What's going on here?

[Snow Plowman]

Solomon on this forum directed me to this thread...

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The guy in RSD thread is one of the ONLY guy's I hangout with. Back when the crew first started it was about 12-15 of us then slowly dissolved to about 6 of us who generally only hangout in groups of 2-3. The reason you only see him in the picture is because its usually only him with the group.

This whole thread is hilarious due to all the assumptions being made. BODYLANGUAGE!?!?!? Heck, I don't even know my own body language and could give two ****s because in my mind it's irrelevant. No the chicks didn't drag him out, he brought them out and if your assuming he's banging every girl in the pictures is your own assumption. He's NOT banging them all, but does he have tons of options? Hell Yes!! Keep in mind these pictures are rather old, the women her hangs with are hotter and yes an average night is him with a group of women.

Although he's conflicted with his 1-2 year relationship especially with seeing me have sick adventures, I've personally watched as 3 chicks molest him, along with a gay dude trying to get in on the action. From my perspective the girl's were done for some orgy-like experience with him so I told him go for it and in the end one of the chick's got jealous so he ended up pulling only one of them. Honestly, like solomon stated, dudes need to be skeptical about so called gurus who show nothing. There is NO WAY gunwitch an I would've ever ben able to hangout because we have nothing in common.

P.S...The dynamic you see in the pictures are quite common in "High End" venues. Men who frequent these venues all know in order to get in you have to bring girl's so generally naturals will either be solo or have some women with them.

I want to know what nightclub he's at. I've been clubbing in a lot of cities and I cannot remember the last time I went to a night spot with THAT many good-looking girls that just happened to be hanging out.QUOTE]

Go to high end night venues an you'll see this. Basically the door is tough screening out most men because they can't afford it, don't have the connections, or don't know women. Women know if they want in they must be attractive, the more high end the more attractive they must be. Certain venues you'll see 90% of women who are 5'10 model types and another venue all women must be in high heels.

It could be legit, or it could be advertising for RSD....there is no way to know

Only thing he's advertising is that the community helped him. He's never took a bootcamp and from time to time we joke about certain community BS because in these environments watching other guy's who aren't in the community, it makes you see lots of irrelevant **** that the community focuses on.

I am dubious that there are no other friends...just a bunch of women. Maybe the untrained noobish eye wouldn't pick that out since they think that the only point of going out is women, but I don't buy that. Even the professional athletes who pull more than anyone else don't have lopsided ratios like that, and when they are out, they are out with their boys too.

We don't really hang with many guy's, if I'm not with him he's generally alone and on the rare occasion he'll be out with any of the other 4 people who still makeup the crew. Nowadays, he sometimes rolls to the hottest night venues with these other 2 guys who aren't community but does the samething on a whole next level.

NOTE: The athlete dudes I see every sunday aren't pulling, most have a **** ratio as I remember one guy stating 2 years ago a known rapper didn't get in because it was him and FIFTEEN GUYS. As opposed to a very well known actor who on a monday night goes to a vip dinner alone hanging with the restuarant owner surrounded by models.

I got a lot of the 'your so lucky dude, its all chicks and you" but it really wasn't as cool as you might think.

I think it comes down to preference, my boy and I are opposities...
- My boy gets paid to bring women out, I know if he wasn't getting paid he'd just bring girls out and fool around with the ones he likes. Way back when he first started he'd just drive chicks back to his place and comeback to the club.
- Me personally, I dislike hanging with MOST guys because they're generally not having fun and just thinking about TRYING to **** chicks. When I'm around so many girl's have a ****ing blast **** gets wild and crazy. Most dudes can't handle the **** that goes on because they're so uptight worrying about how to get some *****.

It really depends on the group. I've never been a fan of taking "sand to the beach", as a college buddy of mine used to say.

Everyone who thinks like this is the reason why male to female ratio is always ****ed up in most night venues. An this is why I love "high end" venues because unless your solo or highly connected (which allows you to bring one guy) your not getting in without women. As a result I know if I'm inside the ratio will most likely be great and do to tough door it will consist of many attractive women.

