When you start to look aged

[user43770]

It takes a lot of effort, and I'm not saying that it's actually worth it, just that it's possible. Depends on how bad you want it, I guess.

 

[zekko]

I think men underrate other men and overrate the women and themselves.

Here's something Stagger said in this thread that I agree with. I do think men tend to underrate other men. Part of this is simply because we don't find masculine features attractive - we find feminine features attractive. And part of it is because as men, we are wired to compete for the females. And as such, we tend to overrate our own physical attractiveness because we are the ones who initiate.

This "delusional self confidence" helps give us the courage to approach. We tend to believe that our mating dance is better than the other guy's, otherwise why would we bother? It's all engineered for greater survival of the species, and our own DNA.

As for overrating other women, you can see that on this forum. Because every other guy is dating an HB9 or 10, lol. Anyway, overrating a woman is the result of finding her desirable. Again, this helps encourage mating, and the species becomes more likely to survive.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Here's something Stagger said in this thread that I agree with. I do think men tend to underrate other men. Part of this is simply because we don't find masculine features attractive - we find feminine features attractive. And part of it is because as men, we are wired to compete for the females. And as such, we tend to overrate our own physical attractiveness because we are the ones who initiate.

This "delusional self confidence" helps give us the courage to approach. We tend to believe that our mating dance is better than the other guy's, otherwise why would we bother? It's all engineered for greater survival of the species, and our own DNA.

As for overrating other women, you can see that on this forum. Because every other guy is dating an HB9 or 10, lol. Anyway, overrating a woman is the result of finding her desirable. Again, this helps encourage mating, and the species becomes more likely to survive.

Totally agree, well said zekko. And when you consider women have long hair, make up and heels and other flattering clothing it furthers the illusion. Even the playing field hair tied up, no make up and flat footwear or bare foot and no shape flattering clothing many women would drop 2 points. Most men aren't dating up at all. As men we just don't find other men attractive and deduct a couple points from them. We find the woman attractive and add a couple points. We tend to favor our own looks and add a point or two to ourselves. I sometimes think I see mismatches in a guys favor but when I look closer and think about it there isn't one.

I do believe that women don't always go for or stay with the best looking guys they could get. It's hard to know the whole story. My main point is your looks and age is a big factor in attracting women and if you are having consistent problems attracting women then you likely have a physical attractiveness problem.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I do better with women in person then online, online I barely get any play compared to when I go out.

As for the topic of this site, I know plenty of women in their 20s (I am 30) who love older men. Majority of them do actually. You hear them talk about it when one walks by or catches their eye. When they see guys their age they are usually like "ehhh he's cute, BUTTTT" insert blah blah blah.

I am 30, luckily for me I can pass for 16-20 years old. I have no wrinkles and my face is not sagging. I use organic virgin coconut oil on my face or shea butter, but even with out it I didn't have wrinkles whereas compared to my friends in the same age group were looking older by 24 already and now look like they are in their mid to late 30s. With that said I am far from perfect, I am losing my hair.....it bothered me for a while, but I have the chrome dome and I have the vin diesal look so I just shave it low and I still pick up decent looking chicks. One of my other guys is bald and he picks up some hotties!

 

[Pandora]

You insult me but you would be laughed at by young even pre-menopausal women in bars. I've been out picking up for many years and pulled many chicks in the past and never saw older guys get anywhere. But on this site older guys are just beating off younger women or so they claim. I don't buy it and if you actually go out and pick up women you know it doesn't happen. There's too much ego, disrespect and dishonesty on this forum. The site is not 'redpill' about the importance of men's looks, appearance and age. That's the pill many can't swallow. I'll leave you gentlemen to your bragging.

hahah we consistently get on women about being delusional but yet many men on this site do the same thing. They are delusional that looks dont matter. They keep parroting this idea that younger chicks automatically find older men sexy regardless of looking older. This is false!!!!

Age is important if you are an average guy. Yes its not important if you are the club owner! Yes is not important if you have massive status points. But if you are a regular guy then looks and age are important. I am 30 but i look 25. I have had young hot women reject me once they find out my age. They will constantly make jokes about me being too old. This is even as they are on a date with me or in my room. Its a minority but it still happens. Hot girls have the SMV to be ridiculously picky in their dating choices. They can reject a guy if their shoes dont match etc.

Once you get the grey hair in your mid 30's its pretty much a wrap for the 21 yr olds. Lets not be like the delusional cougars who think they are still valuable. Everything must come to an end sometime. How many older guys do you see with hot 21 yr olds? Not many at all. Maybe when ur 35 you can still pull 26 + year old girls but not the 21 yr olds. They are so in demand its ridiculous.

 

[Pandora]

Age isn't that important. Not sure what the source of your problems are, Stagger, but I doubt that they are fully connected with age. Too many cases of successful older DJs. Women aren't programmed to seek out youth cues like men are. Many of the things they ARE attracted to are better exemplified in an older male - like power, status, experience, and maturity.

Zekko how young are the women we are talking about. I am specifically referring to the 18-23 yr old demographic. I dont think they go for guys that are 35+ much. I am sure you are right about the 26+ female demographic. Yes i can see that. But the really young prime girls will get so much flak from their friends for dating a 35 year old man.

 

[Pandora]

You have to chase 20-year olds, you don't have the brains, skill or confidence to approach anything else.

Dude why would a person want to chase any thing else but 20 yr olds. Early 20s is prime sex appeal for a woman. Approaching women in their 30s is not much of a reward. You are not making sense my friend. Explain urself.

