When in a fight...... People with experience please respond

[Duffdog]

To DuffDog

How the **** do you throw someone?

I've tried lifting a person who weighed around 135lbs who pretended to be knocked out, and it was a pain in the ass. It took me a while to get him into a firemans carry. I couldn't imagine having the leverage to throw a man of any decent weight.

And telling him to go out and look for a fight? Cmon dude how old are you?

Not throw like a baseball. Think greco-roman throw. Its really not that bad, instead of pushing someone down to the ground, push them up in the air. With a little bit of speed you can easily get someone off their feet and flying backwards in the air. Ive done it several times.

I think that guys should be in at least one fight in their lives just to have the experience of doing it. Otherwise, you will be afraid of it your whole life.

 

[Colossus]

I agree that all men should experience fighting, but you dont necessarily have to go out and pick a streetfight. That's a good way to get seriously fvcked up.

You can get involved in a boxing club or an MMA club---these are everywhere nowadays. There you can spar and get your licks, but it's in a controlled environment. The object there is to learn, not get crazy. Before college I used to do BJJ and I remember after a few weeks my fear of fighting was pretty much gone.

Street fights happen before you even realize it's happening. What training does is condition your reactions. You arent thinking about the best technique when your life is in danger...you arent thinking at all really, just reacting.

As far as the rage factor in a fight---it depends on what we're talking about. A streetfight between two untrained guys? Yeah, the guy who wants to win the most will probably win. But in a professional fight, guys who come out raging p!ssed usually make technical mistakes and lose.

 

[speakeasy]

As far as the rage factor in a fight---it depends on what we're talking about. A streetfight between two untrained guys? Yeah, the guy who wants to win the most will probably win. But in a professional fight, guys who come out raging p!ssed usually make technical mistakes and lose.

I think you nailed it right there.

 

[cool dude]

I can't believe nobody has mentioned the power of muscle memory.

A well trained fighter's body will act regardless of how they are feeling (rage, calm, whatever.)

This is because they have attained muscle memory by doing thousands and thousands of repetitions in their training.

This is a real phenomenon where action and precision come without thought.

Yes very true!Bruce lee said he is more afraid to fight a guy that practice one kick 500 times than a guy that practice 500 kicks one time. I feel adrenaline is different than being angry.Adrenaline happens to poeple that are going through something dramatic like a gun fight in a war or a car crash. It is possible to train yourself so much that when in a fight you can stay calm and have a right mind instead of going all out in a blind rage.
I can say for a fact that rage does not mean anything in a fight,because I have beat dudes that were all screamin and yelling and just charge instead of controlling themselves.Don't get me wrong thought I have been through those blind rages and I hope to never go into one agian.I feel I have trained myself mentally to be able to control my emotions and mind in a fight,now when I have been drinking thats a different story,HAHA!!When you train try to always have the mentality you could get into a fight any time soon and get your ass kicked.So train like you fighting for your life.It's not just about physical stuff,it's also about mental and emotional and also great spiritual.Look up ki/chi,very interesting.

I suggest this site martialartsplanet.com

 

[fertileTurtle]

Whoever shoots the other guy(s) first usually wins.

 

[Poonani Maker]

There are no secrets in martial arts, only in how you train. MANY black belts could not kick my a55, because I what I know I've felt out of training multiple partners. Forms and non-contact will get you nowhere.

 

[Inquisitus]

I've only been in kickboxing sparring matches but i can tell you that you want to explosively exhale at the point of impact. This tenses your torso to take shots. Then you have to relax quickly to be able to explode back on the guy. You should move away to diffuse force otherwise, even blocking something could hurt you.

You can't tense your head enough to stop KO's, you just have to make sure that the only target available is the crown of your forhead. That area can take a punch but a strong enough punch will still KO you. A guy who outweighed me by 20lb punched me there w/ 16oz gloves. It felt like i wanted to pass out it hurt so much. Luckily, i didn't.

You can't be angry, you have to be mean. It's the sense that when someone hits you, you want to hit them back harder. You have to keep control of yourself so that you can do your thing. Getting too angry can lead to loss of technique and blowing yourself out.

 

[Inquisitus]

I agree that all men should experience fighting, but you dont necessarily have to go out and pick a streetfight. That's a good way to get seriously fvcked up.

You can get involved in a boxing club or an MMA club---these are everywhere nowadays. There you can spar and get your licks, but it's in a controlled environment. The object there is to learn, not get crazy. Before college I used to do BJJ and I remember after a few weeks my fear of fighting was pretty much gone.

I can't say my fear goes away after sparring a lot. All i can say is that the guys training for amatuer and pro fights, i'm scared off. Especially guys that outweight you by 15+ lbs and are taller. Their cardio, technique, and power is usually better than a recreational guy.

Shorter guys I'm not as afraid off because i can control the distancing. Taller guys are much more difficult. At the end of the day though, you know how much you can take. That's worth a lot to your self confidence.

