What's the real reason why women today are chasing after bad boys?

[sharkbeat]

Women are interested in both betas and alphas, but women can only fvck men who can lead. AFCs, chumps, beta faggot white knights, whatever you call it, can't lead. Even though women are throwing signals left and right, they still can't act on them. "Bad boys", even though not proven alpha and can be bad leaders, initiate and lead.

Being in prisons with tattoos don't make you alphas, but they do create the mystery, and women are intrigued. If they really are alpha, they should be smarter and not get caught in the first place.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Women are interested in both betas and alphas, but women can only fvck men who can lead. AFCs, chumps, beta faggot white knights, whatever you call it, can't lead. Even though women are throwing signals left and right, they still can't act on them. "Bad boys", even though not proven alpha and can be bad leaders, initiate and lead.

Being in prisons with tattoos don't make you alphas, but they do create the mystery, and women are intrigued. If they really are alpha, they should be smarter and not get caught in the first place.

This is a good point. A bad boy is often times just some one who is willing and able to lead or even slum with more girls. Of course he's going to have more sex.

For example the members of the Beatles, McCartney especially, probably could've banged more women than most anyone, but as far as I know they mostly stayed fairly true to their serious girl/wife. Whereas some members of Led Zepplin did engage in a lot of groupies. There's probably better examples. But the point is it's not about alpha/bad boy it's more about the sexual opportunity is there despite that for other reasons and it's a matter of leading or taking the opportunities or not.

 

[dasein]

Technology. Pill + abortion = hypergamy with nowhere near the risks of the past. This and modern telecomm/net and a dash of gynocentric law and culture is why we realize more of this today. It's always gone on, just not as visible.

 

[Rubirosa]

Does the SMV of the female count ? Who's more alpha ?......The guy who bangs only hot babes ( which by definition are above the norm, therefore fewer in existence ), or the guy who tears through large numbers of female society (fat ,ugly, old) ?
I don't think Alpha can be defined by sexual conquest. Yeah, guys on death row get marriage proposals, but have you seen some of the women who are proposing ?
Chicks are like guys.....They want to bang a hot member of the opposite sex. Sometimes money or status, or both, can make a woman ease up on her physical standards. Alpha falls into the "status" category.

 

[Speculator E]

It may be a natural drive for most all women to desire to monopolize a few men and for men to a desire to monopolize all women. But that's about as far as I think you can go with the natural order argument. I mean you could say it's the natural order for people to steal, lie and cheat, rape and kill each other, but what does that prove? That everyone who does that has better genes too? Everyone else in the group is going to naturally try to resist it.

The problem I have with the argument is "alpha" and "beta" is not really defined other than to claim alphas must have better genes to pass on and betas have worse genes. Can we really say that? One alpha male's genes aren't necessarily going to be the best match for a given female. I think the gene argument is speculative at best. Women are just attracted to the best looks, and/or most wealth and status.

I think if you look at most of history from tribes to civilizations, women primarily married off as young virgins. Women didn't just slvt around with a minority of guys and it was considered acceptable.

I don't think we have ever seen feminism anywhere near like we have in the 20th century. Feminism isn't the natural order. I do agree feminism destroys civilizations though.

My argument is women today are just stupid, deluded and have no constraints and don't even realize they are trying to date out of their leagues.

That was my point about civilization. For civilization to work it requires people to have some self-control of their basal emotions and instinct. So they can focus their energy and building a future. That's why good men don't rape or steal or kill. That's why good women are virgins and don't go slvtting around. You ever watch some of the commercials around the 1950's? Most of them had the message of being social and being nice to your neighbors. For wifes to respect their husbands. And for men to be strong. There were respect and honesty were valued. Don't believe me, just watch some old movies. There are tons of classics on youtube:

A Wonderful Life
Gone With the Wind
War of the Worlds
Spartacus

Just to name a few.

 

[Speculator E]

I think this had the potential to be a great thread with an interesting discussion. Even the initial question about why women are attracted to bad boys is a good one.