P.S... Its funny, your experience with those women is exactly why I love hanging with women. What I experience in one week with women is what a normal person would experience over the course of a year.

Concerning the original picture, I would have suspected it was for advertising purposes. If not, than nothing but props to people who can wheel those kinds of chicks on a regular basis. They are out there, and I still aspire to be that good someday/year.

Respect > hate. always

Yep there are many guy's who live a similar life on a whole next level. What your seeing in those pictures is a VERY LOW SCALE, the guy's he knows lives on another level and another batch of guy's are basically international. (They party in jet set destinations with billionaries, celebs, only models, etc)

At the end of the day, you still have to focus on working on your life. I vouch for this guy, I have two journals on this forum which details how I first got started so its not like I'm some random man just talking to talk. Throughout this journey I've interacted with many community dudes an along with solomon, there are VERY FEW who actually have improved there life. Back in 08 I met well over 100 different people, ran into many instructors, (Met almost every RSD instructor) hungout with different crews and now 2011...

I know only about 5 guy's who I see atleast once a month, and about another 5 who I see once in a blue moon. Aside from the select 5 or 6 others who do there own thing, everyone else basically stopped improving themselves in this area.

 

[zekko]

Perhaps the right move would have been to not bring your girl out to a meat-market club in the first place.

I agree with that. Bringing a girl to a club is basically asking for her to be hit on.

Same reason I get a lot of girls...I'm tall as sh!t

Girls do like the tall guys. I have a friend of mine, has a ton of issues and is basically mentally ill, but girls will open him because he's tall.

Everyone has their fetishes. Which 2Pac song is it that goes, "...went from havin' fantasies...to havin' hoes leave their man for me..."

Besides, 90% of relationships these days are busted anyway. I enjoy giving them a nudge along. It's sham-relationships that weaken the experience for the rest of us. And if they ARE truly good together, then I'll get shut out and they'll live happily ever after...and I'll find another girl to get up on.

Well, I can't say I approve entirely but I respect you for admitting it.
From the stories you've told you seem to get off on causing the other guy discomfort.

I agree with you that most boyfriend/girlfriend situations aren't going to last anyway, so from that perspective they're all fair game.
It just seems to be a little disrespectful to the guy who is "having his turn" with a girl to come up and try to undermine him. But like you say, if he brought her to a club, he should know what to expect.

Snow Plowman, thanks for the insight. I'm a long way from NY (in more ways than one) so it's interesting to see how things are done there. So the guy gets paid to bring girls to clubs. I suppose the pictures are sort of a resume for him.

 

[Snow Plowman]

Zekko in a sense yea it is like a resume...

It's a joke that promoters/host are like MLB players where the teams (Nightclub Brands) try to recruit the best ones to work at their place. Any major city that has bottle service oriented clubs are all similar. When I say "International" I really ment a guy in NY have partners who base in Brazil, Germany, France, Italy and they coordinate with each other. All these guy's are basically social connectors who connect the women to the other host/promoter so they can have access to the hottest upscale venues regardless which city there in.

Here is a video to give you a perfect example of NY nightlife...

NOTE: At 4:17 notice how many women around that one guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmswCxtIYM0

 

[zekko]

So if I have this right these promoter guys get paid to bring in hot girls?
And what the girls get out of it is access to the celebrities and the most upscale exclusive clubs.
Yep, that's quite a bit different than where I'm from. Interesting though.
Age-wise, I'm quite a bit removed from that sort of scene anyway.

 

[Huffman]

I don't want to hate on the guy, good for him that he is improving, but

HOVER HAND, ANYONE?

 

[squirrels]

Everyone who thinks like this is the reason why male to female ratio is always ****ed up in most night venues. An this is why I love "high end" venues because unless your solo or highly connected (which allows you to bring one guy) your not getting in without women. As a result I know if I'm inside the ratio will most likely be great and do to tough door it will consist of many attractive women.

