What women respond too... the player v. the nice BF

[In2theGame]

Nice, But I don't bother with this route unless its warranted and the guy is a complete douche. Then again. I do agree that Women with BF/Fiance/Husbands don't care if they are with someone (or so it seems) if the right opportunity came along. The amount of Women who have boyfriends and Husbands that have came on to me and flirted heavy with me is unbelievable.

 

[_Dream_]

You train women by being willing to walk away and never look back when you are not getting what you want out of a relationship. In addition, women are more attracted to men that have had and could have a number of women. They like men with plenty of options... the reason is women REALLY do not respect loyalty... Loyalty is fine as long as it serves their needs.....

By letting her know that you will walk away and never look back if she displays disloyal tenancies. The first sign you have a blooming disloyal women is little put downs, or insults... if this is done in front of family and friends you withdraw your attention and start going after different women. She either gets the message or you just keep walking. The only way to build loyalty in a woman is to make her work for your attention. Any man that chases a woman too much and is too accommodating is begging for her to cheat on him. I know it sucks, but that is the truth.

That is the hardest lesson i had to learn. You can be alpha in every aspect of your life, have great personality, great body, great career, great social skills. And even after yeears of love, if she does something stupid, cheats on you in some way ( doesnt need to be sex ) and you show her that you aren’t willing to walk away = you're dead.
Never fall in love so deeply that youre willing to forget everything, even the sweetest girl will hate you for it

 

[zekko]

So, you stole a girl from her boyfriend.

Well, he didn't steal her. If he HAD stolen her, I would almost understand it better. At least he would have accomplished something It seems like he just tried to make this guy look bad for no other reason than his own amusement. Some folks find that laudable, I guess. I understand he was Displaying some High Value, but since he had no intentions on this chick, seems like all he did was just kick some dude while he was down (even if he didn't know it).

This couple is on their way to a horrendous break-up, mostly because this guy does not know what the heck he is doing.

That's undoubtedly true. This guy was a great example of the stereotypical "nice guy" PUAs like to talk about. He had NO frame - introducing himself as "her boyfriend"? The least he could have done was say she was HIS girlfriend instead, lol. And relocating just so he could be around her, taking a mediocre job so she could follow HER plan, without having a plan of his own? Weak.

My point is that I would be careful about what conclusions are drawn about boyfriends and girlfriends using this guy as an example. It's not a fair fight. He's a horrible example of what a male mate should be. I don't think the moral of this story is "Girls want players instead of LTRs", it's "Girls want strong, masculine men instead of weak, mediocre followers". A good example of a male mate would be a leader, a potential head of the family. Now if you go up and humiliate that guy, maybe you've done something. As it is, it's like you picked out the most handicapped dude in the room, and went up and kicked him in the nuts.

 

[Yewki]

Not exactly, it was a demonstration that prevailing wisdom does not work. Women will say they want a loyal nice guy, who will wait on her. Truth is they do not respect boot-lickers. If they don't respect you they will not love you. This is why men that do not need them are attractive.

She was eyeing you up before you said a word to her, so you arguably could have said anything and she still would have "allegedly" wanted you over her boyfriend. There's also a lot of context missing, for example if you were much more attractive than her and/or her boyfriend then the idea that she wanted you is less surprising. And this is all speculation considering nothing definitive even happened. Honestly it sounds like you're trying too hard to toot your own horn.

 

[RangerMIke]

She was eyeing you up before you said a word to her, so you arguably could have said anything and she still would have "allegedly" wanted you over her boyfriend. There's also a lot of context missing, for example if you were much more attractive than her and/or her boyfriend then the idea that she wanted you is less surprising. And this is all speculation considering nothing definitive even happened. Honestly it sounds like you're trying too hard to toot your own horn.

Just an observation and an example of female hypergamy and what women really respond to. Women say they want the loyal nice guy, but they are attracted to men with abundance. It really doesn't matter how good you are or think you are, if another man come along that she thinks can better meet her needs, she will be attracted to him. In the future if I avoid examples which include me so that my motivations are not confused would that be better? I can do that no problem, but I do like to use examples, I think it's more entertaining and fun.

