What value do YOU DJ's of SS provide a woman?

[Down Low]

Guys, how do you feel about backbreaker's assertion that you know you have nothing to offer a woman?

You mean, besides the fact it's false on its face due to the fallacy of begging the question? Besides the fact that BB didn't notice the error, correct it, criticize himself for having made the error, or apologize to fellow DJs for the worthless provocation?

OK, I'll bite.

BB started this thread a few months ago to say that the only difference between "you" and ghetto thugs is that the thugs try to fvck anything that has a hole. His point is that "you" should do the same.

BB has no problem with zero-value men sticking it into every woman they can. Which concurs beautifully with my previous post in this thread (that a man's value is irrelevant).

 

[Smell The Glove]

This thread offers much lol value.

Thank You.

 

[backbreaker]

I mean saying that you don't qualify yourself to a woman AT ALL is a tad bit unrealistic. more than a tad bit.

Okay,t his si what I am trying to say

Both DJ's and AFC's qualify themselves to a woman. the only difference being the medium in which they do so.


When I met Kat, the girl that brought me here, I tried to qualify myself by buying her ****, showing that i was a great guy by always being there for her, and always talking to her as well as time and time again professing my love for her. The problem is, there is no value in gifts or bieng in love or being nice for the sake of wanting to get laid.

When I met Millie, my wife, I qualified myself first and foremost by having the balls to approach her, by making her laugh, by being able to hold an adult conversation and keep her interested, by being in great physical shape something i wasn't when i met kat, by showing her i had a life by not bombarding her with calls / texts between dates, and more than all by generally showing her that i was in control of my emotions and what was goig to happen between us because i basically dictated when we would get intimate

yeah she came back to my house evetually ad saw i had a pretty nice crib and saw my car and we talked about what i did for a living but that's not what created value. had i just used the money i had to lavish her with gifts she would not think of me in the same way as she does today.


But to say in general i don't have to qualify myself to a woman, that's just not realistic view point. At least to me it isn't.

 

[namismybabe]

I can tell you what I'm looking for in a guy, if it will help seeing a female's perspective and what is valuable.

I have strong work ethic. I always have. My parents taught me how to budget, how to live within my means, and how to work hard. As such, I want a man to do the same. I'm not judging by how much he has, but by how he budgets what he does have.

So you want a man who is spendthrift?

I care about my health and appearance. I work out, eat healthy, cook well balanced meals. A guy that eats nothing but crap and isn't in shape is a turn off. This even extends to drinking, smoking, and drugs. Drinking alcohol excessively and smoking and all that prematurely ages you. I am simply not interested in someone that doesn't care about all aspects of their health. I don't dress like trash, either. I present myself in a respectable way. So, I want a guy that can also clean himself up and present himself in a respectable manner.

lol.. yet most eat fast food and most are overweight. healthy eating is not really taken seriously.

I have hobbies and interests outside of my career. As a result, I do not depend on a man to fulfill all my social needs, and he needs to have hobbies and interests too. I want someone well-rounded, because otherwise I'm forced to be some sort of entertainment for someone else and then I feel like a babysitter.

I agree that hobbies/interests are required to be happy.

I have served as a caregiver for my father after he had back surgery. I helped my family pay bills, I took him to physical therapy, helped cook meals, helped my mother cope with the stress, and took care of my own issues as well. I don't need a man that's going to cry or whine or break down or forget to feed himself or just in general does not know how to handle adversity. Life happens and it's not a breeze. I have seen how hard life can get, and you know what? I got through it. I cannot handle a man acting like a petulant teenager over minor issues. Basically? When life crap comes up (losing a job, etc), can he man up and handle it?

So because you see life as pain, your potential bf must also? I think the phrase "life is tough" is overstated.

As you can see, while I do care about appearance, finances, etc, it's not black and white. I care about appearance in the sense of "do you take care of yourself?". I care about finances in the sense of "Do you budget or live way outside your means?" and not how much he makes.

The value that a real man brings to the table is being a healthy, well rounded individual. And both low-quality and high-quality women will be attracted to such a person.

Or you're projecting your subjective views as absolute principles?

 

[PlayHer Man]

I mean saying that you don't qualify yourself to a woman AT ALL is a tad bit unrealistic. more than a tad bit.

Okay,t his si what I am trying to say

Both DJ's and AFC's qualify themselves to a woman. the only difference being the medium in which they do so.


When I met Kat, the girl that brought me here, I tried to qualify myself by buying her ****, showing that i was a great guy by always being there for her, and always talking to her as well as time and time again professing my love for her. The problem is, there is no value in gifts or bieng in love or being nice for the sake of wanting to get laid.