What use is a "ratio"? I'd rather there be 50 dudes and 10 single women than 50 dudes and 50 women who are "taken" or who you'll have to fight some dude to get at.

I know I'm at least good looking enough be more attractive than at least 20 of those guys and cool enough to out-compete another 10. That means 20 eligible dudes and 10 eligible women, vs. in your scenario where there's 20 eligible dudes and 50 unavailable women. THAT'S the scenario where you see pictures like the one that originally started this thread.

I don't go to bars to look at hot women. Strip clubs are better for that. Hell, YouPorn is better for that.

If I've got a hot woman on my arm, I'm taking her somewhere besides a meat-market where other guys are going to drool over "the ratio". Every time I have taken a decent-looking girl to a meat-market, it has backfired on me as she switches into "club-mode" and goes on the prowl.

Taking girls to the club is only useful if you use them as pivots/social proof to attract other women...or at least to make other dudes jealous of your company.

So if I have this right these promoter guys get paid to bring in hot girls?
And what the girls get out of it is access to the celebrities and the most upscale exclusive clubs.
Yep, that's quite a bit different than where I'm from. Interesting though.
Age-wise, I'm quite a bit removed from that sort of scene anyway.

Yeah, dude...the clubs are always looking to beef up "the ratio", as Snow Plowman pointed out. Get the girls, the girls will draw the guys, the guys will buy the drinks, the drinks make the money.

Why do you think so many nightclubs have "ladies night", or offer girls "bottomless cups"? Same reason they encourage girls to dance on the bars, but if a dude jumps up on a girl and starts grinding on them, he gets bounced.

It's marketing. That's all. And most of these groups of girls, as was pointed out, just want the prestige that comes with "being at the coolest party" on a given weekend.

If you want to see hot women, these clubs are the place to be.

If you want to BANG these hot women, you'd better either have some fame/notoriety to add to her story (because she's looking for prestige), or you want to find the places that these women go to unwind, instead of the places they go to show off.

Same night as this other story...I left the club because it was getting too crowded and visited a local bar. Within 5 minutes of walking in there, I had already gotten looks/IOIs from three different women, including one woman throwing crap at me to call me over to talk to her friend. (one of the other girls was hotter, but this was such an easy mark that three drinks in I couldn't resist)

College bars are great pick-up venues as well. RSD will go a LONG way in that venue...and there are GORGEOUS women there, usually dressed down in casual drinking garb. I have met girls there before who were dressed down and I didn't realize how hot they were. Like literally, her getting up in a nice outfit and make-up bumps her from a "7" to a "9". But when she's out, she acts like a "7". THAT is the kind of girl you want to meet and THAT is the venue you want to meet her in.

But then, when I go to a strip-club, I'm less interested in the smoking blonde who just wiggles her ass a little than the less-gorgeous but decent-looking girl who's twirling on the pole 20 feet above the stage. That's just me I guess.

 

[Snow Plowman]

Squirrels is right it's just marketing to attract "Sexy Money", however a few misconceptions...
- Most of the women are pullable without need for status. Most of the guys who pull aren't the celebs or promoters/hosts. If a host is good with women its generally with women he knows as I've seen a promoter who has GORGEOUS WOMEN have a bad night and he couldn't cold approach no one an hungout alone.

- I personally have had success with many gorgeous women and on paper superficially I don't stack up. I was once in one of the hottest venues an madeout with maybe 3 chicks at some bloomingdales owner table. I #closed another one infront of the 2 guys who were going for her AND almost pulled 1 of the 3 chicks I madeout with. Another night I basically had 3 of the 6 most gorgeous chicks in the venue, my friend kept telling me to just **** the 1 who liked me the most BUT I wanted to meet all 6 chicks.

As for the ratio its generally ATLEAST 3 to 2 ratio however the more high end the venue is the more the ratio is highly bias to have women. A few of the top places women state there isn't enough guys since it's 70% of women and only 30% guys. One venue which has the tightest door in NY basically has barely any men come in, only dudes who generally come in is if they personally know the owner.

