What's the end game?

[New_Journey]

Hello members,

Last month I turned 35, I've been in this forum and others for over 3 years now. I've read/watched many stories of men who have the guts to ask for help cause their marriage is bad. Millionaires getting divorced, you and me know people who's marriages are bad. Even "insert good looking famous man" getting divorced.

We see how society is fvcked up, we see how women can be "unhappy" and just break a family apart without remorse when even "family" court encourags it, we see how social media fuels women's ego and delusion and we top it off with online dating. With pretty much hear how dating is bad today.

Some people say the pendulum will swing the other way, we hear some story of a woman proud to be a wife and a mother.

This is seduction forum, but I ask you, what happens after you get that squared away? What happens after you know you can seduce any woman? What is your end game? Having kids knowing how society is? Getting married? Using women just for sex (ironic)?

 

[Clockwerk50]

About seven years ago or so, I was helping someone close to me fix the eavestroughs on my house. After a couple of hours of work, I was hungry and tired, and it was well past lunchtime. I casually asked him if we were done, and he responded with, “the job never ends.”

I will probably take those words to my grave.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

This is seduction forum, but I ask you, what happens after you get that squared away? What happens after you know you can seduce any woman? What is your end game? Having kids knowing how society is? Getting married? Using women just for sex (ironic)?

The pursuit of happiness. The idea about life is finding that which makes you happy and pursuing that. Nothing more. Some find happiness in marriage with kids, others in amassing great wealth or travelling around the world.

 

[Vanderdonck]

This is seduction forum, but I ask you, what happens after you get that squared away? What happens after you know you can seduce any woman? What is your end game? Having kids knowing how society is? Getting married? Using women just for sex (ironic)?

First, I would say that life for me was not a "first this, then that" deal. I was always working on numerous facets, not waiting til I got good at seduction.

I think "end game" is too black/white and focuses too much on a nebulous moment in time. It's another way of saying "when you're on your deathbed, do you want..." The only moment is now.

Just listen to what YOU want. Be that the single life, married, children, a monk, whatever. Once I learned I could seduce any woman, I found them less interesting over all. I'm with one now but if I were single I'd be out killing it. In fact I go out and kill it anyway because women are drawn to me because I don't care. It's all because I'm comfortable with my decisions and know that if things change I'll do great. Like the magazine used to say, what me worry?

 

[justaroundthecorner]

Hello members,

Last month I turned 35, I've been in this forum and others for over 3 years now. I've read/watched many stories of men who have the guts to ask for help cause their marriage is bad. Millionaires getting divorced, you and me know people who's marriages are bad. Even "insert good looking famous man" getting divorced.

We see how society is fvcked up, we see how women can be "unhappy" and just break a family apart without remorse when even "family" court encourags it, we see how social media fuels women's ego and delusion and we top it off with online dating. With pretty much hear how dating is bad today.

Some people say the pendulum will swing the other way, we hear some story of a woman proud to be a wife and a mother.

This is seduction forum, but I ask you, what happens after you get that squared away? What happens after you know you can seduce any woman? What is your end game? Having kids knowing how society is? Getting married? Using women just for sex (ironic)?

Some guys just want to have fun around indefinitely, some guys wants to build something that will last past their lifetime (family), some are after academic achievements, some want to see the whole world and do not care about things like saving money or spending them on other ppl needs etc. You decide what do you want from life. Going after pleasure has its costs and limits. Same for going for stability - I prefer to have stability and family, deep in myself I want to build something for my close ones. It has its limits (if I make such a decision, I am limiting myself in conscious manner from meeting other women). If you are mostly after your own pleasure and comfort and your "giver" side is limited to spending money on golddiggers or hookers in some ways you aren't a fully mature person in my opinion but "sensation hunters" may think otherwise. You have only one life so it's better to choose wisely.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The End Game entails every last one of us ending up in a mortuary, a ditch, or fed alive to crocodiles by a Sao Paoloan drug kingpin's henchmen, somewhere in the(hopefully distant)future

Between now and then, the goal is to create a rich and fulfilling existence, plus provide our fellow humans with the proficiencies to do likewise

 

[FlirtLife]

This is seduction forum, but I ask you, what happens after you get that squared away? What happens after you know you can seduce any woman? What is your end game? Having kids knowing how society is? Getting married? Using women just for sex (ironic)?