Besides it's as you said, no big deal, she clearly was attracted to me and it really didn't take that much effort, this would be like bragging about how many pigeons you shot at one of those pathetic Texas places where you shoot those poor creatures as they fly out of the cage. If I was going to brag, it wouldn't be about this. I've told stories where I totally f...ed up... heck I lost a couple of women I causally date just this week, one is focusing on a guy that wants to be exclusive, another is going back to NYC, I'm sure there are lessons in that.... I posted a story this week where a chick flaked on me, I posted stories where I got completely shot down one night.... to be fair to me I post plenty of stories where bad sh!t happens to me and what to learn from it. I really don't consider myself a braggart, but you are welcome to your opinion.

 

[RangerMIke]

Well, he didn't steal her. If he HAD stolen her, I would almost understand it better. At least he would have accomplished something It seems like he just tried to make this guy look bad for no other reason than his own amusement. Some folks find that laudable, I guess. I understand he was Displaying some High Value, but since he had no intentions on this chick, seems like all he did was just kick some dude while he was down (even if he didn't know it).

Yet someone else that is NOT reading what I wrote. You are the one that is jumping to conclusions. AND why are you feeling sorry for this guy, why are you so sensitive? I don't get it. This motherfvcker is a ticking time bomb. I've seen people like this, and it NEVER ends well. He's been chasing and dating this girl for 8 years, she is about to dump him, my actions not withstanding, I would not be surprised if she hasn't already cheated on him. This guy's ego is going to make him SNAP, either he is going to do something stupid and end up in jail, or he'll learn from this 'relationship' and make some changes. I do not feel sorry for him, WHY... because he is going against his own nature. OTOH I do feel sorry for his girl, she is behaving perfectly consistent with he feminine nature, she is with a weak guy and she doesn't like it, and likely hasn't dumped him yet because she is afraid of what might happen.

My point is

that I would be careful about what conclusions are drawn about boyfriends and girlfriends using this guy as an example. It's not a fair fight. He's a horrible example of what a male mate should be. I don't think the moral of this story is "Girls want players instead of LTRs", it's "Girls want strong, masculine men instead of weak, mediocre followers". A good example of a male mate would be a leader, a potential head of the family. Now if you go up and humiliate that guy, maybe you've done something. As it is, it's like you picked out the most handicapped dude in the room, and went up and kicked him in the nuts.

I agree this is an extreme example, but I have seen worst, but it is VERY rare that something like this would go on for as long as it has with people that are just dating. But you missed my point.... I guess I need to be clear... women say they what loyal men, but they don't because their own hypergamy makes it impossible for them to feel the same sense of loyalty men do. How can you want something that you do not understand. The other thing I was unsuccessfully trying to get across was that this guy THINKS that just being the BF is the end of the debate. Always know that a man with a better penis can and will take your girl away from you if you do not act like a man.

 

[zekko]

I do not feel sorry for him, WHY... because he is going against his own nature. OTOH I do feel sorry for his girl, she is behaving perfectly consistent with he feminine nature

Good thread, Mike. I may not agree with all your actions, but it has been a good topic for discussion, IMO. I can see what the lesson is you're trying to illustrate by posting this example here. I'm just a little fuzzy on what you were trying to accomplish by humiliating this guy in the first place.

I don't recall saying I felt sorry for this guy. But I don't despise him either. I know it's popular on this forum to hate AFCs, but I think that's hypocritical since most of us come here from an AFC background. We all have our own life lessons to learn. If you go by PUA Bro Theory, beta actions are actually perfectly natural. Only a certain percentage of the population can be "alpha" - otherwise it's a case of too many chiefs, not enough Indians. Supposedly beta, or submissive, behaviors in males is a survival technique to guarantee that they don't offend the alphas, and thus get killed by them. Going back to primitive times, of course.

HOWEVER, I have always maintained that even betas should still be dominant over other females, including their female mates. I guess that may be the difference between upper level betas (who can be quite successful), and lower level betas.

This girl obviously has some wh0rish tendencies herself, if she was hugging on you just because you mentioned that you've dated a lot of girls. Furthermore, if she goes around hugging strange dudes, the boyfriend probably realizes that his hold on her is tenuous at best, which is why he acted in such a defensive manner ("I'm the boyfriend").

 

[RangerMIke]

Good thread, Mike. I may not agree with all your actions, but it has been a good topic for discussion, IMO. I can see what the lesson is you're trying to illustrate by posting this example here. I'm just a little fuzzy on what you were trying to accomplish by humiliating this guy in the first place.

