When you start to look aged

[Stagger Lee]

Any guys here over age 35 that noticed it's harder to get attraction? Even if you're reasonable fit and lean, your skin isn't too aged looking, no thinning hair and no gray, one's facial features still age. The nose, ears and face features continue to grow and change shape, testosterone begins to drop etc. I read a study, I think it was an okcupid study, as I recall that men's dating success peaked around age 25 and stayed fairly level until dropping drastically around 35. It seemed like my appearance had magic to create attraction until around 34 then started dropping fast even if the woman was over age 40 herself and not all that attractive.

I'm sure there are some looks/appearance deniers and age deniers, but I never saw guys who couldn't pass for 20-something out at the bars and having much success. I miss hanging out and picking up the numerous fresh 20-year olds, but that 40-50 year old women want a 28 year old looks too is a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[Glumix]

Sharpen your mind.

I turned 36 and never had as much success as now. I take care of my look and my shape but I take even greater care of my mind so that make me love people and to interact with them. In return, they love to interact with me as I am always the guy with some humor and fun. And girls love that. Confidence, humor, manliness. Give them your energy carefuly.

Also, stop masturbating completely. That will change your body and mind and it is probably the easiest and safest way to build up testosterone. Women can sense that. Well, you can masturbate but do not ejaculate.

 

[HeadLightsOn]

OP I seriously disagree, in fact I find I pull younger women in my 40s thank when I was in my 20s.

However,mifnyou do have to make an age adjustment on the women you can pull, I believe you should do so gracefully. Last week I pulled a woman who is 48. That is ancient in my book. Her figure was 8.5-tight and ready and her face while aged, was very pleasant. Plus she was sexy.

I put it more down to the way they look than a number.

 

[Tictac]

Any guys here over age 35 that noticed it's harder to get attraction? Even if you're reasonable fit and lean, your skin isn't too aged looking, no thinning hair and no gray, one's facial features still age. The nose, ears and face features continue to grow and change shape, testosterone begins to drop etc. I read a study, I think it was an okcupid study, as I recall that men's dating success peaked around age 25 and stayed fairly level until dropping drastically around 35. It seemed like my appearance had magic to create attraction until around 34 then started dropping fast even if the woman was over age 40 herself and not all that attractive.

I'm sure there are some looks/appearance deniers and age deniers, but I never saw guys who couldn't pass for 20-something out at the bars and having much success. I miss hanging out and picking up the numerous fresh 20-year olds, but that 40-50 year old women want a 28 year old looks too is a bitter pill to swallow.

You type like a vain woman. If there is not more to you than the first wrinkle of the skin on your face, you will never pull any chicks in the first place.

Go become a eunuch.

 

[Stagger Lee]

You type like a vain woman. If there is not more to you than the first wrinkle of the skin on your face, you will never pull any chicks in the first place.

Go become a eunuch.

You insult me but you would be laughed at by young even pre-menopausal women in bars. I've been out picking up for many years and pulled many chicks in the past and never saw older guys get anywhere. But on this site older guys are just beating off younger women or so they claim. I don't buy it and if you actually go out and pick up women you know it doesn't happen. There's too much ego, disrespect and dishonesty on this forum. The site is not 'redpill' about the importance of men's looks, appearance and age. That's the pill many can't swallow. I'll leave you gentlemen to your bragging.

 

[Tictac]

You insult me but you would be laughed at by young even pre-menopausal women in bars. I've been out picking up for many years and pulled many chicks in the past and never saw older guys get anywhere. But on this site older guys are just beating off younger women or so they claim. I don't buy it and if you actually go out and pick up women you know it doesn't happen. There's too much ego, disrespect and dishonesty on this forum. The site is not 'redpill' about the importance of men's looks, appearance and age. That's the pill many can't swallow. I'll leave you gentlemen to your bragging.

One of these days, maybe you'll understand that you don't know what you don't know and that just typing something doesn't make it real.

When it comes to game, women, even relationships, looks matter. So do many other things, none of which you evidently believe you have. For you, your looks are the sum of you. You are a cake made only of icing. That's a pill you can't swallow. You have to chase 20-year olds, you don't have the brains, skill or confidence to approach anything else.

 

[dustmuffin]

I would like some tips on pulling younger women. I can't help but feel like a creep when I ask for the number. The only answer I have come up with don't g ive a ****. It doesn't mater what she or I thinks just do it.

 

[Stagger Lee]

One of these days, maybe you'll understand that you don't know what you don't know and that just typing something doesn't make it real.

Exactly, and many don't want know what they don't like to be true and why I don't believe everything I see written especially when doesn't match up to whats seen in reality.

When it comes to game, women, even relationships, looks matter. So do many other things, none of which you evidently believe you have. For you, your looks are the sum of you. You are a cake made only of icing. That's a pill you can't swallow.