A number of PUA gurus have left the game and gotten married. If you go that route, a prenup costs a couple thousand before, and saves half your wealth later.

 

[New_Journey]

A number of PUA gurus have left the game and gotten married. If you go that route, a prenup costs a couple thousand before, and saves half your wealth later.

I was engaged, I made a prenup online and took it to the notary. I just don't see any benefits in getting married.

 

[The Duke]

Hello members,

Last month I turned 35, I've been in this forum and others for over 3 years now. I've read/watched many stories of men who have the guts to ask for help cause their marriage is bad. Millionaires getting divorced, you and me know people who's marriages are bad. Even "insert good looking famous man" getting divorced.

We see how society is fvcked up, we see how women can be "unhappy" and just break a family apart without remorse when even "family" court encourags it, we see how social media fuels women's ego and delusion and we top it off with online dating. With pretty much hear how dating is bad today.

Some people say the pendulum will swing the other way, we hear some story of a woman proud to be a wife and a mother.

This is seduction forum, but I ask you, what happens after you get that squared away? What happens after you know you can seduce any woman? What is your end game? Having kids knowing how society is? Getting married? Using women just for sex (ironic)?

You keep seducing more women! Hopefully younger, better looking, and more stable brains. Always push yourself to get better.

I never wanted kids, and I've been married before and won't ever do that again.

As I've gotten older I don't care to have random women nor do I want 2-3month relationships but I still enjoy committed relationships.

I've got some great hobbies that I really enjoy. I have plenty of money, a nice place, all the "things" a person could want.

My girlfriend is a little hottie, 20yrs younger than me, a great person. I don't have any complaints. If that ever changes, I'll go find another one.

My end game is to enjoy life on my terms. I do what I want, when I want. Never worry about what society thinks I should do.

Freedom.

 

[FlirtLife]

I was engaged, I made a prenup online and took it to the notary. I just don't see any benefits in getting married.

"an attorney is one factor in determining if your prenup is valid"

Not required, but a factor. Depending on your assets, hiring lawyers for each person could be worth it.

However, in most states and situations, a lawyer is not required. Why some people say you need an attorney for a prenup is because if your spouse ever challenges the validity of your prenup in a divorce, many courts will look at whether or not you had an attorney as one factor in determining if your prenup is valid. However, this doesn’t mean you need one, it simply means it will be something a court considers when taking a holistic look at the circumstances of your prenup to determine if it should be enforced.

Do Both Parties Need A Prenup Lawyer? - HelloPrenup

Are lawyers required for a valid and enforceable prenup? Can you and your partner share a lawyer? Can one of you waive your right to a lawyer but the other one have a lawyer? There are so many questions to cover and so little time! Stick around to learn about all things legal representation and […]

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[Serenity]

The end game for me is to enjoy as much of my time as possible until life ends. What that looks like in a practical sense changes with time. I have feelings, I pay attention to them and it tells me the next thing that would feel better or worse, I make my decisions accordingly.

Some things may provide happiness in the short term at the expense of happiness in the long term, I take this into consideration as well.

By pursuing happiness I have so far ended up married and with 2 kids, I truly enjoy my life as it currently is, I do not regret a single life decision I have made the past 10 years. That's not to say the way I live is for everyone, I can see someone pursuing their own happiness ending up in different circumstances and being just as happy about it.

Had this woman not showed up in my life or anyone else good enough, then I would certainly have found another way towards happiness. To me it's not about what I have or don't have, it's about always walking the path towards something better.

Even if I'm married and have kids, something I wanted, it's not the end, life keeps going and I don't want to be left behind. There's always something I can do to enhance my experience even more, I don't want to grow complacent and I certainly don't want to lose myself again.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

what happens after you get that squared away? What happens after you know you can seduce any woman?

