Whats your opinion on PUA's?

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I'm pretty sure many of you know what PUA's are. Like I said in my previous threads, I'm new to this and I'm trying to learn as much as possible from anyone who has rational and sensible advice.

I first started watching PUA's like Todd Valentine, RSDTyler, and a few more on Youtube in October of 2018. As many of you know, they teach subtle things to say/do in order to get into girls head and in a way, manipulate them.

What is your opinion PUA's and do you think they hold some truth or are just full of bs?
 

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Some of the tips etc can help you get laid quicker and smoother, but ONLY with girls who were already attracted to you.
No 'game' will help with that part. (Her thinking you are hot). And that's the most important part lol. A pre-requisite to getting laid with a random girl
''Game'' isn't some sort of black magic/jedi mind trick where if you know all the secret lines and routines and body language etc, you can just force sexual attraction in a girl unfortunately

There are non-handsome PUA's that get laid, but if you knew how many approaches it takes them (after they cherry pick their best infields and delete their brutal rejections) you'd be less impressed!! They kind of get laid in spite of their game as opposed to because of it. With enough approaches, even a conventionally ugly guy will find a fairly hot girl who thinks he's kinda handsome. I know this for fact based on my own life lol

As mark Manson said, 'game is about amplifying existing attraction' (in YES girls and MAYBE girls). And not 'creating attaction'. That can't be done. You're either her physical type, or you aren't. You'll know within about 2 seconds (if you are socially aware) what category you are in
 

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I'm pretty sure many of you know what PUA's are. Like I said in my previous threads, I'm new to this and I'm trying to learn as much as possible from anyone who has rational and sensible advice.

I first started watching PUA's like Todd Valentine, RSDTyler, and a few more on Youtube in October of 2018. As many of you know, they teach subtle things to say/do in order to get into girls head and in a way, manipulate them.

What is your opinion PUA's and do you think they hold some truth or are just full of bs?
Most PUA teachings are garbage imo. Some advise is good though.

My best advice is to do what works for you and discard the rest.

You can go a lot further by improving yourself and just learning indicators of interest. Tricks don’t really work.
 

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Strongly recommend seeing what you can learn and testing it out. I've found that a lot of it holds up. Currently rereading the Yareally archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20170708123013/http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/11/ He used to post on The Rational Male back in the day--definitely changed my life.

That said, if you're doing it right, it's less about trying to model yourself after someone else and get by on gimmicks and more trying different things to learn more about yourself and picking what works. Unfortunately, RSDJulien deleted almost all of his game stuff of YouTube--his stuff was great.

You'll find there are a lot of game deniers here and elsewhere. But everyone's running game, all the time. We're all just repeating behavior that we think will get us approval. The only difference is if you're aware of what your doing & why.
 

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Strongly recommend seeing what you can learn and testing it out. I've found that a lot of it holds up. Currently rereading the Yareally archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20170708123013/http://yareallyarchive.com/2016/11/ He used to post on The Rational Male back in the day--definitely changed my life.

That said, if you're doing it right, it's less about trying to model yourself after someone else and get by on gimmicks and more trying different things to learn more about yourself and picking what works. Unfortunately, RSDJulien deleted almost all of his game stuff of YouTube--his stuff was great.

You'll find there are a lot of game deniers here and elsewhere. But everyone's running game, all the time. We're all just repeating behavior that we think will get us approval. The only difference is if you're aware of what your doing & why.
I've read yeareally. What things have you used of his? How does a typical approach in a bar look for you, verbally? How does the first 5 mins look. How do you open? What sorts of things do you say?

You mention Julien, too. I'm actually in the process of experimenting with doing the opposite of what he says! He's big on 'breaking rapport' on the open etc (commanding ''You!! who are you?!!'' kind of thing), but I find that UK girls here HATE any kind of break rapport so early on (and react in an almost combative, hostile way) and am gonna try a more rapport seeking opening/transitioning style, more like Tyler
 

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I can appreciate it now, but I needed a clearly defined proper system at the time - like jiu-jitsu or something. I did need validation of many things, and that's completely normal.
What is your defined system you now use? What does your typical convo look like for the first 3 mins or so in a bar. How you open, transition etc.
I'll demo your 'system' tomorrow night!
cheers
 

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PUAs that you see online all have the same schtick. Most of their background stories are all the same. "I used to be terrible with chicks, then I learned this 'method', then I was swan diving in pvssy, and while doing this I found my GF, wife, BEA... and now I'm happy. For a fee, I'll tell you what I did."