 

[Stagger Lee]

It would be one thing if 18-25 year olds didn't want a guy over 30, or just attractive girls didn't want a guy who looks older and isn't highly attractive. I'm finding even the 40-50 year old women who don't even look good for their age want to date a guy who is 5, 10, even 15 years younger and worse looks like he's '28' or if the guy is 40-50 and shows some age looks like an aged male model or movie star. It's like Hot in Cleveland where all the men are young looking 40-50 year olds who are aging well male models except the women aren't as thin or even attractive as the not so hot aging female cast members. It's even more ridiculous than female fiction lol.

 

[Tictac]

Dude why would a person want to chase any thing else but 20 yr olds. Early 20s is prime sex appeal for a woman. Approaching women in their 30s is not much of a reward. You are not making sense my friend. Explain urself.

If women are jewelry to you, that's cool, enjoy.

I don't' explain myself to anyone.

 

[Pandora]

If women are jewelry to you, that's cool, enjoy.

I don't' explain myself to anyone.

what does that even mean..if women are jewelry to me? Most guys want to get the most pretty and youngest women possible to bear their children. A guy would rather have a 22 yr old vs a 33 yr old woman. If you are going to post on a forum i think its reasonable to explain yourself.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Each experience is unique, it does and will continue to happen. I seen young women with older men. Its not excessive, but it does happen

 

[mrgoodstuff]

what does that even mean..if women are jewelry to me? Most guys want to get the most pretty and youngest women possible to bear their children. A guy would rather have a 22 yr old vs a 33 yr old woman. If you are going to post on a forum i think its reasonable to explain yourself.

The 33 may have a lot more going on for her, more money, connections, maturity, sexual experience, etc. This is why you may choose older.

 

[hithard]

I hit forty and have never had this much attention from attractive 20yo's. And yes I date/plate and fu.ck them.
I'm sorry but this belief that it can't be done sounds like another story of: 'I can't do it so no one else can'.
I had a harder time early 30's hitting this market. I was more muscular and more attractive then

 

[Stagger Lee]

Well 40 year old males aren't picking up attractive 20 year olds in my city or any in any city in the US I've been. It's not happening online on any dating sites I've used since most of the girls in their 20's age block guys over 30. Seems it only happens on here. I've never seen a case where a guy picked up more chicks after 35 than he could at 28.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Well 40 year old males aren't picking up attractive 20 year olds in my city or any in any city in the US I've been. It's not happening online on any dating sites I've used since most of the girls in their 20's age block guys over 30. Seems it only happens on here. I've never seen a case where a guy picked up more chicks after 35 than he could at 28.

Yeah but 20's especially earlier than 25 are "siller" and play a lot of childish games. That may or may not be a turn off. Plus if you are older they will assume you are going to take care of them. It's better to find a 30 ish babe who has maintained her appearance and made good choices in life.

 

[ChrisFloyd]

what does that even mean..if women are jewelry to me? Most guys want to get the most pretty and youngest women possible to bear their children. A guy would rather have a 22 yr old vs a 33 yr old woman. If you are going to post on a forum i think its reasonable to explain yourself.

It means you have not ever met a suitable one for you yet

 

[hithard]

Well 40 year old males aren't picking up attractive 20 year olds in my city or any in any city in the US I've been. It's not happening online on any dating sites I've used since most of the girls in their 20's age block guys over 30. Seems it only happens on here. I've never seen a case where a guy picked up more chicks after 35 than he could at 28.

I know guys in the states doing it without a hitch. Mate, I know I'm doing it despite your disbelief.
Do you actually pursue women in real life or online?
If it's online experience only then I don't have a clue what the stats are. Never seriously tried it. You could be completely right and no guys over forty are picking up on there. Maybe because every unskilled 40yo guy is badly attempting to pick up with thousands spamming inboxes a day.
I'm not interested in arguing with someone's self limiting belief and going back and forth. It's being done. Open your eyes a bit more.
Real life interactions over online.

 

[zekko]

If you talk to a woman, she might say she'd never date a guy 10 years older than her. But then put an attractive guy 15 years older in front of her and she'll go for him without batting an eye.

That's one problem with online dating, she can eliminate you based on your statistics, and real life attraction never gets a chance to enter into it.

 

[Stagger Lee]

If you talk to a woman, she might say she'd never date a guy 10 years older than her. But then put an attractive guy 15 years older in front of her and she'll go for him without batting an eye.

That's one problem with online dating, she can eliminate you based on your statistics, and real life attraction never gets a chance to enter into it.

Absolutely agree. Most of the girls in their 20's eliminate anyone more than 5 years older, and pof won't allow more than a 13 year age difference. And it's not easy and depends on luck to be that attractive of a guy especially when you're over 35. An older guy that was always good looking and aged well could do it, but they are rare and usually in relationships, not playing the pick up game. It's not just the 20 year old girls, that'd be one thing. It's hard enough for guys in their 20's to pick up 20 year olds. I'm finding women 30-50 are still attracted to youthful looks and 'cuteness'. There the problem is reversed. She might say she won't date a guy 10 years younger. But put an attractive guy who is 15 years younger in front of her and she'll go for it. It's easier to be attractive when you're 10 years younger.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I know guys in the states doing it without a hitch. Mate, I know I'm doing it despite your disbelief.
Do you actually pursue women in real life or online?
If it's online experience only then I don't have a clue what the stats are. Never seriously tried it. You could be completely right and no guys over forty are picking up on there. Maybe because every unskilled 40yo guy is badly attempting to pick up with thousands spamming inboxes a day.
I'm not interested in arguing with someone's self limiting belief and going back and forth. It's being done. Open your eyes a bit more.
Real life interactions over online.

I had been going out for years and been to bars picking up a few thousand times. I never saw many older guys usually 1 or 2 out of a crowd of thousands.. The few I see are shut out and standing on the sidelines, or just there with their older GF/date/wife. I don't need to open my eyes. Of course a good looking, aging well 40 year old can pick up younger women but that is the rare exception and not the rule.