I really don't like nice guy AFCs, Sorry I really don't. They have completely screwed up society with their weak @ss behavior. The reason women are so hard to get along with for many guys is that these FOOLS screw them up. They give women a pass on horrible behavior, kiss their butts, while these women spit on them. When guys come on here bashing women.... well that's just stupid... they are only acting like women. It's like getting mad because the sky is blue.

The point was that this guy was NOT humiliated... he should have been, but he wasn't. Because he is ignorant. I offered to take this jack@ss to lunch, I was willing to take some time and give him some hints to proper behavior, but the motherfvcker blew me off. Men like him will not learn until he gets slammed in the face... at which time he'll go full on MGTOW, or try to figure out what's going on.

 

[Genos]

I really don't like nice guy AFCs, Sorry I really don't. They have completely screwed up society with their weak @ss behavior. The reason women are so hard to get along with for many guys is that these FOOLS screw them up. They give women a pass on horrible behavior, kiss their butts, while these women spit on them. When guys come on here bashing women.... well that's just stupid... they are only acting like women. It's like getting mad because the sky is blue.

This seems odd to me Mike...are AFCs screwing up society, or has society created AFCs from men who would otherwise be normal? Every man is a product of his environment. Tell me, how do they know any better if this is what their parents and authority figures and the media have taught them? To dislike them for tendencies developed out of their control seems short-sighted.

Saying you dislike nice guy AFCs means saying you dislike 90% of the men on this forum, who have come from a nice-guy/afc background. When I see or talk to a man who doesn't really understand male/female dynamics, I don't dislike him, or look down upon him. If anything, I have pity and feel some degree of empathy for him. Afterall, that's why you're here posting on this forum right? To help nice-guys regain their masculinity? To be angry at them (whether in real life or those on this forum) for not knowing how to act is unproductive.

If the man doesn't want your guidance or help, well...there's nothing you can do. It can be difficult to see his side - now that we've become more aware/red pill - but it's very strange for me to hear you saying that you dislike him. He will learn on his own, if he cannot accept your help. Regarding women acting like women, I certainly agree with you, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms (men's values/standards/expectations not always aligning with women's). But there's a balance in everything. When a woman cheats, it's not justified because "she's acting in the interest of hypergamy, she's just being a woman" - there's clearly something wrong here and a man has a right to be frustrated (though his actions may have caused her to want to cheat). So clearly there's a grey area here; I'm not sure where I'm going with this, I guess I'm just saying that we shouldn't condone everything women do as justified simply because they're women.

 

[RangerMIke]

AFC the key word is F = Frustrated... if you are frustrated and you don't know why and don't try to figure out what is going on, then you are an idiot. So many men settle for miserable pathetic lives that they are not happy in. Having fun with women should not be work, so why do so many men just fvcking accept difficult relationships with women as a fact?

The fact that Western society is such a fvcking mess IS the fault of men. Men were in control of society for THOUSANDS of years. Then in the 1970s something called "2nd Wave Feminism" kicked into high gear. We didn't have to go along with the bullsh!t, but the slow burn turned into a boil, and everything we KNEW about mal/female dynamics got flipped on it's head... Then the Coup d' Grace in the 90s... 3rd Wave feminism hit, and women began demanding more and more and more... why... because their was 'global' inequity. 3rd Wave Feminism stated that women in the west need more because women is Saudi Arabia are repressed. The divorce rate is 60% and climbing, and in divorces men get raked over the coals, and as the situation got worst, rather than standing up and taking society back, many of us have just fvcking surrendered and gone MGTOW, they get X-Boxes, drink bear, eat pizza, use on-line porn, and just exist.

They have surrendered the role of provider and protector to the government, and the former nurturers, women, now have to assume masculine roles because men have become a bunch of spineless weaklings constantly seeking the approval of them. Women are miserable, and men have quit, the result is what we have, but things are changing. Women have just about had enough of this... they are now beginning to realize what is happening.

 

[zekko]

Another thing that bothers me about some posts in this thread is the insinuation that you have to stay on your toes, always switching between player and boyfriend roles, because otherwise she might get bored and leave you.

I say that you shouldn't live in fear that your girlfriend will leave you. If anyone should live in fear, she should live in fear that you will leave her.

I'm just going to be myself regardless. If she leaves, I know I can always get another woman. I've lived long enough to know that I can survive a relationship breaking up.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I don't know. He's been with her 8 years so he can't been doing all that much wrong.

I wouldn't be too thrilled with the guy coming over and saying "I'm her boyfriend" but I would just let it slide off my back and not go out of my way to AMOG.

