When are men going to get this?

[ChristopherColumbus]

This is what men do naturally. This will never stop.

My suggestion: If you're raising a boy, get rid of mainstream television, radio and literature. Control the content that flows into your home. Teach him that the girl is the one who should be giving into HIM. If you do this, everything else will fall into place for him.

Yes, and educate that boy how to control and direct the natural urge in a healthy constructive manner. What more is education and culture for?

I think the great tragedy of our culture is it first went into a Puritanical repressive stage, and then the liberalism that followed, where anything goes, was a reaction to it.

 

[Silko]

The pendulum will eventually swing in the other direction.

Eventually, but never back to what is was. For sure.

Men still have their testosteron, one (too much) more than another.
The more you have, the weaker you will stay/be, unless you train for a strong mind to counter this.
This is what women will never encounter ... and thus that's why the pendulum will never go back 100% to where it was.

 

[Carpathian]

I see so much about game, PA, 7 ways to attract women, blah blah. Men, please stop.

Women have become increasingly entitled and self absorbed. If men could quit gawking, eyeballing, salivating over women and quit obsessing about their c0cks and sex, this whole thing would start to reverse. The onus is on men.

Men are about 20 years behind. Women understood that they have this power and have been implementing it while men just keep gawking. The change has been happening and it feels like men just haven't gotten up to speed.

Quit fawning over women. Stop putting them so high on this pedestal because they are pretty. There is nothing special about that. Quit treating it like it is some casino game with a glittery prize.

Women have such horrible attitudes and behaviors now. Men have enabled them like telling children they can raid a candy shop.

Great first post dude.

I'd also add that many men bring this situation on themselves by not standing up to their girl when they are acting like a princess and are pandering to her whims. You should have your limits as well. Women WANT a man who is strong and shows them boundaries that will not be tolerated if crossed. Instead, many guys act like a bowl of jelly when with an attractive girl.

 

[The Duke]

For all you nasayers that don't understand how the pendulum eventually swings back the other way and every thing in life comes full circle.......read up:

Lets step back in time to the Industrial Revolution.....there were once some very powerful men named Henry Ford(automobile), Andrew Carnegie(steel maker), John Rockefeller(Standard Oil Co), Thomas Edison(Electric), Cornelius Vanderbilt(railroads), and JP Morgan(finance). These men I just listed were the driving force that made this country what it was. They were bold visionairies, took big risks, did things their way, didn't take no for an answer, and rarely settled. They set the tone, and even had the govt by the balls.

In order to accomplish their goals they needed workers. During those times worker conditions were horrible and dangerous by todays manufacturing standards. The wages weren’t great either. As these companies grew so did the problems these workers experienced. Eventually these workers grew fed up with the conditions and created labor unions in order to have some control. Even the STATE got on board and came up with minimum wage requirements, fair labor laws, and govt sanctioned safety watch dogs like OSHA.

As a result, the unions had a strong hold on American manufacturing corporations for a number of years primarily from 1935-1978.
By the 1980s, big American corporations were tired of the wages and working conditions that the UNION was demanding and packed up and moved production to Mexico as well as overseas. The UNION began to lose their strong hold. In the last 10years we’ve seen a lot of manufacturing facilities in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio moved to the southern states to escape the “evil” Unions up north. The majority of the new manufacturing facilities are being built in the south.

What does this have to do with women??? Women organized just like Unions did because they felt they were being mistreated. They felt the MEN(Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Edison, Vanderbilt, Morgan) had too much control. So they kept organizing, obtaining more rights& power, and got the STATE on their side. Now they’ve got all they wanted and still complain, but guess what?

Men are fed up. They are refusing to marry/commit to these entitled, greedy, selfish, fat, lazy women just like the manufacturing companies did when the Unions grew too entitled. Manufacturing companies looked overseas for new workers and states that were easier to do business with. Men have also looked overseas for women that offered what they were looking for. They found out that wasn’t such a good deal so now they’ve decided to refuse marriage.

The price of marriage is too high, so men have stopped signing on. Just like the manufacturing companies stopped signing on American workers. The fastest way to drive change is to take away what means the most to somebody. And marriage is a big thing to women. There’s a reason overall female happiness has declined.

Those stupid biatches got greedy and entitled, thought they could rule the world, but with every passing year brought less and less to the table in terms of what men wanted. Along the way they raised little faggot arse boys out of divorce that don’t contribute(millenials). Now all the women are wondering where all the real MEN went and why the REAL MEN refuse to commit………..News flash pumpkin tits, you don’t offer me a fuhking thing. You can’t cook, you don’t want to clean, you make less money than I do, you are fat, you hair is thinning, you aren’t supportive and loyal, you don’t want to follow my rules. Well then I refuse to marry you! Simple as that. And guess what if you want to deny me that puzzy, then I’ll rent it by the hour or find another girl that will. Until you offer more, I refuse to sign up for the liability. The deck is stacked against REAL MEN that have made something for themselves. Only man-boys with low self esteem and little to offer sign up for marriage these days.