Mythology.

 

[Reincarnated]

I've reflected on this original question for quite some time now. It really made me think deeply, maybe more than I've ever consciously done. And at the end of the day:

I have nothing more to say than it's about how you make people feel. Whether or not you believe in the an afterlife, the way that you impact others in this life cannot be overstated. The simplest of gestures can be the greatest, and the greatest of gestures can be the simplest. Some good advice I came across on this board years ago was "leave her better off than you found her". This is the most true statement I've ever come across.

I reflect on a co-worker who is soon to be retiring from my company, and how she positively has impacted my life in small ways each day. How she believed in me from the first day I met her, and the small gestures she has made have made the largest difference.

Be that to someone, whether it's a gal youre seducing or someone who you see on the street We all go through this crazy world differently, and the cynical will say it doesn't matter. But they're isn't a force in the world who can convince me that our actions don't matter, I can feel it, and I hope some day you can feel it as well.

God bless you, and Godspeed to you.

 

[SW15]

This 2015 article is a good article about potential end games for men. I'll refer to this article throughout this post.

The Only 9 Options for Men as They Age - Alpha Male 2.0

-By Caleb Jones As I’ve discussed before, most men, even Alpha Males, have no intention on being players for the rest of their lives. At some point, even the horniest players will want to “settle down” in some form or fashion. Today I’m going to...

alphamale20.com

For the typical blue pill, mainstream Western male, traditional monogamous marriage is their end game. The typical blue pilled male is in the middle of the bell curve on looks and money. He struggles to some degree to get pussie. He has sex with a few women and ends up proposing marriage to some woman who doesn't dump him in the first 2-3 years. They get married, have babies, and settle into a child-centered boring life. Some of the marriages end up lasting, others end up in divorce. The thread below contains themes about what happens to blue pill men. It's based on a small sample size in my social circle. This social circle formed in a major metropolitan area and is likely more bougie than average.

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...ll-social-circle-starts-having-babies.275901/

Remember that marriages still fail regularly. Marriages have a 50%+ failure rate if failure is measured by a divorce within 20 years of the wedding day.

There's about an 80% chance of AT LEAST one of the following 3 things happening over the lifespan of a marriage...

• Divorce
• Affair
• Long periods of a mediocre to subpar dynamic where the relationship just continues on based on inertia/societal pressure. The passion is gone.

Is a traditional monogamous marriage the best end game for men? It's difficult to justify it now.

@New_Journey asks about what happens when men know they can seduce any woman. I don't think that's a good question to ask. Few men will ever reach that level, even dedicated students of seduction. There are plenty of seduction aware guys who have known about PUAs like Roosh, Mystery, Krauser, Todd V, Austen Summers, AG Hayden, Playing with Fire, etc. and know their content well. Even with that, they don't achieve the level of success that someone like Neil Strauss reached as a student of PUA. They might get laid more or get more medium term (1-3 year long) monogamous relationships, but they don't get laid at all.

I think serial monogamy and being a player forever (Options 6 and 3 from the Alpha Male 2.0 article above) are common paths as end games for men. In @The Duke 's post above, it looks like he's closer to the serial monogamy path and that's been my preferred path.

Very few men will implement an open relationships type structure (Option 7-9 from the Alpha Male 2.0 article) into their lives.

 

[BaronOfHair]

This 2015 article is a good article about potential end games for men. I'll refer to this article throughout this post.

The Only 9 Options for Men as They Age - Alpha Male 2.0

-By Caleb Jones As I’ve discussed before, most men, even Alpha Males, have no intention on being players for the rest of their lives. At some point, even the horniest players will want to “settle down” in some form or fashion. Today I’m going to...

alphamale20.com

For the typical blue pill, mainstream Western male, traditional monogamous marriage is their end game. The typical blue pilled male is in the middle of the bell curve on looks and money. He struggles to some degree to get pussie. He has sex with a few women and ends up proposing marriage to some woman who doesn't dump him in the first 2-3 years. They get married, have babies, and settle into a child-centered boring life. Some of the marriages end up lasting, others end up in divorce. The thread below contains themes about what happens to blue pill men. It's based on a small sample size in my social circle. This social circle formed in a major metropolitan area and is likely more bougie than average.

