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Originally posted by darkhorse:

This could be taken as supporting Poosy Marauders observation, "Or it migh be emotional pain - people (and especially women) only value relationships
that have been a struggle to achieve. If a guy proves "easy" for them, they think
they have sold themselves short. If it takes a little pain and heartache to win the
guy, they will worship him because he represents a trophy to their efforts."

No?

What kept you faithful for those four years? The actual relationship? Or your fantasy of what that relationship could be? The best fantasies are often those that have no chance of being consummated.
That's just the thing...it WASN'T a struggle at all...it just came naturally and was easy. He wasn't a challenge to "catch" seeing as there's not much competition when a guy is in prison. Going to the visits and making sacrifices never felt like a chore or burden. I stayed faithful because it was an amazing relationship, I valued it, I valued him and I wouldn't have ever dreamed of risking hurting him or losing such a great thing.

Yes, he was "unavailable" in a way, but I knew that going into it...there were no games and it was my choice, not some trick he was using to hold onto me.
 

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Wyldfire,

1) Hang in there. You will get a job soon. So don't worry. Things always work themselves out someway or another.

2) Guys come and go. Just like women for us. If you are not being treated the way you want, as Anti-Dump would say, "Dump". Find someone that truly enjoys being with you.

3) To answer you question. I used to call very often. Sometimes 5 times in one day. Whew, that embarassing just typing that. Now I feel very confident in myself that I don't have to call too often. I would normally call 2-4 days depending on when I get the phone number.

Hang in there friend,

Legend

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"The key to happiness in your life is "Your Life",... Don the Legend
 

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dont ask women what they want cause they dont really know
 

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Originally posted by Don the Legend:
Wyldfire,

1) Hang in there. You will get a job soon. So don't worry. Things always work themselves out someway or another.

2) Guys come and go. Just like women for us. If you are not being treated the way you want, as Anti-Dump would say, "Dump". Find someone that truly enjoys being with you.

3) To answer you question. I used to call very often. Sometimes 5 times in one day. Whew, that embarassing just typing that. Now I feel very confident in myself that I don't have to call too often. I would normally call 2-4 days depending on when I get the phone number.

Hang in there friend,

Legend

I'm not even worried about the job. I almost always get an interview for any job I apply for, and I have never had an interview and NOT gotten a job offer. I get a lot of child support and have money stashed away to get me through a couple of months, plus I will get unemployment if this drags out at all. My financial bases are covered. It's the idleness that gets to me. I'm so freaking high strung it's not funny. I have to sit around at home and wait for the calls for work, not fun when you are impatient.

The guy and I have a history of nearing 2 years. It's mostly friendship because we live so far away from each other, but if we lived in the same place there's no doubt in my mind that there would be much more. I value the friendship a great deal. I know he values it too, but it seems that this recent relevation of his about how he feels has turned him into a freaking bonehead.

MEN! HMMMPPPPHHHH! GROWL!
 

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Originally posted by Selfesteemboy:
dont ask women what they want cause they dont really know
Um...the same could be said of men.

Better switch that to don't ask human beings what they want cause the don't really know.

The guys are just as universally inconsistent in pursuing what they say they want as the gals are. Be honest!
 

Well I'm here to tell you there is such a magic wand. Something that will make you almost completely irresistible to any woman you "point it" at. Something guaranteed to fill your life with love, romance, and excitement.

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"The guys are just as universally inconsistent in pursuing what they say they want as the gals are. Be honest!" --Wyldfire

Bullshyt.

We want our brains fvcked out by as many DIFFERENT women as possible with no committments, ie NO relationship or marriage, until we're 50 and then we want to just fvcking sleep.

There you go. That's what men want. Mystery solved. So stop your bellyaching.

Selfesteemboy said it right.

Wait at least 4 days to call.

Jake
 

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Originally posted by Jake Steed:
"The guys are just as universally inconsistent in pursuing what they say they want as the gals are. Be honest!" --Wyldfire

Bullshyt.

We want our brains fvcked out by as many DIFFERENT women as possible with no committments, ie NO relationship or marriage, until we're 50 and then we want to just fvcking sleep.

There you go. That's what men want. Mystery solved. So stop your bellyaching.

Selfesteemboy said it right.

Wait at least 4 days to call.

Jake

That might be what you want, but I hear more of the guys on here saying that they want to find the right person, and don't want to be lonely, in so many words. The overall advice is to not deal with biotchy women, yet those are the very ones the guys tend to go after the most...just like the women tend to go after the @ssholes. If that weren't the way things go there wouldn't even be a use for this site.

Just as much as men and women are different, they are the same.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire:
That might be what you want, but I hear more of the guys on here saying that they want to find the right person, and don't want to be lonely, in so many words. The overall advice is to not deal with biotchy women, yet those are the very ones the guys tend to go after the most...just like the women tend to go after the @ssholes. If that weren't the way things go there wouldn't even be a use for this site.