College bars and mainstream clubs are great if you don't want any door problems and just want to meet attractive women. If you have access to these clubs you can technically hookup with hotties EXCLUSIVELY. Every chick in my phone right now is over 5'7 because that's what I like an there are so many that I can just meet all the tall women. It makes you abit shallow but also makes you not care about looks as much since you fall into a "Damn they all look more or less hot".

P.S...You don't see that many couples in these types of venues unless the host/promoter is good friends with the guy and he's bring his girl. Other than that most tend to tell girls to bring there girl friends AND if any guys want to roll with them they tell them to reserve a table. (aka spend 1500 minimum for table at one of hottest venues OR 900 minimum at an average high end spot)

 

[Nutz]

If these 2 guys banged the Dahm triplets using only NLP and RSD techniques - you can too!

LMAO

I used to work with these girls on promos. Nice, well adjusted girls, who happen to be Playboy Playmates and will gladly take pictures with anyone, hehehe,..

Curse you work firewall, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not

 

[Nutz]

This whole thread is hilarious due to all the assumptions being made. BODYLANGUAGE!?!?!? Heck, I don't even know my own body language and could give two ****s because in my mind it's irrelevant.

Good for you, but women will still use it to judge you when taking in your looks, how you move, if you have status (preselection/social proof), and so on before you ever open your mouth. If you're not mindful of these aspects then you're just shooting yourself in the foot. If you've got great game and can overcome those factors, great. But I guarandamntee you that if you improve them then things will become a lot better in the long run. Remember guys, you won't always be fit, young, etc. and eventually age can and will impact how women perceive you. It's just a fact of life.

Perception is reality. How you feel about yourself doesn't necesariily make one lick of difference in how women will feel about YOU, especially if they haven't even met you!

 

[zekko]

One venue which has the tightest door in NY basically has barely any men come in, only dudes who generally come in is if they personally know the owner.

Why would I want to go to a club where I, as a male, would be treated like a second class citizen, made to stand in line, and probably not even allowed to get in the door? Where I'm supposed to pay $1000 for a table that the girls get to sit at for free? Where my chief value comes from the idea that I'm expected to buy drinks for girls?

Thanks but no thanks. I understand the idea of ratio, it's that way in my neck of the woods also (ladies night and such). But all this exclusive club BS sounds like it just contributes to more pedestalizing of the ladies, and enlarging their probably already inflated egos and sense of entitlement.
Makes me glad I'm too old for the club scene.

 

[Nutz]

Why would I want to go to a club where I, as a male, would be treated like a second class citizen, made to stand in line, and probably not even allowed to get in the door? Where I'm supposed to pay $1000 for a table that the girls get to sit at for free? Where my chief value comes from the idea that I'm expected to buy drinks for girls?

Thanks but no thanks. I understand the idea of ratio, it's that way in my neck of the woods also (ladies night and such). But all this exclusive club BS sounds like it just contributes to more pedestalizing of the ladies, and enlarging their probably already inflated egos and sense of entitlement.
Makes me glad I'm too old for the club scene.

If I ever have a club I'll have a fixed equal cover for both genders, but uber tight restrictions on dress code and image. No fat chicks and the women better be dressed to the 9s. And guys, you best bring your A game and suit up. If i doesn't look like that's a $1000 suit then this isn't the place for you. Guys that bring in 3 girls to his 1 guy, they all get in free as a form of "baller" discount

The entire point is to bring in top notch chicks, and a healthy dose of gold diggers, and high roller dudes. That's how you make up money. I don't want it to be a 1000 people inside with 8:1 guys to girls. Making it top shelf in terms of who gets in and exclusivity is what creates the desire to go there. And by making it rich folk who primarily go there, charging a premium offsets the lower numbers of guests. Perhaps during the week it can be proles, but on Friday & Saturday night it's premium top shelf duds or you're not getting in. The side benefit is no drama. Guys in $1000 suits don't get up in each others "biznazz" over stepping on a shoe or talking to the "wrong" girl. Sick of places like that.