When I met Millie, my wife, I qualified myself first and foremost by having the balls to approach her, by making her laugh, by being able to hold an adult conversation and keep her interested, by being in great physical shape something i wasn't when i met kat, by showing her i had a life by not bombarding her with calls / texts between dates, and more than all by generally showing her that i was in control of my emotions and what was goig to happen between us because i basically dictated when we would get intimate

yeah she came back to my house evetually ad saw i had a pretty nice crib and saw my car and we talked about what i did for a living but that's not what created value. had i just used the money i had to lavish her with gifts she would not think of me in the same way as she does today.


But to say in general i don't have to qualify myself to a woman, that's just not realistic view point. At least to me it isn't.

At the end of the day you are placing the woman on a pedestal and living your life according to what you believe SHE wants. This is an AFC mindset. :crackup:

A man should live for himself and do what he pleases. Invite women along for the ride that is YOUR LIFE. Bring her into your world.. but don't change your world to please her. If she doesn't see the value.. then she can leave.. the door is open.. don't let it hit you on the way out.

I approach women from the perspective of enjoying myself. If I can't have fun with a woman, she is worthless to me. I don't worry about what I can do for her.. I really don't give a sh!t what she wants unless she verbalizes it to me. Otherwise I just make sure I get what I want.

At the end of the day.. I don't need a woman. Therefore, there is no reason to behave like I need a woman. This attitude leads women to assume I have value simply because I don't give a sh!t.

Only faggots try to "qualify" . :flowers:

 

[GotED?]

1) Women want to be lead (even though half of them act like a Male B!tch)


2) Women want to be pampered (most women are really just 'girls' in an adult body, they avoid responsibility like the plague and don't want to make decisions most of the time).


3) Women want to be ravaged in bed (well, GotED? - that would be a problem LOL)


4) Women want to feel safe (physically, financially, emotionally, sexually)


5) Women have no clue what they want (therefore you must hamster spin her brain to get her there).


All these principles are established when you have established the correct frame with a woman from the start.



Good luck.

Exodus

 

[namismybabe]

I will bite.

But first.....

Are you asking what IS of VALUE that I offer to women? Or are you asking what I am I offering that THEY value? Two very different questions with very different answers.

• I have a good job - Value, but they barely value

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  and you know all women in the world? In US pop culture perhaps, but in some cultures a person's job is key in getting quality women.
  

  [*]I have good looks - value, and women value that

  
  for obvious reasons.
  
  

  [*]I have wit - low value, but they highly value it

  
  i wouldn't agree, since people like other who make them feel good. Dull people get by, but those with a sense of humour generally are more popular.
  

  [*]I have athleticism - medium value, they very highly value it

  
  Depends on the woman. Not all care for sport or athletic competition.

  [*]I have social status - low real value, but they very highly value it

  Depends on the woman. Some may want an equally higher status/class person, or see a higher class bf as a stepping stone to success.
  

  [*]I have social proof - low real value, but they very highly value it

  Depends on the woman again. Not all care about popularity.
  

  [*]I have money - high value, and they highly value it

  
  Maybe, but some may think as long as a man is financially stable this is what counts.
  

  [*]I have charm - medium value, but they highly value it

  Depends how charm is defined.

  [*]I don't have a criminal record - high value, but women don't value that
  [*]I am not a thug - high value, but women consider that valuable
  [*]I don't look for fights - high value, but women seem to value violent men
  [*]I am not a serial killer - high value, but a fair % of women value serial killers

Seems the women you know are either in high school or are in the ghetto.

 

[SpazzAttackk]

This topic killed my POV on the community. It seems like none of you guys have any real value whatsoever

 

[PlayHer Man]

This topic killed my POV on the community. It seems like none of you guys have any real value whatsoever

You don't need much value to f*ck a hot girl. You just need value to keep her.

Why would you want to keep a modern woman? The way they act. The marriage laws. The feminism. The LACK OF VALUE. The high c0ck count (though we all contribute to that :crackup, etc.

If we're all getting laid.. does it really matter bro?

 

[namismybabe]

Sure......"some" cultures. But unfortunately that is only a small portion of the world. I have traveled to every Continent except Australia, I am quite familiar with the landscape of women and many cultures.

You are just peddling another of the "NAWALT" line. Sure there are exceptions, but not many of them.

No actually most of the world. Status is key in getting women.

Welcome to Western Civilization toots. Please check your femininity at the door, only men desire it and thus it is "oppressive" and not welcome.

lol.. or your personal beliefs projected as the supreme norm? I know many women who would never date a serial killer or who don't date violent men. As said, if that's how people think in the ghetto that's their business. don't presume that is everybody's reality.