Just as much as men and women are different, they are the same.
I'm probably one of those guys who says he's looking for the right person, but that's only because I was brought up with a conscience and some morals. I'm also very leary of all the diseases out there I can catch, plus I was the result of an unplanned teenage pregnancy and I know what the consequences could be. That doesn't mean I wouldn't love to have a bunch of ladies wanting to sleep with me. That would be a much needed boost to my ego. I can't even imagine how great that would be! It's hard when guys are often judged by their ability to get women and I don't know if I am even desirable to one of them.

I'm not attracted to a girl because she's *****y. That doesn't factor into my criteria for choosing a woman. What attracts me initially to a woman is how hot she is. I know this might sound shallow, but I'm just being honest. Having a difficult personality won't help her chances with me at all. As a matter of fact, the nicer and more genuine a person she is, the better.

Now Wyldfire, I know you say you have very little tolerance for a man who plays games, but it also sounds to me like you have a lot of baggage. You're heart has been dragged through the mud many times and you're simply just tired of it. But think of the way you were at 18 years old, when you're experiences with the opposite sex were still few. What kind of person was this guy you married at such a young age? What were the reasons you were attracted to him? Of course both of you were probably too young and immature to be married at that point to begin with. But something tells me he wasn't necessarily the nicest of guys, otherwise, you'd still be with him. The point that I'm trying to make is what initially attracts a woman to a man is that element of challenge where she's got to work to keep him. Once women have been through the emotional ringer a few times and learned from their mistakes will they opt for a nice, honest guy. It's unfortunate that women have to go through that to realize this, but experience is always the best teacher.

Although I do agree with you that men and women are the same in a lot of ways. Sometimes I suspect that a lot of the DJ rules on this site are things that women already know about. The whole idea that a women is not interested if she tells you she's busy or doesn't give you an answer right off the bat is a little one-sided. How do we know that they are not just playing the same game of being a challenge that we guys are?


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Originally posted by krd:
I'm probably one of those guys who says he's looking for the right person, but that's only because I was brought up with a conscience and some morals. I'm also very leary of all the diseases out there I can catch, plus I was the result of an unplanned teenage pregnancy and I know what the consequences could be. That doesn't mean I wouldn't love to have a bunch of ladies wanting to sleep with me. That would be a much needed boost to my ego. I can't even imagine how great that would be! It's hard when guys are often judged by their ability to get women and I don't know if I am even desirable to one of them.

I'm not attracted to a girl because she's *****y. That doesn't factor into my criteria for choosing a woman. What attracts me initially to a woman is how hot she is. I know this might sound shallow, but I'm just being honest. Having a difficult personality won't help her chances with me at all. As a matter of fact, the nicer and more genuine a person she is, the better.

Now Wyldfire, I know you say you have very little tolerance for a man who plays games, but it also sounds to me like you have a lot of baggage. You're heart has been dragged through the mud many times and you're simply just tired of it. But think of the way you were at 18 years old, when you're experiences with the opposite sex were still few. What kind of person was this guy you married at such a young age? What were the reasons you were attracted to him? Of course both of you were probably too young and immature to be married at that point to begin with. But something tells me he wasn't necessarily the nicest of guys, otherwise, you'd still be with him. The point that I'm trying to make is what initially attracts a woman to a man is that element of challenge where she's got to work to keep him. Once women have been through the emotional ringer a few times and learned from their mistakes will they opt for a nice, honest guy. It's unfortunate that women have to go through that to realize this, but experience is always the best teacher.

Although I do agree with you that men and women are the same in a lot of ways. Sometimes I suspect that a lot of the DJ rules on this site are things that women already know about. The whole idea that a women is not interested if she tells you she's busy or doesn't give you an answer right off the bat is a little one-sided. How do we know that they are not just playing the same game of being a challenge that we guys are?


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I have already told the story of my early marriage. I'll give you a very brief recap. I was 18, he was 24. I was the youngest of 4 daughters and the last one left at home...just graduated from HS. There was a tremendous amount of pressure put on me by my father to marry this man. I didn't know what the tell tale signs of abuse were. Had I known, or had enough experience to see them, I would have done things much differently. Those jerks do show signs early on, but they really aren't obvious. If you have no experience you just don't see them as easily. Hindsight is 20/20.

Do I have "baggage"...of course I do, just like every person on here. Have I let my past experiences prevent me from having a healthy relationship? Absolutely not. I'm not bitter, I don't hate men, I trust quite easily, I'm not jealous at all, I don't play guilt, I'm not an emotional terrorist, I don't play silly @ss games. In my opinion, there are two kinds of baggage. There is the kind that is filled with unresolved garbage that taints all future involvements you have. And there is the kind that gives you strength, wisdom, knowledge and the learned lessons that keep you from making the same mistakes over and over again. My baggage is the second kind I mentioned.