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...ll-social-circle-starts-having-babies.275901/

Remember that marriages still fail regularly. Marriages have a 50%+ failure rate if failure is measured by a divorce within 20 years of the wedding day.

There's about an 80% chance of AT LEAST one of the following 3 things happening over the lifespan of a marriage...

• Divorce
• Affair
• Long periods of a mediocre to subpar dynamic where the relationship just continues on based on inertia/societal pressure. The passion is gone.

Is a traditional monogamous marriage the best end game for men? It's difficult to justify it now.

@New_Journey asks about what happens when men know they can seduce any woman. I don't think that's a good question to ask. Few men will ever reach that level, even dedicated students of seduction. There are plenty of seduction aware guys who have known about PUAs like Roosh, Mystery, Krauser, Todd V, Austen Summers, AG Hayden, Playing with Fire, etc. and know their content well. Even with that, they don't achieve the level of success that someone like Neil Strauss reached as a student of PUA. They might get laid more or get more medium term (1-3 year long) monogamous relationships, but they don't get laid at all.

I think serial monogamy and being a player forever (Options 6 and 3 from the Alpha Male 2.0 article above) are common paths as end games for men. In @The Duke 's post above, it looks like he's closer to the serial monogamy path and that's been my preferred path.

Very few men will implement an open relationships type structure (Option 7-9 from the Alpha Male 2.0 article) into their lives.

Strauss's professed level of success is questionable, and conceptualizing a marriage that ends in divorce as a "failure" is but a label we choose to put on such a thing

It ended in a fashion other than our dying before she did, after 80+ years of marriage which played out just like a Disney movie. That's not "failure", any more than being fired from a corporation whom we anticipated working for for the next 20 years is a "failure"

Such occurrences are just further evidence that all we have are PREFERERENCES for how life would go, if The Deities actually gave half a sewer rat's filthy ass what we mortals want(Newsflash: They don't), and that we rarely if ever get exactly what we prefer

 

[justaroundthecorner]

This 2015 article is a good article about potential end games for men. I'll refer to this article throughout this post.

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For the typical blue pill, mainstream Western male, traditional monogamous marriage is their end game. The typical blue pilled male is in the middle of the bell curve on looks and money. He struggles to some degree to get pussie. He has sex with a few women and ends up proposing marriage to some

Hmm, this does not take under consideration purple pill variants of traditional marriage (you know the risk and manage it as time flies accordingly at least to some extent)

 

[SW15]

this does not take under consideration purple pill variants of traditional marriage (you know the risk and manage it as time flies accordingly at least to some extent)

Interesting point. It is debatable about how much risk can be managed within a marriage.

Options 1 and 2 from that article are traditional monogamous marriage and serial monogamous marriage. I don't think the serial monogamous marriage model is that common. I don't know men who are planning to fail with their marriages entering them. There are plenty of women who know that the marriage won't last forever (but it might last 10-15 years) on their wedding day.

Plenty of people enter marriage foolishly believing that a traditional monogamous marriage will stand the test of time. Then, they are surprised when their marriage fails to reach a 20th anniversary and they haven't also raised 1-3 children all to age 18 while being married. Within those first 20 years, one or both of the partners has a good chance of having sex with another person. Men have more desire to have sex with other women but less opportunity to do so. The average married man has few opportunities to have sex with another woman. Women have less desire to have sex with other men but more opportunity. Opportunity matters more than desire. Even if one or both of the partners hasn't had sex with someone else, the marriage will often be less exciting and less fulfilling than anticipated. As a result, one person will want to leave. More frequently, that's the woman.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

Interesting point. It is debatable about how much risk can be managed within a marriage.