Ideally though I'd rather just have a topless lounge like what's nearby where I live. It's BYOB and they've got pool tables and other stuff, basically just a chill place to go. Only difference is they've got nude go-go dancers and all the servers are topless. It's not a bonefide strip club because they don't do lapdances, it's just a topless lounge/pool-hall.

 

[Snow Plowman]

Good for you, but women will still use it to judge you when taking in your looks, how you move, if you have status (preselection/social proof), and so on before you ever open your mouth. If you're not mindful of these aspects then you're just shooting yourself in the foot. If you've got great game and can overcome those factors, great. But I guarandamntee you that if you improve them then things will become a lot better in the long run. Remember guys, you won't always be fit, young, etc. and eventually age can and will impact how women perceive you. It's just a fact of life.

Perception is reality. How you feel about yourself doesn't necesariily make one lick of difference in how women will feel about YOU, especially if they haven't even met you!

On a micro level it might matter(who knows?) but for me it's completely irrelevant I just be me and let my body do whatever. As a result some of my movements come off as "gay" or a simple "Wtf is he doing". Proof is in pudding though as I get approached every night I'm out and people just assume I'm cool because I always seem comfortable in my skin regardless of how my body is.

Why would I want to go to a club where I, as a male, would be treated like a second class citizen, made to stand in line, and probably not even allowed to get in the door? Where I'm supposed to pay $1000 for a table that the girls get to sit at for free? Where my chief value comes from the idea that I'm expected to buy drinks for girls?

Thanks but no thanks. I understand the idea of ratio, it's that way in my neck of the woods also (ladies night and such). But all this exclusive club BS sounds like it just contributes to more pedestalizing of the ladies, and enlarging their probably already inflated egos and sense of entitlement.
Makes me glad I'm too old for the club scene.

Its a business model, only way these dynamics affect you is if you're caught up with the "Smoke & Mirrors"...

A male in these venues have the opportunity to meet beautiful women and network. Personally, many of the guy's I know now make well over 100k+ and once an investment banker working with trump's son wanted to connect me to a person in LA who could get me into acting. Many of the men in these environments are doing business and helping each other through investing/partnerships/connections.

Yes, it's bias to have women because wherever the women are the men will follow. In reality most men don't even attempt to go to these places unless they know someone because these venues cater to wealth/influence. Everything is expensive because it screens out people who can't afford it, which leaves you with men who are either socially savy, connected, celeb/influence or has enough money to afford it.

In those environments meeting men is VERY PRODUCTIVE because you never know who's who and what those people can add in your life. Were talking millionaires, billionaires, owners, moguls, power players, etc. The people who can afford it are paying for the voyeuristic atmosphere and real estate (Positioning in the club)

Imagine a few 80k a year friends pool money together to buy a table at the hottest venue. They will most likely be sitting next to 15-30 model-like women who they can potentially meet. They might not have one of the best tables BUT they can see the action comfortably. Celebs, business contacts, hot women, hardcore party heads, bottle sparklers are all just part of the experience.

Personally I'd NEVER think to do a shot in my house as I type this BUT put me in a club having fun with 4-5 women an I'll be screaming "Shots Shots Shots" and pouring out some shots for all of us.

The potential perks I've had...
- Dude was going to let me stay in his manhattan apartment if I went out and party with him every day. (I had to decline because I was still underage during this time BUT a free apartment in manhattan would've been amazing)
- Music Executives always inviting me to drop by their salon to get drink champagne while getting facial hair trimmed
- Guy was opening a business an was looking for people to do customer service, I could've literally signed on ALL my jobless guy friends.

P.S...Age doesn't matter there are lots of older men. Most instantly just call these scenes "Superficial" but the amount of success, free time you gain, and experiences are incredible.