When to kick dating up a gear??

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Been dating a girl for about 3 months now. We have rolled into a routine that works for now. We go out once a week usually and twice a week at the absolute most. We do very little communication in between, some weeks none, other than scheduling the date. She says she is very busy and enjoys her "ME" time, but is always willing to make that next date..

I'm just trying to figure out when it's time to kick it up a gear and see if she is game for spending more time together. Everything now is pretty much a predictable given; we both know we will go out again next week, and we neither one expect to hear much from the other in between time.. Not a bad routine I guess, especially early on, but I wouldn't mind kicking it up one small gear I guess..
 

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are you banging her?

usually once you start banging them its easy to increase the 'us' time. in fact usually the problem is keeping the woman from turning all your free time into 'us' time.
 

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Predictability can cause complacency which can cause boredom. Women typically enjoy the drama of uncertainty or change. The question is whether spending more time together will fix the problem. Not necessarily.
 

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I really think that what you want is more INVOLVEMENT with this woman. I mean a deeper and more emotionally fulfiling attachment ? Right ? You want to progress towards a LTR ?
If this is correct you need to tread very carefully.
The easiest thing to get from a woman is regular sex. It is everywhere to be had( I can hear the howls of protest from women readers who like to think of themselves as "not easy " -YOU ladies really are easy ! )
The hardest commodities or qualities to come by from western women are loyalty, committment, respect, trust and gratitude.. Trust me, I know how rare these are in women.
THis is like looking for diamonds in a dogpile.
Women babble on about "commitment and trust and communication " etc but most of them have NO clue what these characteristics REALLY entail.

Think about what you REALLY want and then post back. I have some strategies which may work depending on your objectives.
 

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Fellas I really appreciate all the feedback, as always.

For as long as we have been dating, we have not had intercourse yet, but she has done oral on me.. Based on a conversation we had when we first started dating, I really wonder if she is not a virgin holding out for marriage. She said something that lead me to believe that one time without actually saying it... I haven't really tried to push sex on her and I am not quite ready to flat out ask if she is still a V... Sex is not my goal with her anyway, so this doesn't even matter. Someday I will make the move and she will probably say "Ahh, I need to tell you something"... lol

Anyway, my goal is a LTR. She is everything I have ever pictured in a LTR plus even the "bonus" things that "would just be nice", she even has those qualities too. She has told me just more in a casual context that I am the only guy she is seeing. She has made it very clear that she wants to see me but wants to take it slow. Slow is cool with me, I just wouldn't mind stepping it up one knotch and seeing her a little more and breaking out of our routine. We all know that routine can be bad.
 

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How old is she? I cannot answer your question until I know her age. Also...are both of you in the U.S.?

And how can she be everything you picture in a long term relationship? I mean, there is NO intercourse in this situation. Now, if you two are compatible in the sexual department (e.g. which could include "sex is no important to neither one of you"), then that's a different situation.

Note: Giving oral sex can be a way for a woman to use technical terms (woman_ize) such as "I had no sexual relations with logicman". I have heard of women claim "virginity" after getting anal sex and sucking dozens of co_cks.
 

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We all have an idea what "take it slow" means from a guy's perspective but I've learned that it could be something different from woman to woman. You may want to find out from her exactly what she means by that. She may not be feeling you out but trying to deal with some background issues that you don't know about. No use speculating if you are considering her long term potential.

This is an important time when it comes to relationships. The time leading up to the six month mark is typically a settling in period. This means that by month six, the state of your relationship as a whole is pretty much established. This is where it's decided whether your relationship is worth taking forward or is it time to cut the ties without investing additional effort to something that doesn't seem viable in the long run.
 

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Yo LL,


I have assessed your battlefield given the brief intel that you have supplied me, and here are your orders:

PROTECT YOUR HEART, SOLDIER.

In my opinion, this "relationship" seems to be too mysterious and too ambiguous to have been going on for 3 months. You've been dating this woman TOO long for it to not have progressed further than it has. I understand what you mean when you say that sex is not your goal with her. But does SHE understand that it IS one of your goals?

I know that there are always exceptions to any rule, and this woman COULD be a good candidate for an eventual LTR, but please consider these things as you make your decision to "kick it up a notch" with her:

Understand that it should NOT even be YOUR job to kick the damm relationship up a notch-----it should be HERS. Women who are "comfortable" with seeing a guy a few times a week INDEFINITELY usually are suffering from one or two things:

Either LOW interest level in the guy, or a STAGNATED interest level in the guy.

Check your history with her and see which one it is, because it's definitely one or the other. Either way, this woman is CONTROLLING the speed, progress, AND outcome of the relationship-----this is NOT good.