At the moment I'm somewhat frustrated and have too much time to play with, mostly personal stuff that will pass shortly. No biggie. I am also a bit frustrated with the difficulty I am having in getting my point across here in the way I am trying to. A lot of the guys are reading more into what I'm saying than I feel I am actually saying. Whether the cause of that is my own impatience with other things or some people seeing a bit of themselves in my posts and getting defensive (or both) is yet to be seen. Either way, it is making for some thought provoking conversation, and that's not a bad thing.


On another note...I just got back from taking my kids to see the Harry Potter movie. I thought for sure I would hate it since I have a short attention span and get so restless during movies. Plus, all the kids are all hyped up to see this one, so I assumed it wasn't something adults would care for much. This is a really great movie, and if anyone is thinking about seeing it or wanting to go to a movie...this is one that anyone and everyone should enjoy.
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire:
Do I have "baggage"...of course I do, just like every person on here. Have I let my past experiences prevent me from having a healthy relationship? Absolutely not. I'm not bitter, I don't hate men, I trust quite easily, I'm not jealous at all, I don't play guilt, I'm not an emotional terrorist, I don't play silly @ss games. In my opinion, there are two kinds of baggage. There is the kind that is filled with unresolved garbage that taints all future involvements you have. And there is the kind that gives you strength, wisdom, knowledge and the learned lessons that keep you from making the same mistakes over and over again. My baggage is the second kind I mentioned.
I gotcha! And that's exactly what I'm trying to say. You've already been through some difficult and trying times with men, and these experiences have directed you to seek out more healthy relationships, which is a good thing. But for a lot of women, this is exactly what they have to go through in order to realize their mistakes. Many women who have not had the benefit of past experience are still unintentionally seeking out the guys who are jerks, because there is an element of challenge that women find appealing. Men deal with these types of women quite frequently, especially those who are 18 to 25 which is what a lot of the advice on this forum pertains to. If all young women knew what you do, they'd probably save themselves a lot of pain in the long run. But they don't, which is why we have sites like this, so that men can be clued in on the way they think.

And I'll keep your Harry Potter idea in mind for my next (and first ever) date, whenever it may come (hopefully before it's already out on video!).



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Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Originally posted by Wyldfire:
I didn't know what the tell tale signs of abuse were. Had I known, or had enough experience to see them, I would have done things much differently. Those jerks do show signs early on, but they really aren't obvious.
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Wyldfire, you sure have gone through a lot of physical and emotional abuse in your lifetime and you've survived intact. Kudos to you! I don't want to put down our miltary personnel, however I like to say that I've noticed a lot of women who have been involved with naval men have been abused.
 

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Originally posted by krd:
I gotcha! And that's exactly what I'm trying to say. You've already been through some difficult and trying times with men, and these experiences have directed you to seek out more healthy relationships, which is a good thing. But for a lot of women, this is exactly what they have to go through in order to realize their mistakes. Many women who have not had the benefit of past experience are still unintentionally seeking out the guys who are jerks, because there is an element of challenge that women find appealing. Men deal with these types of women quite frequently, especially those who are 18 to 25 which is what a lot of the advice on this forum pertains to. If all young women knew what you do, they'd probably save themselves a lot of pain in the long run. But they don't, which is why we have sites like this, so that men can be clued in on the way they think.

And I'll keep your Harry Potter idea in mind for my next (and first ever) date, whenever it may come (hopefully before it's already out on video!).

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Good post! It touches on something I've made mention of a couple of times. Most of you guys are going after women who are probably not the best relationship material. Why? Because just like women, men are more attracted to women who are both challenging and difficult until they learn the lessons hidden in their baggage. The baggage is so important to a person. Inside it is the key to their happiness, a great opportunity to learn and grow as a human being and the answer to most, if not all, of their emotional problems. It's a goldmine if you know what to do with it.
 

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Originally posted by Take No Dirt:
Originally posted by Wyldfire:
I didn't know what the tell tale signs of abuse were. Had I known, or had enough experience to see them, I would have done things much differently. Those jerks do show signs early on, but they really aren't obvious.
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Wyldfire, you sure have gone through a lot of physical and emotional abuse in your lifetime and you've survived intact. Kudos to you! I don't want to put down our miltary personnel, however I like to say that I've noticed a lot of women who have been involved with naval men have been abused.
Thanks...believe it or not, I once went to a therapist because I was feeling kind of low. After an hour of talking with the therapist she told me that I have the healthiest attitude she has ever seen, including from herself and that in her opinion, I didn't need to be there and should save my money. Then she suggested that I consider going into her field or something similar.

As for the Navy personnell...LOTS and LOTS of alcohol abuse going on...at least there used to be. If a young man of 18 goes into the military he is allowed to drink on base. They seem to encourage alcohol abuse yet you can get in serious trouble for having a hickey on your neck...destruction of military property...very silly.
 
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