 

[backbreaker]

Is it my imagination or has there been a lot more trolling on these forums lately?

Anyway, there was nothing wrong with the original post. You had to be familiar with the OP's posting history to see what was up, which I was not.

exactly. i don't live on this damn forum. I have no clue who the OP is. but it's an interesting topic so I responded.

For you to think the OP was trolling you'd have to come into the thread assuming that whatever the OP was saying was a troll. Which may very well be the case siht i don't know.

But all I see is a guy asking a question and a lot of guys re-framing the question.

Being called out for basically not having the same opinion as you Atom smasher is pretty bush league dude. you (i thought) were a better mod with that.

If you want to wave your magic pixie wand over your head and ban me for not agreeing with you knock yourself out I don't give a ****. But you'd be doing so knowing that you have no reason whatsoever to legit ban me I haven't done anything wrong but contribute to a thread and not agree with you. If you are going to start banning people for not agreeing with your view point this isn't a forum i want to be a member of anyway and i assure you i'm not the only one, and while i'm a lot of things, a troll is something i'm not, you know i can back whatever i say up with a solid view point so you can't even say i'm trolling. you just don't agree with me. lol just beucase you don't allow people to say something you don't want to hear doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

that's the epitome of AFC and i'll leave my comments at that.
your serve

Hell, like your post that DownLow linked here, a guy needs to bring nothing to the table other than getting out there and trying to fvk the wet holes with a nothing to lose attitude.
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great point and I stand behind that post 100%. However we are talking about 2 different things.

In other words, you don't have to be a man of value to get laid.

The guy in that post is not a man of value. he's not fvcking women of value either the woman he's fvcking in question is a pill head with 2 kids. But we are talking about simply getting your **** wet in that post

that's not (I assume) what we are talking about in this post. I think that's the disconnect. I'm talking about laying / spinning quality women plates. women who have real options and they all want you.

Even the chick that posted in this thread, isn't talking about just getting some **** she is clearly talking about what she wants in a man. We are talking more quality person / LTR **** ITT not hey how do i get laid.

getting laid just to get laid and bedding quality women constantly with options are 2 totally different things. I would not be able to spin my wife as a plate before she was my wife if i was a man of value but that doesn't mean iw ould not have been getting laid at ALL if that makes sense.

the only thing that is stopping you from getting your **** wet is your fear of rejection. go out and talk to chicks. but it takes more than a lack of fear of rejection to slay quality girls CONSTANTLY.

 

[PlayHer Man]

This is what women value. I am not sure why you would blame the "community" for recognizing it.


Compare that link to a computer geek making 6 figures trying to pull of this same thing. No reason to blame the "community" for recognizing this fact. It's called adapting.

That link has more truth bombs than the majority of threads on SS combined.

There it is gentlemen...

Men must get out of the "one size fits all" way of thinking of how women choose men. Women seek "resources" and resources come in many forms:

-Drugs
-Genes
-Money
-Status
-Protection
-Connections
-Transportation
-A place to live
-Food
-Security
-Attention
-Fun
-Great sex
-Novelty
-Family
-Entertainment
-Kids
-Opportunity

All you need to know as a man is women sell sex for "things". What those "things" are differs from one woman to another. This is why you must blaze your own trail and live the life YOU want to live. Don't live based on what you think women want.

 

[zekko]

Since women often value things that are truly of no value from a man's perspective, asking what is it of value that you bring to the table is a dangerous question for a man who is not already well versed in how women operate.

Finding out what a woman values is one of the best ways to qualify her. Are you going to want to be with a woman who values serial killing as a big turn on? The first night I went out with my to-be wife I knew she and I were going to be together for awhile, because I could tell by the questions she was asking me what she valued. You can tell what quality she is by what she values.

Guys here claim they don't care what women want, but I find that claim rather dubious, considering that this forum is part of the PUA community. Guys here and in the community will completely change their personalities around 180 degrees if they think it will get them laid. They will worship at the feet of some guru because he is able to get a makeout with a woman within 10 minutes. They will go out and put themselves through a bootcamp (it's in the DJ Bible) just so they can be "good with women". What about the whole idea of Displaying High Value? Peacocking? The idea that guys do all this because they don't care what women want is frankly laughable.

 

[backbreaker]

Finding out what a woman values is one of the best ways to qualify her. Are you going to want to be with a woman who values serial killing as a big turn on? The first night I went out with my to-be wife I knew she and I were going to be together for awhile, because I could tell by the questions she was asking me what she valued. You can tell what quality she is by what she values.