But all this alpha versus beta stuff just creates more confusion because there is no clear definition of either in the Community.

I think people are TOO fixated on the definition of alpha/beta. If we're gonna keep debating about what it means to be alpha or beta, then we might as well abandon this thread because it's been debated a thousand times before and it's trivial.

 

[zekko]

I don't see how the definition of alpha and beta is trivial at all. IMO, discussing something without even having defined terms is complete madness.

And just to add to the confusion, I really do not believe that "alpha" and "bad boy" are interchangeable terms. They are two differrnt things.

 

[Speculator E]

I don't see how the definition of alpha and beta is trivial at all. IMO, discussing something without even having defined terms is complete madness.

And just to add to the confusion, I really do not believe that "alpha" and "bad boy" are interchangeable terms. They are two differrnt things.

It is trivial because it is on the same level as asking what makes a hot babe a 10, 9, or 8. You ask a thousand guys and you get a thousand different answer. Therefore people will never reach an agreement. Like hot babe, everyone has their own rating system for alphaness. LOL

 

[zekko]

You ask a thousand guys and you get a thousand different answer. Therefore people will never reach an agreement.

True enough.

For example the members of the Beatles, McCartney especially, probably could've banged more women than most anyone, but as far as I know they mostly stayed fairly true to their serious girl/wife.

I've heard tales of infidelity about Harrison and Lennon, at least. There's a famous story of Lennon loudly banging some girl at a party whie Yoko was in the next room, embarassed and furious. McCartney may have been faithful to his wife, but he married last and had plenty of experience with Swinging London.

When the Beatles played in Hamburg during the early days, they stayed in a very seedy side of town, and were favorites of many of the strippers and prostitutes in the area. Point is, I think they had their share of sexual experiences.

In most social mammals, those higher up on the pecking order exhibit more aggression because they can

The highest on the pecking order are alphas. I see nothing in the term "bad boy" to suggest that such a person is highest on the pecking order of anything.

Referring to the original post, I actually don't see women chasing after bad boys where I live. Bad boys chase after girls. Sometimes they catch them. Usually they try for a HB8 or HB7 but have to settle for a HB4. Where I live, women chase tall, good looking men. Or good looking men who have a large physical presence (the "protector" type). Bad boys are nothing special. I don't know why the manosphere is always jostling in line to try to svck their c0cks.

 

[nismo-4]

I think this had the potential to be a great thread with an interesting discussion. Even the initial question about why women are attracted to bad boys is a good one.

But all this alpha versus beta stuff just creates more confusion because there is no clear definition of either in the Community.

Here's some clarity.

Women go for bad boys because they are not weak nor do they pedestalize pu$$y. Nice guys mainly get the girls in the movies. In real life, nice guys get frequent flyer miles on Friendzone Airlines. BTW, nice guys don't make the 'gina tingle. Women are indifferent when a nice guy drops them for this very reason. And 5 minutes of alpha beats 5 years, hell, decades even, of beta. An alpha leads and has a woman dancing to his tune, and will drop the woman if she doesn't. Betas cater to the women at all times and might as well be on a leash, with her leading him on.

Oh yeah,

1. Alpha fux, beta bux.
2. Alpha lays, beta pays.

A beta will fall under Briffault's Law, and is more likely to get married. Hey he ain't got a variety of pu$$y anyway! Alphas however, get so much pu$$y because these women who give it to him are trying to lock him down. And of course, they hardly ever do.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Referring to the original post, I actually don't see women chasing after bad boys where I live. Bad boys chase after girls. Sometimes they catch them. Usually they try for a HB8 or HB7 but have to settle for a HB4. Where I live, women chase tall, good looking men. Or good looking men who have a large physical presence (the "protector" type). Bad boys are nothing special. I don't know why the manosphere is always jostling in line to try to svck their c0cks.

Where do you live Zekko?

Just wondering. From what I see.. women almost always prefer bad boys for SEX. When it comes to commitment and relationships.. not so much.

Most men in "relationships" are beta fags. Most men f*cking lots of women are bad boys / DJ's / Alphas.