Of course, i'm talking striking. Not at all experienced with BJJ/Grappling.

 

[Son of anarchy]

The man who dont strike first will be the first struck.

If we listen at our instinct we know that that man whos coming to us screaming is going to attack us,the worst error to do is suppress our instinct and use "culture" to solve a problem that have nothing cultural.
Forget when the teacher told you that the bully was just willing to play or that you cant solve anything with violence its bull**** just like u have to buy flowers to get a girl.
Whetever you like it or not we are the same animal of the last 2 millions years ago,50yrs of pacifism dont change something so ancient just like something decided from humans(culture) cant be as good as something created from nature(instinct).

So i say if u feel deeply that u are going to he struck,strike first...u will find an excuse later when u will be still standing or better yet just tell you dont have to give explanation.

 

[Colossus]

I can't say my fear goes away after sparring a lot. All i can say is that the guys training for amatuer and pro fights, i'm scared off. Especially guys that outweight you by 15+ lbs and are taller. Their cardio, technique, and power is usually better than a recreational guy.

Shorter guys I'm not as afraid off because i can control the distancing. Taller guys are much more difficult. At the end of the day though, you know how much you can take. That's worth a lot to your self confidence.

Of course, i'm talking striking. Not at all experienced with BJJ/Grappling.

Yeah, they are different animals.

I think it's important to have both...but if you had to be really good at only one I would choose grappling. It's much more practical for self-defense and you can nullify boxers. In a straight up kickboxing match I would get my as$ handed to me, no doubt.

Strikers like to think they dont need grappling...until they get dumped on their head. If you're an experienced grappler with some elementary stand-up, you can probably fare well against just about all untrained guys and many strikers. That's why submission guys and ground-n-pounders were so dominant in early mma.

 

[Inquisitus]

Yeah, they are different animals.

I think it's important to have both...but if you had to be really good at only one I would choose grappling. It's much more practical for self-defense and you can nullify boxers. In a straight up kickboxing match I would get my as$ handed to me, no doubt.

Strikers like to think they dont need grappling...until they get dumped on their head. If you're an experienced grappler with some elementary stand-up, you can probably fare well against just about all untrained guys and many strikers. That's why submission guys and ground-n-pounders were so dominant in early mma.

You know you need to grapple when the first time you clinch, you're going huh? while the other guys tees off w/ knees or dirty boxing.

In a street situation, judo and bjj should be fine as long as you've got some training in how to handle strikes. I think boxing with some clinch work is fine too. Of course, against untrained opponents.

 

[Latim]

Had a few amateur Muay thai and K-1 rules fights. To be honest, the adrenaline i felt there was much greater than any street fight i've been in, possibly because of the added pressure of people watching you fight half-naked.

What people don't understand is that being calm doesn't mean that you won't feel any anger or adrenaline pump. It means that IN SPITE of these emotions, you are able to think with a clear head. When i've fought i've been very relaxed even when its a guy on the street who might be bigger... but im still scared ****less inside.

 

[thedude4242]

if your gonna be in a real fight you will get your adrenaline going no matter what unless you are some very advanced martial artists. when people practice fighting, whatever it is, what teflon mcgee said is right. repition makes you better and you can have an average guy who trains all the time and fights, he should be able to beat the tougher guy who is just a regulr guy who doesnt fight train. fighting is stupit. when getting into a fight antagonize the other person like they are a joke after you tell them I am not fighting when in a public place.

 

[speakeasy]

For those of you that train in fighting, think about how wardrobe plays into things. When you are fighting in the dojo or training center, you are wearing clothes appropriate for maximum flexibility. In a bar or club, you may be wearing a pair of low-rise jeans and a thick leather jacket. Now normally with some MMA shorts on, I can send a roundhouse kick to the head of someone equal in my height. When I'm wearing jeans, I can barely get my legs up higher than the waist. So unless I'm just delivering knee strikes, most my kicks are useless. Now if you're wearing a heavy coat, that's going to be a problem too with speed and flexibility. However you good you fight in training, don't expect that same ease on the streets.

 

[Bible_Belt]

agreed. Usually the best advice in a street fight is to kick the other guy in the nuts before he knows that he's fighting. eyes/throat/crotch are the initial targets in the old samurai jiu-jitsu. I have heard of prison gangs teaching a slap, grab, and twist of the testicles as a move of choice. Dirty tricks work, the dirtier the better.

 

[Sisyphus7]

Calm. just watch Fedor Emelianenko...
It would probably be better to ask fighting related questions at http://www.sherdog.net/forums/

 

[Sisyphus7]

If you are a trained fighter it is better to stay calm in most cases. You will tend to have better response times and better precision/accuracy. If you are not, then I don't think it matters too much.

 

[Outsider]

Try to drop the guy with one strike, if that doesn't work keep striking him fast enough that he doesn't have a chance to compose himself, and keep striking until he drops or people pull you off. Strike each time like this is the one that is going to end the fight. Be relentless in a street fight.