She may have found you visual attractive at first gaze, the rest is all mental masturbation as far as I'm concerned. Women especially ones with a BF might flirt but don't always follow through and act on their attraction.

Personally, I think it's the girl in this situation who is playing you both lol. She could just be trying to make her boyfriend jealous. Who really knows and who cares?

 

[Igetit!]

I don't really understand all the "Great job!" accolades you're getting, when it seems to me all you accomplished was pumping up your own ego.

To be honest,that's what I was thinking. I agreed with everything RangerMike said.....everything he said was bang on advice-wise. And yeah...this guy seemed clueless.....RangerMike was dropping DHVs left and right in front of this dude's face,which spiked this girl's attraction towards him....the BF just didn't recognize they were DHVs or what Mike was doing. I just don't get WHY Mike decided to do all this. Up in reply #12,Mike said....

Learning is a process... the lesson is not over. People like him do not learn in one night he has a lifetime of de-programming to do.

and.....

First thing is that you can not teach anyone anything if they do not trust you. I have his business card, we'll be going to lunch next week. Then the leasons begin.

He said that learning is a process and that the lesson isn't over.....and that this guy has a "lifetime" of de-programming to do. Then he said that when they have lunch next week,that then the "lessons" begin.

What gets me about all this is......well......didn't you JUST MEET this guy the night before you started this thread? If he were some dude you'd known and been friends with for a while,and you'd seen him go from trainwreck after trainwreck,girl after girl and then you decided to teach him these "lessons",I could understand. But you didn't know this dude from Adam,why the sudden interest in teaching a complete stranger lessons that you yourself said would take "a lifetime of deprogramming" for him to get and understand? And on top of that,the dude didn't even show up for the lunch. You seem to have more of an issue with HIS afc-ness than he does. He seems "blissfully" ignorant. I say just leave him alone.

Not everyone wants the "red pill".......some people will fight you to stay in their afc-ness. If he wants to stay ignorant,let him be.

It's a waste of time trying to drag someone kicking and screaming to undoing a lifetime of bad programming.

 

[Trump]

Another thing that bothers me about some posts in this thread is the insinuation that you have to stay on your toes, always switching between player and boyfriend roles, because otherwise she might get bored and leave you.

I say that you shouldn't live in fear that your girlfriend will leave you. If anyone should live in fear, she should live in fear that you will leave her.

I'm just going to be myself regardless.

Yeah bro its good in theory but not in real life. Society values a girlfriend or wife on your arm. They don't care who lives in fear of who. What are going to do, wear a sign around your neck saying: "Im single but I didn't live in fear of my girlfriend."

Ideally you don't want her bored, and switching between player and boyfriend and her getting bored are 2 separate issues. Girls only want to be a guy who has THREE things.

Guy who has power
Guy who has money (through that power)
Guy who gives good sex

You give her these 3 things, she is yours for life.

 

[SamTheHobit]

Another thing that bothers me about some posts in this thread is the insinuation that you have to stay on your toes, always switching between player and boyfriend roles, because otherwise she might get bored and leave you.

I say that you shouldn't live in fear that your girlfriend will leave you. If anyone should live in fear, she should live in fear that you will leave her.

I'm just going to be myself regardless. If she leaves, I know I can always get another woman. I've lived long enough to know that I can survive a relationship breaking up.

Although I agree. It's a good idea to "wake them up" from time to time.

 

[beforeimgone]

Was at a holiday party last night was doing what I always do at parties, having a good time talking to people, really wasn't in the mood to meet new women, there was a nice eclectic mix of interesting people and I was having fun talking a joking around. I noticed a women from across the room and we made eye contact.... she was attractive, but my guess was that she was right out of college too young... but went up to her anyway to talk to her, trust me I had no intention of picking her up, but when you are at a party it always helps if other women see you talking to pretty girls (this is the lesson).

Anyway, this guy walks up... young guy, looked right out of college, my guess was correct. He introduces himself as her 'boyfriend', the dude was stinking of insecurity and DEFINATELY did not like me talking to 'his girl', but he was trying to play it cool... reading BL is something EVERYONE needs to learn to do. Well, I really don't like people challenging me... so I had in the back of my mind I'm going to teach this guy a lesson on Male/Female dynamics since he was clearly clueless.