There is the man who makes her tingle down there vs. the man that makes her feel secure and in control. To make a woman feel secure and in control, you have to submit to her and give her a good amount of power. You have to follow "relationship rules". This makes you a faggot.

 

[zekko]

Most bad boys I know are products of broken homes, and may have been molested when they were kids. They're similar to bad girls in that respect. They have no superior genes, and are just as average than anyone else. I certainly wouldn't consider them alphas. They are just as likely to pedestalize pvssy as anyone else, maybe moreso, because they don't have much going for them.

As I said, the girls I see go for the tall, good looking guys, or the good looking well built guys. Bad boys don't impress me, never have.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Bad boys don't impress me, never have.

Bad boys don't impress YOU? I didn't know you were batting for the other team bro. I didn't know they were supposed to impress you.

We are talking about what types of men that make women wet.. NOT what types of men give Zekko a boner. :crackup: :crackup:

 

[DJ SO STEVE]

Most bad boys I know are products of broken homes, and may have been molested when they were kids. They're similar to bad girls in that respect. They have no superior genes, and are just as average than anyone else. I certainly wouldn't consider them alphas. They are just as likely to pedestalize pvssy as anyone else, maybe moreso, because they don't have much going for them.

As I said, the girls I see go for the tall, good looking guys, or the good looking well built guys. Bad boys don't impress me, never have.

Coming from a broken home, or being molested has nothing to do with being a bad boy. However its understandable that different demographics can change the bad boy / nice guy ratio. We have to look at this in a third person point of view as there are many variables some of which are age, region, and culture.

As myself currently in my thirties, I do notice as women mature they care less about bad boys and would rather prefer a beta. Which means caring less about power/looks, instead they go for someone who is stable, grounded, has a decent job, and can provide for their future family. This is PSYC 101 folks

 

[Stagger Lee]

I've heard tales of infidelity about Harrison and Lennon, at least. There's a famous story of Lennon loudly banging some girl at a party whie Yoko was in the next room, embarassed and furious. McCartney may have been faithful to his wife, but he married last and had plenty of experience with Swinging London.

When the Beatles played in Hamburg during the early days, they stayed in a very seedy side of town, and were favorites of many of the strippers and prostitutes in the area. Point is, I think they had their share of sexual experiences.

I'm sure they did have a share of sexual encounters. My point is they weren't known as being particularly bad boys yet were highly desired by many women. They could've slept with a lot more women easily.

A "bad boy" is simply a guy that is attractive to women for various reasons and sexually takes on many girls. But where I disagree with some is that being a bad boy itself causes women to be attracted and receptive or that it's about better genes.

The real definition:

Bad boy/alpha=A good looking guy with some status who creates attraction and slums with a lot of girls.

Beta/loser/creep= A non good looking guy without status who wants to slum with a lot of girls but doesn't succeed much. (usually believes if he tries to act like a "bad boy" he'll attract girls like a real "bad boy")

Omega/AFC-A non good looking guy without status who wants to pedestal women.

 

[potato]

Just a few thoughts on this whole alpha male warrior thing and alpha vs. beta in general.

It seems to me that throughout my life that I have repeatedly cultivated friendships/partnerships with guys who were the stereotypical alpha warrior type - tall, tough guy who seemed to easily take charge in any situation. I’ve used them much as I’ve used women. Feed their ego; let them think what they want to think. Thing is, whenever trouble arose, it was they who did the dirty work, not me. Some guy comes around and wants to start a fight; I let my “alpha” friend knock the guy around.

It seems to me that it is the betas, gammas, deltas, epsilons… who procreate more, they are the ones who make up the great masses. Evolution prefers it this way. Some of the biggest losers I know have many children and often with a less than preferable wife(s) and/or girlfriend(s). It is the betas, the less intelligent, the less good looking who oppose abortion. They take their advantage in numbers.

An alpha, a king doesn’t have a need for a dozen children. He only needs one, possibly two. Any more and his line gets spread unbearably thin. With only a couple of children, more resources and attention can been afforded each - their success thus more assured. They take their advantage in superiority.