Women with a high or a continuously rising interest in a guy will move to escalate the progression of the relationship THEMSELVES-------without any coaxing from the guy at all. Any woman who actually "prefers" a certain structured amount of time spent with a guy is a woman who is usually either already exploring other options, or waiting for some more and better (in HER mind) options to come her way.

So brace yourself for the possibility that she COULD be just using you as a dating/companionship tool to tide her over until she finds a guy she REALLY likes. I HOPE I am wrong about this, but...

PROTECT YOUR HEART, SOLDIER.

There is a difference between Mr. Right and Mr. RIGHT NOW. And in regards to sex, realize that in most cases, women who will give you head but NOT have sex with you probably have some types of "hangups or issues". Not ALL of these issues are NEXT-worthy, but some are. You will have to decide that.

Who knows, it could be anything from being a virgin to being an undercover freak with random fukk buddies unbeknownst to you. I know that sex is not your ULTIMATE goal, and I respect that because I see the maturity imbedded in that mindset. But I also think it is a mistake to give the woman the impression that it is not a PRIMARY part of your ultimate goal.

The main thing that separates a friendly relationship and a romantic relationship between a man and a woman IS the sexual component. You see, many women KNOW that once they have sex with a man, they will lose a lot of control over their emotions. And then, their objectivity, their strongly held, and often overly-idealized "criteria", or whatever will give way to a more REALISTIC and grounded bond with the guy.

So, as a result of this, some women avoid sex altogether to keep THEIR emotional distance because they DON'T want to get TOO into the guy.

My battlefield commands to YOU is to be far more DIRECT about your intentions than you have been. It's been long enough, you need to apply a subtle form of pressure on her to make her show HER true intentions more explicitly as far as your relationship is concerned.

Don't do it so much by words, instead communicate your STRONG, manly, sexual, and holistic interest in her by your actions. If you don't do this soon, you could wind up being made her OFFICIAL emotional tampon. So...

PROTECT YOUR HEART, SOLDIER.

Lastly, I would advise you to gradually change the "mindframe" as soon as YESTERDAY. Start LEADING this woman, rather than let her call the shots. Start shaking things up schedule-wise too. Start being a little more spontaneous and less predictable. Become a little more mysterious. And start being FAR more sexual. After all, you don't really want an LTR with a woman who secretly DOESN'T like sex at all, do you? But NEVER give her any ultimatums about anything and NEVER ask her for an LTR.

Why? Because you didn't set the frame from the start, so ultimatums will come across as incongruent if you suddenly flipped the script now. NOW you HAVE to be more covert in your manuevers towards her.

And never ask for an LTR because if you allow yourself to contnually emotionally undress in front of this woman, she will have seen ALL she needs to see of you and may lose interest in you altogether.

It's really not my intention to be negative, so the purpose of my post to you is to inspire you to get out of that FOLLOWING mode and take up your weapon and charge full speed ahead in to the LEADING mode-----where you BELONG.

Take back your power, soldier. You don't let a woman tell YOU what she wants from you, YOU tell HER by your words and actions what you want from HER!

Women are eventually turned off by an indecisive man, and if you keep letting HER dictate the direction of the relationship, she may eventually start losing interest in you. And you'll know the line has been crossed when the DISRESPECT starts...

Now I understand that I could be wrong, and that my views could be colored by the heaps of men with broken hearts that I have seen along the way, but still at least CONSIDER what I have said. I HOPE that I am wrong this time. I HOPE that you have found a true semblance of a "good" girl, and that she and her intentions can be trusted.

But until you take the lead, and until she begins to FOLLOW your lead by showing you a higher and continously RISING interest level over a longer period of time, please do not continue to OVER-INVEST in her emotionally.

One thing that I've found is that women who are really INTO you, want to become MORE and MORE into you. And they show this by demonstrating their desire to become a more frequent and MORE INTEGRATED part of YOUR whole life.

So until she shows you enough of THAT kind of interest, please...

PROTECT YOUR HEART, SOLDIER.



Peace...one day.
 

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Understand that it should NOT even be YOUR job to kick the damm relationship up a notch-----it should be HERS. Women who are "comfortable" with seeing a guy a few times a week INDEFINITELY usually are suffering from one or two things:

Either LOW interest level in the guy, or a STAGNATED interest level in the guy.

Check your history with her and see which one it is, because it's definitely one or the other. Either way, this woman is CONTROLLING the speed, progress, AND outcome of the relationship-----this is NOT good.

