenville). I love the size of Dallas, but networking in Dallas sucks because of old boy networks and people hanging out with old sorority/frat buddies. You don't have this with the out of towners, but they always seem transient and have weak friend groups.

Austin is a nice place to live, but has much worse growth, out-of-towner problems than Dallas. Leftie city; the most leftie city in Texas. Tons of SF tech bros, and feminists. Austin has a cool night scene, but it's B-Tier in Texas in terms of size and options. The only two truly "large" TX cities are Dallas and Austin. Respectively, I believe they are the fourth and fifth biggest metro areas in the US ~10million people each.

You will not be disappointed with women in Dallas, but you might hate the materalist, stuck up vibes. Also a place in terms of logistics where you can't be living on the periphery or suburbs. It will kill your game before you even get started.

 

[BPH]

So it seems like you have already made up your mind, perhaps well before even posting this thread. With that being the case, why even bother posting this thread and wasting everyone's time asking for opinions if you already have your mind made up?

Pack your stuff up, move to Miami, and if you like it then great share your stories. If you hate it, then hey we tried telling you.

I don't get the point of this thread now.

I had an idea of where I wanted to go and wanted confirmation and opinions on places I hadn't considered. I don't think it's a waste of time getting opinions from people who have lived in these areas while offering their own.

Superficiality, needing thick skin, etc are non-issues to me as long as there's a good nightlife and caliber of women in terms of attractiveness.

Tempe is a suburb of Phoenix. That's why it was mentioned. Delaware has a population of nearly 1 million people, so it has sufficient population for mating purposes. The whole state is so small that you can date anyone in Delaware.

Why do you keep saying "mating" rather than "dating"? Delaware's population is not attractive, in general, and you must travel pretty great distances to go somewhere fun that those people will be. When I ask people who have been to Delaware where they've gone their answer is usually "oh I just drove through it".

This and only this. Lol

From the few times I've visited my brother in NY I wasn't impressed. Like I said I'm sure there's plenty of attractive women but there's also a sh**load of everbody else too. The way I describe its appearance is like Philadelphia but with white people. Maybe I need to visit more often and take a look at the nightlife, but I was not a fan...especially considering the cost to have a sub-par night out.

I'm from Dallas, as probably is apparent. I've partied a bit in Dallas and Austin and can give you some perspective on both.

Dallas is easily the most stuck up city in Texas or the South/Southwest; it's LA East. Very materialist and lots of old money in Dallas. There is a deluge of people fleeing from NY and Cali coming to Texas, and they're not good cultural fit for Texas- they kill the vibe. Rents have shot up, housing stock is low, the economy is good-- but dallas has always been one of my least favorite places in the US. Suburbs in Dallas suck for game, and if you're to move to Dallas, you have to live as close to the center as possible; for reference, all the best action in Dallas is in Uptown, or off Central Expressway (Knox-Henderson, Greenville). I love the size of Dallas, but networking in Dallas sucks because of old boy networks and people hanging out with old sorority/frat buddies. You don't have this with the out of towners, but they always seem transient and have weak friend groups.

Austin is a nice place to live, but has much worse growth, out-of-towner problems than Dallas. Leftie city; the most leftie city in Texas. Tons of SF tech bros, and feminists. Austin has a cool night scene, but it's B-Tier in Texas in terms of size and options. The only two truly "large" TX cities are Dallas and Austin. Respectively, I believe they are the fourth and fifth biggest metro areas in the US ~10million people each.

You will not be disappointed with women in Dallas, but you might hate the materalist, stuck up vibes. Also a place in terms of logistics where you can't be living on the periphery or suburbs. It will kill your game before you even get started.

Yeah not particularly interested in Texas as a whole. Nothing really draws me to it and the way people have been describing the women and nightlife it sounds like it has quite a few cons.

 

[SW15]

Dallas is easily the most stuck up city in Texas or the South/Southwest; it's LA East. Very materialist and lots of old money in Dallas.

You will not be disappointed with women in Dallas, but you might hate the materalist, stuck up vibes.

That has been my experience with Dallas as someone who was a transplant to the city in my late 20s.