 

[PantyWhisperer]

Those stupid biatches got greedy and entitled, thought they could rule the world, but with every passing year brought less and less to the table in terms of what men wanted. Along the way they raised little faggot arse boys out of divorce that don’t contribute(millenials). Now all the women are wondering where all the real MEN went and why the REAL MEN refuse to commit………..News flash pumpkin tits, you don’t offer me a fuhking thing. You can’t cook, you don’t want to clean, you make less money than I do, you are fat, you hair is thinning, you aren’t supportive and loyal, you don’t want to follow my rules. Well then I refuse to marry you! Simple as that. And guess what if you want to deny me that puzzy, then I’ll rent it by the hour or find another girl that will. Until you offer more, I refuse to sign up for the liability. The deck is stacked against REAL MEN that have made something for themselves. Only man-boys with low self esteem and little to offer sign up for marriage these days.

I absolutely love this bolded part, but it's too long for a tshirt or a bumper sticker!!

 

[Graeme]

A lot of that MUA stuff is just stepping up their own standards. Not that long ago I would be fine with a girl next door type but now I'm pretty much only looking for the MUA contour type girl. I haven't improved that much aesthetically and I don't make that much more money, but the quality of female aesthetics went up which raised my own standards. They have to do more work for the same guy.

But this kind of is what I am talking about. Men need to quit looking. You don't have to be a monk, just have a ge

A lot of that MUA stuff is just stepping up their own standards. Not that long ago I would be fine with a girl next door type but now I'm pretty much only looking for the MUA contour type girl. I haven't improved that much aesthetically and I don't make that much more money, but the quality of female aesthetics went up which raised my own standards. They have to do more work for the same guy.

But this is kind of what I am talking about. Men need to stop chasing and looking except for in a disinterested way. Men need to forget about their c0cks and obsession with pretty girls and sex. Things would be much different if men stood strong and quit playing any game.

 

[Graeme]

Indeed.

The pendulum will eventually swing in the other direction.

Every side is in constant competition for power and advantage. When one side has the power.. the other side gradually becomes more sophisticated until they take the power back. This is how women got power through feminism. Now that more men are waking up.. its only a matter of time before men take the power back again. Its a cycle.

For now.. men just need to stop being morons and allowing women to set their priorities and values for them.

Agree. Men need to quit being so dumb. It is pathetic. To a woman who has learned the ropes, she just laughs at these pathetic men that keep piling up in front of her. It has gotten so bad now that even mildly attractive and plain women have the affliction of power privledge.

 

[Graeme]

Great first post dude.

I'd also add that many men bring this situation on themselves by not standing up to their girl when they are acting like a princess and are pandering to her whims. You should have your limits as well. Women WANT a man who is strong and shows them boundaries that will not be tolerated if crossed. Instead, many guys act like a bowl of jelly when with an attractive girl.

Right, this is the part that needs to be unlearned. Men need to do a REAL man up and ditch women. Not all together, keep conversation and relations with women as need be, but forget their C0CKS!

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Right, this is the part that needs to be unlearned. Men need to do a REAL man up and ditch women. Not all together, keep conversation and relations with women as need be, but forget their C0CKS!

Well, there seems to be two types frequenting this forum. The first that want to game the majority of girls out there, and then those that have learnt to restrain themselves and are in search of that elusive quality woman [The Hunting of the Snark comes to mind]. I guess the 'Mature Man' forum is for the second group..

 

[imported]

Well, there seems to be two types frequenting this forum. The first that want to game the majority of girls out there, and then those that have learnt to restrain themselves and are in search of that elusive quality woman

When I was younger I was looking for the 'quality' woman. Now that I'm in my late 20's with improve finances, aesthetics and style I find myself trying to game the majority of girls. Quality is important, but quantity comes first. I'm not so you sure you can connect either behavior as being more or less mature over the other.

 

[Silko]

When I was younger I was looking for the 'quality' woman. Now that I'm in my late 20's with improve finances, aesthetics and style I find myself trying to game the majority of girls. Quality is important, but quantity comes first. I'm not so you sure you can connect either behavior as being more or less mature over the other.

Everyone (I may hope) looks for that quality. But the quality each of us is searching for is less wide spread. To higher your 'chance' it is better to go for quantity. The older you become, the more age-pressure you start to feel to 'hurry' ... but is actually unnecessary stress.