And here you are not understanding that you don't know what you don't know and typing something as if it makes it real. A man's looks matter a lot to women and before anything else can matter. You are simply projecting how women are on to me. That's a feminine tactic. All of us men are effectively just cakes made of icing to women. Women don't give a sh!t about who you are inside at least not enough to make up for your appearance. That's the pill you can't swallow

You have to chase 20-year olds, you don't have the brains, skill or confidence to approach anything else.

Again you type something wrong on every level and believe that makes it true. I go after women of all ages. Older women are easier than 20-year old women just not as numerous and not as desirable.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I would like some tips on pulling younger women. I can't help but feel like a creep when I ask for the number. The only answer I have come up with don't g ive a ****. It doesn't mater what she or I thinks just do it.

If they think you're a 'creep', they'll generally blow you off at the approach. But as you surmised it doesn't really matter or do any good worrying about what she might think. You have to act. I think if you're at a bar and get the number trying to set up a day 2, it's pretty iffy. I think you should just try to go for the same night or maybe if you have separated text her the same night while she's still buzzed and maybe willing to hook up.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Because I still work VERY hard day in and day out, I'm noticing an imbalance. My equilibrium is off (inner ear, due to the aging of my ears, I believe). I'm still coordinated but certainly not as much as I was a mere 2 years ago. 22 yr olds are harder for me, but not impossible. I still get women who MUST know that I am like 10-15 years older than they are but could care less because of the status or monetary value they place in their minds upon me. I get them smiling and they are happy to see me, BUT if I were to Insult them (even though I'm just joking), they may Remember that insult and their affinity towards me may change. I will tell a woman flat out that I am not attracted to her, and tell her that she should be attracted to me and that if she's not then I'm not attracted to her. This angers or perplexes a few women, but....I don't care.

It's more about your speaking voice and/or Speech, charisma, ability to lead her with your NLP speech patterns, kinda like a trance or a lulling hypnosis. You speak and she pays attention, nods, whatever. You pace and lead and seduce and wrap. You become the ONLY One to her, in the room, in those few seconds or minutes with her. I ALWAYS have a I-know-something-you-don't-know slant or jade in my discussions with women. It's as if we are in the bedroom face-to-face and intimate, even though we are out n' about or in a business setting etc etc. It Can be risky, but I never get called on being "a sleaze" or "too dirty-speaking." I balance it, and I'm "wut wut" Always. Even a prudish strict school teacher lady, 10 years older than me, will get this seduction treatment, and it turns her on, even though I'd never do anything with her warty face, but you know, maybe I would bang her from behind if she so got desirous of me One Day, spur of the moment in the future. It's like I can tell, beyond her elitist down-looking upon me, snobbish mannerisms, her forever seeing me as a SNAKE because of her "Ed-u-ca-tion" and the books she's read and how she's been taught to believe, I'm still there, and if she want me to fvck her, I will, because she thinks I'm evil and that she's gonna Change me, or that she could change me, make me "better," or some kinda interior decorator job she's gonna do to me. She won't but at least she'll try all the while I'm fvcking her.

 

[evan12]

And here you are not understanding that you don't know what you don't know and typing something as if it makes it real. A man's looks matter a lot to women and before anything else can matter. You are simply projecting how women are on to me. That's a feminine tactic. All of us men are effectively just cakes made of icing to women. Women don't give a sh!t about who you are inside at least not enough to make up for your appearance. That's the pill you can't swallow

Okupid data mining proved the most what matter is the man profile pic to women , and the rest is 30% only , so I agree with you .
As for a question of what to do , I suggest to visit some anti aging clinic and pay some bugs to get a better skin and hair. I personally considering that , I am younger than you but my stressful life and job showed aging on my face too early people usually add at least 5 years on my real age .

 

[sodbuster]

you are looking at online data, where they look for an excuse to disqualify a man because online dating is a sausage fest..... I've had decent looking women tell me they had to hide their profile because they were getting too many e-mails.... BUT, by decent looking, I'd give her a 6.5. NOT what I would call HOT

 

[Stagger Lee]

you are looking at online data, where they look for an excuse to disqualify a man because online dating is a sausage fest..... I've had decent looking women tell me they had to hide their profile because they were getting too many e-mails.... BUT, by decent looking, I'd give her a 6.5. NOT what I would call HOT

True but nowadays the bars are the same way, sausage fests with more men than women and the women looking to DQ any guy based on a glance of his face. I'm going by my experience of meeting women in person from online and getting no where near the success on the meet up I did 5 years ago. And this with older woman that in a normal world should be considered undateable. Nothing has changed for the worse about me other than slight aging. It's pretty disheartening when even women 49 years of age who are fat, expired and never better looking than average when they were in the early 20's can be so damn picky about a guy not looking like a 28 year old male model.