 

[potato]

…I mean I agree that men will mate unselectively, but I believe it is actually men who are best at determining whether a mate has the best genes. My point is today with feminism things are off kilter and not good. Women are making all the decisions today and they are not supposed to be.

I’ve never mated unselectively. To mate unselectively implies that men will pretty much have sex with anything with a vagina, or at least a suitable hole. Not me - ever! That is beta thinking. I like to say that I’m after the queen, why would I go for her maid?

It is said that women do the choosing, but if they are choosing just a few men (alphas, I presume) then those few men will be doing a little choosing of their own.

I have two children, raised them myself, both from the same mother. I chose her on the basis of wanting the best children. That is to say that I selected her for her genes. I tossed her aside when I no longer needed her. She never made decisions for me or the children and not always for herself either.

Feminsim? Are you scared of girls? There are certain species of spiders where after sex the female eats the male. Some of the males will stick his foot in her mouth, forcing it to stay open until he is done, thus avoiding the fate of his lesser rivals.

 

[potato]

I’ve had women call me a “bad boy” or the somewhat equivalent, “man child”. It seems to me that such thinking, on the part of the women, comes from a sense of comfort and security and at the same time wanting to take care of you. Sometimes a woman just wants to be a bad girl. Apparently it takes a bad boy to make a girl feel like a bad girl.

There is something else I see quite frequently. There will be a somewhat hot looking girl with some piece of human garbage guy. It seems to me that these pairings are what some confuse as a woman going for a bad boy. In these cases, if one takes the time to look into the affairs of the pairing, one often finds that even though the women might look good, she has mental, emotional and drug problems. No sane guy would keep her around for long. She has to go to the scum for her drugs, might as well use him for company too. Besides, if she gives it up regularly, the drugs are free.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Today, the western world is full of beta males because it was mostly beta males who marry and have kids. Could this be nature's way of bringing the balance back? Could nature be trying to get more alpha males to pass on their genes and create more alpha sons?

Flaw in your logic.

This is not the case, today the western world is full of 'alphas'. That's why you are watching the destruction of the 1st world. Beta males build societies and have children, alphas sit around and do nothing but fvck and destroy.

The middle east is extremely beta as is China and Russia... beta in that they are betas with a system in place so that the average beta male has access to women, marriage and a good life. That system was destroyed in the West and now the only way to have any shred of existence is to take on 'alpha' characteristics. It is a sad time for the 1st world.

I've still yet to meet a man here who needs to Alpha his way into a woman's pants. Its a beta led society with checks and balances still in place. You provide stability, she gives you children. You build a life for your children and others, the economy is a direct result of this. If your economy is in the sh1tter, have a look at your birth-rate and number of single parent households and I think you'll find some corellation between the two. No children/stable family = No confidence in the economy.

Obsession with alpha being the thing to attain is what keeps our society down. Betas abroad don't give a sh1t, they are busy building money for king and country. You can't have a stable economy without a world built FOR beta males. Feminism has basically destroyed everything that was built so Beta males could access pvssy. If everyone has enough, no one really cares about having more than the other except the genetically flawed 'True Alpha' males. BTW there is not ONE single 'Alpha male' on this entire forum... the true alphas are usually in jail or on a talk show going on about their baby mama. True Alphas are losers.

hah, my wife just brought up a good point, Spiders are single mothers. Everyone hates spiders, is it any surprise?

 

[Solomon]

'True Alpha' males. BTW there is not ONE single 'Alpha male' on this entire forum... the true alphas are usually in jail or on a talk show going on about their baby mama. True Alphas are losers.

hah, my wife just brought up a good point, Spiders are single mothers. Everyone hates spiders, is it any surprise?

I always laugh at threads like these because of the mental masturbation that ensues. But I agree with the statement above, I have yet to meet an alpha who has the need to say that he is "Alpha" but I've met a few of these "clowns" on this (and other) website and it's easy to portray yourself as some sort of a bada$$ on a forum when IRL these guys are a losers.