Investing in time to discover quality makes it worth, instead of chaining.

 

[El Payaso]

For all you nasayers that don't understand how the pendulum eventually swings back the other way and every thing in life comes full circle.......read up:

Lets step back in time to the Industrial Revolution.....there were once some very powerful men named Henry Ford(automobile), Andrew Carnegie(steel maker), John Rockefeller(Standard Oil Co), Thomas Edison(Electric), Cornelius Vanderbilt(railroads), and JP Morgan(finance). These men I just listed were the driving force that made this country what it was. They were bold visionairies, took big risks, did things their way, didn't take no for an answer, and rarely settled. They set the tone, and even had the govt by the balls.

In order to accomplish their goals they needed workers. During those times worker conditions were horrible and dangerous by todays manufacturing standards. The wages weren’t great either. As these companies grew so did the problems these workers experienced. Eventually these workers grew fed up with the conditions and created labor unions in order to have some control. Even the STATE got on board and came up with minimum wage requirements, fair labor laws, and govt sanctioned safety watch dogs like OSHA.

As a result, the unions had a strong hold on American manufacturing corporations for a number of years primarily from 1935-1978.
By the 1980s, big American corporations were tired of the wages and working conditions that the UNION was demanding and packed up and moved production to Mexico as well as overseas. The UNION began to lose their strong hold. In the last 10years we’ve seen a lot of manufacturing facilities in Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio moved to the southern states to escape the “evil” Unions up north. The majority of the new manufacturing facilities are being built in the south.

What does this have to do with women??? Women organized just like Unions did because they felt they were being mistreated. They felt the MEN(Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Edison, Vanderbilt, Morgan) had too much control. So they kept organizing, obtaining more rights& power, and got the STATE on their side. Now they’ve got all they wanted and still complain, but guess what?

Men are fed up. They are refusing to marry/commit to these entitled, greedy, selfish, fat, lazy women just like the manufacturing companies did when the Unions grew too entitled. Manufacturing companies looked overseas for new workers and states that were easier to do business with. Men have also looked overseas for women that offered what they were looking for. They found out that wasn’t such a good deal so now they’ve decided to refuse marriage.

The price of marriage is too high, so men have stopped signing on. Just like the manufacturing companies stopped signing on American workers. The fastest way to drive change is to take away what means the most to somebody. And marriage is a big thing to women. There’s a reason overall female happiness has declined.

Those stupid biatches got greedy and entitled, thought they could rule the world, but with every passing year brought less and less to the table in terms of what men wanted. Along the way they raised little faggot arse boys out of divorce that don’t contribute(millenials). Now all the women are wondering where all the real MEN went and why the REAL MEN refuse to commit………..News flash pumpkin tits, you don’t offer me a fuhking thing. You can’t cook, you don’t want to clean, you make less money than I do, you are fat, you hair is thinning, you aren’t supportive and loyal, you don’t want to follow my rules. Well then I refuse to marry you! Simple as that. And guess what if you want to deny me that puzzy, then I’ll rent it by the hour or find another girl that will. Until you offer more, I refuse to sign up for the liability. The deck is stacked against REAL MEN that have made something for themselves. Only man-boys with low self esteem and little to offer sign up for marriage these days.

There are unions in the south...

 

[The Duke]

There are unions in the south...

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/manufacturing-jobs-making-comeback-southern-u-s-1C7660234

Companies are taking advantage of state- and local-funded business incentives and convenient transportation routes, as well as the Southeastern U.S.’s lower cost of living and a largely non-union labor force that’s inexpensive relative to other parts of the country.

Never said they didn't. They aren't as organized and don't have the numbers like they do up north. I've worked in manufacturing the past 20yrs. I'm fully aware of what is happening.

 

[Alvafe]

Everyone (I may hope) looks for that quality. But the quality each of us is searching for is less wide spread. To higher your 'chance' it is better to go for quantity. The older you become, the more age-pressure you start to feel to 'hurry' ... but is actually unnecessary stress.

Investing in time to discover quality makes it worth, instead of chaining.

who feel the age calling is woman not men, the oler we get better we get, woman the older they get, they get old

 

[Who Dares Win]

who feel the age calling is woman not men, the oler we get better we get, woman the older they get, they get old

Agree on that, the older I get the less I give a fvck about social pressure.

For me is all libido and adding lines to my count not any different than adding weights on the bench press or numbers in my bank account.

 

[Huffman]

Stop putting them so high on this pedestal because they are pretty. There is nothing special about that.

All good to write and read on the forum, but you can only get it after you've experienced those pretty girls hands-on
Long way to go for some, I think it's perfectly OK to do a little "PUA" for a while and then later take a step back and see things for what they are.