 

[sodbuster]

IF the homeless bum laying in his puke on the side of the street dissed you, would it bother you? That is what most American women are. Men just haven't given them the message yet because we are all running around trying to get laid. Try giving them the same look you'd give him that amused, "I'm better than you" look. See how well it draws them in

 

[Poonani Maker]

^^ She could be 22, hot, awesome-t!ttied, and decent face, and I'll treat her like a homeless dude AFTER I fvck her. In the lead up, to fvcking her, I will show affection in my face to her though. It's like I'm sucking Her youth, to make me more youthful (in looks) while interacting with her. She may balk or see thru me or have her mind made up, but it's like hunting deer or an elk whatever, you have to get close, scent, use your deer-horn, then rattle the antlers together, then wait for her to come. Deers, Old deers, are Very smart.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Im mostly with Stagger on this one, Im 30 and I can tell the few wrinkles appearing on my face when I smile make a difference, so does my hairline and my not too tight skin on my face.

If I manage to spend enough time with a girl and she can sense my inner youth its game on no doubt but when it comes of cold approaching any girl below 24 I feel like Im walking on a tense cable with the fear of falling in the creep zone if I happen to lose my balance.

Forget about approaching group of young girls which I was doing with decent success till 3 years ago, thats an automatic drunk old creep unless you happen to be close and being invited from them, even if one of them invites me I feel like I have to work on the others not for their approval to get their friends but to avoid the creep zone.

Thankfully growing my hair longer hides really well my receiding hairline which doesnt make me look aged, still have to solve the tightness of the skin and the pale skin, surely lowering my bodyfat and some self tanning cream will help.

Regarding the older women which Stagger say they still want a young guy, I also agree in part with it, in this case the problem can be fixed by behaving young (young not like a young moron), dress with decent clothes but not the elegant mature but more the elegant young given you have the body.

I believe its still possible in this age group to get girls below 25 as long as you dont actively do the first move, dont me wrong you still have to run your game but it has to be an indirect game, you take away the kino and the asking you while you keep the teasing and humor while you tone your negs in the funny spectrum not full negs more some neg/funny teasing, in that case it will be the girl to open you the gates and only then you run a more aggressive game.

Running an aggressive game before she invites you to do so its dangerous and can lead to the creep zone, at least thats my opinion.

No need to say that what you dont have in youth you need to have in social position, if you're old and look aged and at the bottom of society no amount of game is gonna help you, theless youth you have the more status you need to add to keep the balance.

 

[G_Govan]

It's a popular misconception that your nose and ears continue growing into old age. They don't, what you're seeing are the effects of gravity over time, where they will sag/stretch a bit.

Be realistic. The older you get, the more status/wealth you need to have in order to be on the radar of young women. Barring that, you need to maintain your appearance by eating right and staying active, in other words, you need to look good.

I'm 36 and still attract jail bait, partially because I have a baby face without much facial hair but I also exercise regularly, I'm in good shape, better shape than a lot of much younger men.

Drinking/smoking/tanning/bad food will accelerate the aging process.

 

[user43770]

Stagger, your outlook is self-defeating, and I wouldn't be surprised if women were picking up on it.

I'm not saying that positive thinking will magically land 20 year olds in your bed, but you may be surprised what it can accomplish.

 

[Stagger Lee]

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Stagger, your outlook is self-defeating, and I wouldn't be surprised if women were picking up on it.

I'm not saying that positive thinking will magically land 20 year olds in your bed, but you may be surprised what it can accomplish.

I really dislike this common chicken and the egg argument, reversing cause and effect, and blaming the messenger. Plus like spirituality it's a non-falsifiable concept. Where do you think the 'defeated' outlook came from? It came from expecting to get attraction when meeting a girl in person from online at the previous rate but the past couple years experiencing a near 100% failure rate.

When the woman comes through the door they look happy/excited about meeting then look at my face for a few seconds and then become cold fish that can't be warmed up. Women aren't mind readers, they are simply just looking at your face and attraction is created or it isn't and you're friendzoned/rejectionzoned. All the personality and positive thinking horse sh!t might help make you a more likable friend to a girl but it doesn't create attraction.

This sick joke part is many of these women were in their mid 30's to late forties themselves and even with a pound of make up look older than me.

After they seen my pics, read my profile and after chatting seemed eager/excited to meet, I'd expect at least a 50% attraction rate in person. That's what I remember getting around. What is others' rate here?

 

[zekko]

Age isn't that important. Not sure what the source of your problems are, Stagger, but I doubt that they are fully connected with age. Too many cases of successful older DJs. Women aren't programmed to seek out youth cues like men are. Many of the things they ARE attracted to are better exemplified in an older male - like power, status, experience, and maturity.