Options 1 and 2 from that article are traditional monogamous marriage and serial monogamous marriage. I don't think the serial monogamous marriage model is that common. I don't know men who are planning to fail with their marriages entering them. There are plenty of women who know that the marriage won't last forever (but it might last 10-15 years) on their wedding day.

Plenty of people enter marriage foolishly believing that a traditional monogamous marriage will stand the test of time. Then, they are surprised when their marriage fails to reach a 20th anniversary and they haven't also raised 1-3 children all to age 18 while being married. Within those first 20 years, one or both of the partners has a good chance of having sex with another person. Men have more desire to have sex with other women but less opportunity to do so. The average married man has few opportunities to have sex with another woman. Women have less desire to have sex with other men but more opportunity. Opportunity matters more than desire. Even if one or both of the partners hasn't had sex with someone else, the marriage will often be less exciting and less fulfilling than anticipated. As a result, one person will want to leave. More frequently, that's the woman.

You can manage in the following manner:
- keeping full ownership of the apartment and house you live in (in my country you do not lose the house acquired by yourself only before marriage happened) - this increases your role as provider and guardian of stability for a woman
- pick a several years younger female (preferably a virgin) for a marriage (I pulled it off being 35 myself) - yes it requires selection for traditional traits and being aware that sex might not happen on a third date
- accept that for successful LTR/TTR she needs to represent high interest in you (when I used dating apps I used them in semi-passive mode i.e. paid for premium and engaged only females that picked me first AND wrote to me first (yep, not that many of them but she was one of such women)
- live with her together for some time before getting married (kinda obvious)
- look beyond looks and allure only: my wife is hard working well educated person, quite logical too therefore I have not experienced many sh.it-tests or any significant resistance in the marriage until now (4,5 years together), she has also this kinda cute next door look (therefore looks really nice in make up/fully dressed up etc.)
- do not ignore red flags when selecting (as per red flags thread) ideally there should be none or minimal (trust your guts)
- respond ASAP to **** tests if they are undermining your position in marriage (this ofc requires appropriate hygiene of life/some progress or at least maintenance of SMV levels.

I am not saying it's bulletproof because "things happen" but I have noticed that using your brain more than *ick in search of a candidate for TTR was one of my best decisions so far. It allows me to put much more effort into work / self-education etc., a time and resouces that dish spinners need to burn on dating process (which is, in overall, tiresome).

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[BaronOfHair]

Interesting point. It is debatable about how much risk can be managed within a marriage.

Options 1 and 2 from that article are traditional monogamous marriage and serial monogamous marriage. I don't think the serial monogamous marriage model is that common. I don't know men who are planning to fail with their marriages entering them. There are plenty of women who know that the marriage won't last forever (but it might last 10-15 years) on their wedding day.

Plenty of people enter marriage foolishly believing that a traditional monogamous marriage will stand the test of time. Then, they are surprised when their marriage fails to reach a 20th anniversary and they haven't also raised 1-3 children all to age 18 while being married. Within those first 20 years, one or both of the partners has a good chance of having sex with another person. Men have more desire to have sex with other women but less opportunity to do so. The average married man has few opportunities to have sex with another woman. Women have less desire to have sex with other men but more opportunity. Opportunity matters more than desire. Even if one or both of the partners hasn't had sex with someone else, the marriage will often be less exciting and less fulfilling than anticipated. As a result, one person will want to leave. More frequently, that's the woman.

It's like anything else in life, from selecting a career, to traveling abroad, to a hot shave at the barber. Yeah, things COULD go awry... Working in corporate America puts you at greater risk of being seriously back stabbed by your colleagues or getting ensnared in white collar crime, traveling to "exotic locations" = Venturing to areas where schistomatisis is far more common than is the case than Kansas City, and that barber might exerperience a psychotic break in the midst of that hot shave, then surprise you with a Colombian neck tie

At a certain point, pondering over such things degenerates into analysis paralysis

 

[SW15]

things COULD go awry...

There are plenty of statistics that demonstrate that things often go awry in marriage. Ignoring the statistics on marriage in Western countries is often a very bad idea.