I started teasing him that his name was "Her Boyfriend", "Did your parents name you that? They must be one of those weird celebrities that name their kids things like Apple, and Seven...." I just started joking around with him and making him feel comfortable... asked him where he went to school what he did for a living, got him talking... He was an engineer as well, so we had that in common.

All the while I was completely ignoring his girlfriend, was only looking at her out of the corner of my eye to make sure she was paying attention. Then I looked at her, then back at him and asked how did they meet. Oh, we've known each other since high school, then college, and we've been dating ever since... This was from him, not her. Then I asked how they ended up here, she said after college she wanted to start a social innovation company that trains medical staff... actually it was a pretty good idea, and I told her this. He then said, he moved her for her and basically said he took a job getting what he could (it was with an environmental engineering firm which is just so so). I had all the information I needed.

I looked at him and started praising him, I said "WOW, dating the same girl all though college and high school, you've a better man than me... Jesus, I can't evening fvcking remember the names of all the girls I dated, I just do not have that level of commitment... never did, and I guess since I don't have a steady girl, never will." Poor guy REALLY thought I was pumping him up and complementing him in front of his girl, he was all proud and smiling. Then I said keep in touch and told the girl to give me a call if she needs help with her business, I really did have some ideas and knew some people that might be able to help her.

Then just moved on to other folks.... One guess what happened next.... the women kept getting in my line of sight, any time I would move to different part of the room, well there she was.... Before I left I made a point to stop by and tell her bye and she said "I'll definitely be calling you for 'help', but my card only has my business phone and she needs my cell." then she grabbed me and hugged me tight making sure her t!ts rub against my chest.

Lesson here is simple, women naturally NOT loyal, loyalty is a trained characteristic. Her BF NEVER trained his girl... he was clearly too accommodating following her around and being a puppy... Puppies are nice, but what are you going to do with a puppy? You train women by being willing to walk away and never look back when you are not getting what you want out of a relationship. In addition, women are more attracted to men that have had and could have a number of women. They like men with plenty of options... the reason is women REALLY do not respect loyalty... Loyalty is fine as long as it serves their needs.....

When I'm trying to pull a female I am very direct and ruthless in my screening methods. It works for me.


Your method appears to work as well. Would you mind answering a few questions about how you run your game? I'm very interested in any information that you would be willing to provide.

 

[zekko]

Yeah bro its good in theory but not in real life. Society values a girlfriend or wife on your arm.

Well, I value a girl on my arm also. The point is, no one is irreplaceable. Especially if they start to act up.
That aside, are guys here so boring that they have to play games and make her jealous in order to keep her interest up?

 

[beforeimgone]

Well, I value a girl on my arm also. The point is, no one is irreplaceable. Especially if they start to act up.
That aside, are guys here so boring that they have to play games and make her jealous in order to keep her interest up?

Mate, I feel as if you are asking because you may genuinely not know the answer. A couple friends and myself are discussing the correct way to be in order to have a woman that is completely devoted to your happiness. If you are tired of playing games and want to be straight up with your women then please join our discussion.


Read my thread:


"All it takes is two things to make her love you forever"

 

[RangerMIke]

Your method appears to work as well. Would you mind answering a few questions about how you run your game? I'm very interested in any information that you would be willing to provide.

Really it's nothing more than experience and observation. Learn to spot indicators of interest and be willing to approach. Be friendly up front, try to get the woman to laugh... look for indicators that she is trying to sell herself when this happens get her number or make a date. I never try to sell myself, and never talk about myself to the women I've just meet... I get her talking and just listen, I try to commit EVERYTHING she says to memory... all that comes in handy later when you are on a date... nothing impresses a woman more than the fact that you remember everything she tells you. Keep eye contact and imagine that you are fvcking her... I know this sounds nuts but it works... she will pick up on this and she will know you are interested in her sexually without you coming out and saying it.

I NEVER try to hook up with women the night we meet. I really wouldn't have any idea how to make this work, besides I'm too old for that... I left one night stands behind me when I left college over 25 years ago. My goal when I first meet a woman is to get her on a date... not sleep with her.... that comes later.

When I'm trying to pull a female I am very direct and ruthless in my screening methods. It works for me.

Your method appears to work as well. Would you mind answering a few questions about how you run your game? I'm very interested in any information that you would be willing to provide.

I really don't have any method other than I don't hide what I want, and I'm willing to go after what I want. I do not try to make anything happen with women who are not interested.

 

[evan12]

I think the guy seem to be normal , many guys who spend their life with one or two women does not really think their women are cheating on them .