Women with a high or a continuously rising interest in a guy will move to escalate the progression of the relationship THEMSELVES-------without any coaxing from the guy at all. Any woman who actually "prefers" a certain structured amount of time spent with a guy is a woman who is usually either already exploring other options, or waiting for some more and better (in HER mind) options to come her way.
I agree with this 100%. I asked for the age, because if she was VERY young (e.g. 18 or 19)...then I would add "immaturity" as a cause.

But I sense it is what VV described in the quote above.

Excellent observation.

There is a difference between Mr. Right and Mr. RIGHT NOW. And in regards to sex, realize that in most cases, women who will give you head but NOT have sex with you probably have some types of "hangups or issues". Not ALL of these issues are NEXT-worthy, but some are. You will have to decide that.

Who knows, it could be anything from being a virgin to being an undercover freak with random fukk buddies unbeknownst to you. I know that sex is not your ULTIMATE goal, and I respect that because I see the maturity imbedded in that mindset. But I also think it is a mistake to give the woman the impression that it is not a PRIMARY part of your ultimate goal.
Another excellent point. One which I agree 100%. She could be a virgin, could be an undercover freak with random fukk buddies, could be sick (vd), could have been raped, or simply could not care at all about sex.
 

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Have you ever considered that you may just be another one of her boyfriends? She may even have a husband or a boyfriend that she lives with. I say that because of something I went through. You did not mention if you see her on the same days. If you like her it is best to be finding this stuff out now.
 

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I really appreciate everybody taking the time to give me feedback and I have read through this whole thread 3-4 times.

Victory I consider you one of the top dogs of this board. Your posts are always uber objective which are the what we all need on here. So many thanks once again.

FYI all, the girl is 28. I agree that mixing things up a bit seems to be the best course of action I need to take... We often go out on Saturday nights when I don't have my kid and that would be this weekend. Weeks I do have my kid, we sometimes do something with the kid or else meet for a quick lunch during the week or go out on a weeknight. However, I think I am going to avoid all contact with her between now and then and skip a weekend.
 

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What's the latest with your situation, Lefty? Reason I'm asking is because I too am in a remarkably similar circumstance with the girl I've been seeing for the past couple months.
 

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Maestro Monk said:
What's the latest with your situation, Lefty? Reason I'm asking is because I too am in a remarkably similar circumstance with the girl I've been seeing for the past couple months.
Thank for you asking. A few weeks ago right after I said I was gonna stir it up a bit, I did. I didn't schedule a Saturday date with her and I completely ignored her all week. She finally texted me Saturday morning with a "hey whats up". I ignored. She texted me again 3 hrs later and asked if I was free "tonight". I ignored again. She txted me again 4 more hours later and said "If not tonight can we meet for lunch next week?". I finally texted her back way later that night. Told her I was busy all weekend but we'd see about lunch next week.

I had felt like I had established some control and proved that she still has some IL. For the past couple weeks we had 3 dates at some various times, and things seemed to be going great...

But now again it feels like the control is shifting back her way. We were out this past Saturday night parked on a back road getting ready to get funkey in my truck, and she all the sudden stopped and said "her stomach hurt" and she wanted to go home. She did txt me 10 minutes after I dropped her off and said "Sorry I ruined the moment, we will pick up where we left off next time".. So maybe she was telling the truth. Hell I dunno anymore...

It's like this chick shows just enough interest to keep me coming back, but she keeps me completely on my toes..

What's your situation Monk?
 

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Lefty, good to hear that being aloof paid off.

This one I'm seeing is a gorgeous 20 year old student. The kicker is that she's extremely shy; I have to initiate almost everything, including conversation. This also means that so far I've been putting forth most of the initial efforts, including calling. On the plus side, she has always been available to go out with me, even at last minute calls the same evening.

So we've been hanging out once/week for the past couple months. She's done oral on me a couple times, but no sex yet. This is partly due to several embarrassing moments of my inability to become erect after lengthy make-out sessions where I was rock hard for the hour or so we were at it. (Should this be a concern, by the way?)

An interesting update happened tonight. After not seeing/calling her for 5 days, she comes by my work as I'm closing, "just to say hi", which sadly brought me back to a semi-afc state. I figured since we were both there we'd go for a walk as soon as I got off work half an hour later.
After 15 mins of sitting and talking, we each give one another a peck on the cheek :( (her study friends are nearby)
So naturally I'm now angry at myself for my friend-zone-ish behaviour.
I'm thinking of shooting her a text and teasing her for that lame 'goodnight kiss'.

I have the place to myself this weekend, and want to somehow get her over for some fun. Input/Suggestions on anything above people?
 
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