Since really most of what they teach does work, it's all just regurgitated Doc Love and/or Mystery Method stuff. Go ahead and use them... really it's not going to hut you. I think they do help guys that are completely clueless about human nature.

Then just develop self-disciple with diet, exercise, and style that WORKS FOR YOU. You would likely do better if you hired a good life coach rather than a PUA, because what you really need to do is get rid of bad habits and adopt good ones.

Then practice with women, make dates and get some experience. Like others have honestly stated, it all starts with who you are as a person, then playing the numbers game and look for chicks that like you. At that point it's more about not doing stupid sh!t to screw up.
 

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I've read yeareally. What things have you used of his? How does a typical approach in a bar look for you, verbally? How does the first 5 mins look. How do you open? What sorts of things do you say?

You mention Julien, too. I'm actually in the process of experimenting with doing the opposite of what he says! He's big on 'breaking rapport' on the open etc (commanding ''You!! who are you?!!'' kind of thing), but I find that UK girls here HATE any kind of break rapport so early on (and react in an almost combative, hostile way) and am gonna try a more rapport seeking opening/transitioning style, more like Tyler
There are a couple main things I took away from both of them:
  • Take action—actually approach
  • Laser eye contact
  • Tonality
  • Cut space
  • Lead
  • 100% Self Belief/Frame/Congruence
  • Self amusement
  • Let her experience you
  • Abundance--even if you fvck up 1000 times, there will always be more girls
I like reading about the other nuances as well, but when I’m out that’s it. I don’t over complicate things and keep things flexible. Each of those is something you can practice and then you don't have to think about those either--it just becomes who you are. In fact, I'd just block off a month to master each of those things and then you never have to worry about them again. (Self-belief and Abundance are lifetime efforts--no easy fixes there).

Approach (Changing up some of the wording/details in case any girls are out there doing google searches lol):
  • Ideally my opener is contextual, but my fallback for when I don't have anything is: “Why are you over here acting like you're better than everybody." (Most people think of themselves as being 'nice' people and care what others think = immediate qualification). Or "Hey, you're [whatever adjective]. I want you to meet me."
  • Quickly address group: "Introduce me to your friends." Repeat names, add value.
  • Do a quick cold read of the relationship/dynamic. "Oh, you're the responsible friend. She's the wild one." (Girl I like is always the wild one). Talk up all the dudes, troll the girls a little bit.
  • From there it's pretty much being natural & listening to your instincts, which is harder than it sounds.
  • Joke about her style, her jobs, my job--always act like I have a super low status job that I can riff on in funny ways. Basically, the less you give a fvck about impressing them the better.
I don't get too technical--at the end of the day, I want girls that I want and that want me. If I have to do anything that goes against my values to make us seem compatible, fvck it. I'm also very honest--girls know exactly what they get with me. Costs me plenty of lays, but saves drama. If they're not down for what I'm down for, then cool, plenty of girls will be. But I do know how to handle social objections and sh1t tests, and the only way to learn by those things is practice.

As far as UK girls, it's less about them and more about you. You have to find the game that fits you. Chances are breaking rapport just isn't congruent to you and that's why it bombs. It may never be, but you won't know til you try on a couple hats. I tend to lean that way most of the time--though not nearly to the extreme Julien does--and it's worked on girls from all over. But I also balance it out by being a genuinely decent dude at the end of the day--I'm not out to hurt feelings, break down anyone's self-esteem, make anyone feel badly about themselves, or any of that. If a girl wants too much negative emotions (and plenty do), I'm good peacing out on that. I don't like being around those kind of people. So I kind of ride that edge, and adjust based on my natural chemistry with the girl.

Which is what you should do too. It doesn't have to look a certain way--just a handful of core rules, and you can break those later.
 
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There was another guy who went through it, first 100 approaches that I and fastlife for sure I remember tried to help out. Can't remember the name, and my old account is gone, but bigneil used to do a "hottest sosuave girls" thing, and the girl he picked up was Ukranian and topped it. People can look that stuff up if they can be bothered.
I forgot about him lol. The success stories are rare, but that's because the guys that actually take the time to deal with a little rejection are rare. A lot of them take what they need and disappear, which is probably the logical thing to do with all the negativity and victim-mentality.

The only reason I still come back from time to time is because I feel compelled to pay it forward--strangers on the internet taking the time to write some stuff down probably saved my life and, if not my life, my freedom definitely. Just have to throw things out there and hope something sticks.
 

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To me, the best parts of PUA technique is to at least act like you just not give a fuuck, and to pick up on Indications Of Interest. I refuse to believe that a woman that is not interested in a man could ever be gamed into being gotten.
 
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