There is a Dallas thread and you could add a lot to it.

Observations on Dallas' Scene

Based on @Jesse Pinkman's write ups of New York City, Miami, and large state universities, I thought it would be worthwhile to write up Dallas, the city I call home. The Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area (DFW) is the 4th most populated metropolitan area in the United States. Dallas and Fort...

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There is a deluge of people fleeing from NY and Cali coming to Texas, and they're not good cultural fit for Texas- they kill the vibe. Rents have shot up, housing stock is low, the economy is good-- but dallas has always been one of my least favorite places in the US.

All true.

if you're to move to Dallas, you have to live as close to the center as possible; for reference, all the best action in Dallas is in Uptown, or off Central Expressway (Knox-Henderson, Greenville).

Agree. I have done this in my decade + in Dallas. Uptown has gone downhill since about 2016. Knox-Henderson and Upper/Lower Greenville have been relative constants in my time here.

I love the size of Dallas, but networking in Dallas sucks because of old boy networks and people hanging out with old sorority/frat buddies.

You don't have this with the out of towners, but they always seem transient and have weak friend groups.

I could never break into the good social circles in Dallas. I covered this in my first post in the Dallas thread. I became friends with other transplanted adults, which is quite typical of those in their 20s in Dallas and new to the city.

Suburbs in Dallas suck for game....Also a place in terms of logistics where you can't be living on the periphery or suburbs. It will kill your game before you even get started.

I agree. I still wouldn't do Shops of Legacy/Legacy West in Plano, though there's some hype that it is viable for singles. Addison has never impressed me either though there has always been some amount of a scene there. Both Addison and Plano aren't nearly as good as the centralized neighborhoods in Dallas.

not particularly interested in Texas as a whole. Nothing really draws me to it and the way people have been describing the women and nightlife it sounds like it has quite a few cons.

It's not a great place to move to just for addressing elements of your woman life. People tend to move here for less expensive housing than the coasts. The big Texas metros have decent employment environments but a bit overhyped.

 

[SMU Brah]

That has been my experience with Dallas as someone who was a transplant to the city in my late 20s.

There is a Dallas thread and you could add a lot to it.

Observations on Dallas' Scene

Based on @Jesse Pinkman's write ups of New York City, Miami, and large state universities, I thought it would be worthwhile to write up Dallas, the city I call home. The Dallas-Fort Worth metropolitan area (DFW) is the 4th most populated metropolitan area in the United States. Dallas and Fort...

www.sosuave.net

All true.



Agree. I have done this in my decade + in Dallas. Uptown has gone downhill since about 2016. Knox-Henderson and Upper/Lower Greenville have been relative constants in my time here.



I could never break into the good social circles in Dallas. I covered this in my first post in the Dallas thread. I became friends with other transplanted adults, which is quite typical of those in their 20s in Dallas and new to the city.



I agree. I still wouldn't do Shops of Legacy/Legacy West in Plano, though there's some hype that it is viable for singles. Addison has never impressed me either though there has always been some amount of a scene there. Both Addison and Plano aren't nearly as good as the centralized neighborhoods in Dallas.



It's not a great place to move to just for addressing elements of your woman life. People tend to move here for less expensive housing than the coasts. The big Texas metros have decent employment environments but a bit overhyped.

Not sure how much I can add re: Dallas. Been years since I lived there. I used to be involved in the nightlife scene, and as my handle indicates I can tell you about how SMU students act and party. SMU is it's own world in Dallas unfortunately.

I can say for those interested that Uptown indeed declined, Katy Trail is one of the best places for pickup, North Park as well. The nightlife scene generally sucks so it's best to befriend people in service/ nightlife industries to get inside scoops on best regarded bars and nightlife events, as well as clubs. Pure 'clubbing' in dallas will always let you down, it's not NYC, Miami or Vegas. It's best to cast a wide net in terms of networking/ dating in Dallas, and feel out the people that have a positive, non-stuck up vibe, and be open to new experiences (specifically hanging out with all the different ethnicities, hipsters, cokeheads, frat bros, transplants, social butterflies, etc). Most people in Dallas stick to one stale friend group/ dating pool that is stale, unoriginal and hesitant to take risks, try new things.

 

[SW15]

Not sure how much I can add re: Dallas. Been years since I lived there. I used to be involved in the nightlife scene, and as my handle indicates I can tell you about how SMU students act and party. SMU is it's own world in Dallas unfortunately.

SMU has essentially been a non-factor in my Dallas experience. I got here in my late 20s and am now in my late 30s. Over the years, I haven't ran into too many SMU students during non-bar and bar approaching. I did one on-campus approach session after I had turned 30. I did not arrange any dates in that approach session. I haven't had a lot of time to do approach sessions on-campus Mon-Fri over the years. Weekends are generally the times when I can do approach sessions but I don't think the campus on the weekends during the day is my best approaching option. I am late 30s now.

The nightlife scene generally sucks so it's best to befriend people in service/ nightlife industries to get inside scoops on best regarded bars and nightlife events, as well as clubs. Pure 'clubbing' in dallas will always let you down, it's not NYC, Miami or Vegas.

It's interesting that in this thread, @Jesse Pinkman has said Miami's nightlife stinks and you say Dallas' stinks. Over the years, I have not had the greatest experiences in Dallas nightlife either. In my experience, Dallas has more bars than pure nightclubs. Very few places in Dallas have cover charges, which is good. Early in my Dallas tenure, I began to focus on non-bar approaching. If the nightlife scene "generally sucks", then it would seem like I made the correct decision. Additionally, my personality isn't geared towards nightlife as I've never liked staying up rather late into nights.

I can say for those interested that Uptown indeed declined, Katy Trail is one of the best places for pickup, North Park as well.

I have done the Katy Trail for pickup. There's certainly sufficient foot traffic there, which is its greatest selling point. Getting attention can be challenging. Most women wear earbuds if alone on Katy. Also, there's a case to be made that it is game saturated at this point.

Northpark Center is probably the best mall for pickup. I found mall game more difficult than any other venues. Perhaps that's specific to me, but I have arranged more dates in grocery stores than in malls.

Most people in Dallas stick to one stale friend group/ dating pool that is stale, unoriginal and hesitant to take risks, try new things.

I have been guilty of this to an extent. However, as most of my friend group is married and in LTRs, I've been more of a lone wolf sigma male, explaining my avatar here.

It's best to cast a wide net in terms of networking/ dating in Dallas, and feel out the people that have a positive, non-stuck up vibe, and be open to new experiences (specifically hanging out with all the different ethnicities, hipsters, cokeheads, frat bros, transplants, social butterflies, etc).

It's best to find areas of Dallas that aren't stuck up.

In terms of non-bar approaching, one other issue with the Katy Trail is that it is near the area of Dallas with the most stuck up people. White Rock Lake is a little bit better than Katy in terms of fewer pretentious people, but White Rock Lake skews a bit older. Sometimes it is difficult to find under 35-40 year olds around the path of White Rock Lake. Although White Rock Lake isn't far from the Dallas neighborhoods with singles, its immediate vicinity is single family, older stock suburban housing.

For nightlife, Uptown used to be the center of pretentious behavior but it has has gone downhill in the last 5-7 years. Uptown night spots were filled with pretentious behavior in the 2010-2016 era. Meeting women a bit off the beaten path has always been a good idea in Dallas due to the pretention and superficiality in the city's mating environment. Henderson Ave bars (that's part of Knox-Henderson) used to be a little less pretentious than Uptown, though they used to skew older. Lower Greenville is a bit less pretentious than Uptown and even Deep Ellum have been. Lower Greenville has been a bit of a constant in my decade + here. Not the coolest, never a bad place to avoid.

 

[EyeBRollin]

From the few times I've visited my brother in NY I wasn't impressed. Like I said I'm sure there's plenty of attractive women but there's also a sh**load of everbody else too. The way I describe its appearance is like Philadelphia but with white people.

My god man New York City is nothing like Philadelphia.

 

[BPH]

My god man New York City is nothing like Philadelphia.

If you've got suggestions on where to go out there I'd be happy to be proven wrong.