Guys here claim they don't care what women want, but I find that claim rather dubious, considering that this forum is part of the PUA community. Guys here and in the community will completely change their personalities around 180 degrees if they think it will get them laid. They will worship at the feet of some guru because he is able to get a makeout with a woman within 10 minutes. They will go out and put themselves through a bootcamp (it's in the DJ Bible) just so they can be "good with women". What about the whole idea of Displaying High Value? Peacocking? The idea that guys do all this because they don't care what women want is frankly laughable.

I mean, I understand exactly what danger is trying to say. He is saying that you should not be outcome oriented with a woman and should be process oriented; Do what you can do and let the chips fall where they may with a woman. But don't overdo it just to impress a woman it will always backfire in some way. Focus on the process and not the outcome. That's how I approach my business, if I do my best i'll win some and I'll lose some. sometimes i will win more than I lose sometimes I will lose more than I win. But it's about the process I can't change the process if i know what i am doing is right just because i don't get the results I want every time

But at the same time, for instance I go to the gym 5-6 days a week. I don't go to the gym because I think women will think I'm hot if I work out. They w ill think i'm hot if I work out but that's not why I go.

I go to the gym because i DEMAND a woman I'm with to be in physical shape. Plus it's kinda fun lol. And i never demand from a woman what I don't demand from myself.

In other words, if you are doing it right, it's not possible to qualify a woman without qualifying yourself because you have to do a personal inventory to see if what you are asking for is unrealistic or if anything needs to be changed to get what you want.

 

[BrownBear]

I mean, I understand exactly what danger is trying to say. He is saying that you should not be outcome oriented with a woman and should be process oriented; Do what you can do and let the chips fall where they may with a woman. But don't overdo it just to impress a woman it will always backfire in some way. Focus on the process and not the outcome. That's how I approach my business, if I do my best i'll win some and I'll lose some. sometimes i will win more than I lose sometimes I will lose more than I win. But it's about the process I can't change the process if i know what i am doing is right just because i don't get the results I want every time

But at the same time, for instance I go to the gym 5-6 days a week. I don't go to the gym because I think women will think I'm hot if I work out. They w ill think i'm hot if I work out but that's not why I go.

I go to the gym because i DEMAND a woman I'm with to be in physical shape. Plus it's kinda fun lol. And i never demand from a woman what I don't demand from myself.

In other words, if you are doing it right, it's not possible to qualify a woman without qualifying yourself because you have to do a personal inventory to see if what you are asking for is unrealistic or if anything needs to be changed to get what you want.

Bullsh!t, you did it for women and you know it.

LIAR :nono:

 

[namismybabe]

so are you people going to continually whine or do something about it?

 

[zekko]

Come back when we hear about four girls getting impregnated from one single nerd at band camp as opposed to a prison inmate impregnating four female prison-guards.

Girls get impregnated by their boyfriends all the time, and yes, some of them are nerds. But that isn't news, because it's a very common occurrence. A prison inmate impregnating four different guards is news because it is fairly rare and unusual.

However, I do know that female guards getting emotionally involved with prisoners is more common than some would believe. I happen to think it is because there are a lot of damaged women out there.

The point I think that you have not seen, is that women's values change over time according to her position in life. At 18 she wants the hot jock. At 30 she wants the guy that can provide for her children.

Oh, I agree with that. People change over time, I'm a firm believer in that. Of course what a woman wants at 18 will be different than what she wants at 30. I don't think that is necessarily a bad or sinister thing, as it is most often portrayed to be here. I would hope that a woman would want different things at 30 than at 18. An 18 year old is most likely just out to have some fun, mainly.

By the way, the latest stats I've seen on the average age a woman gets married for the first time is 26.9. And in some states it is below 25. Lexington recently had a thread about women in the Bible Belt marrying young. A lot depends on where you live. So the PUA stereotype of women riding the c0ck carousel until they turn 30, then suddenly looking around for a "herb" to settle down with isn't quite entirely accurate. I'm not a big fan of stereotyping in any form, however, so I may be biased.

 

[zekko]

All I request are examples of band-camp geeks that impregnates four girls in one summer, and my point is moot.

Consider this, though. Maybe Mr. Band Geek or Computer Nerd is too smart to impregnate four girls in one summer. Unlike the guy in prison, the nerd might actually have something to lose. Who's going to make the guy in prison pay child support? It's not like impregnating four different girls in this day and age is a desireable thing to do. Unless maybe you're the guy in prison, and you know you won't be held accountable.

Alternatively, if you think that the nerd guy is most likely a Nice Guy, chances are he won't be wanting to bang four girls at once, chances are he'll be happy enough with his girlfriend.

Recognizing that "quality" is an awful term to use, and not judging you.......But does her history truly have no bearing on your definition of "quality"? Only what she values at this point in her life?

No, you're right, her history definitely plays a big part. But I've never thought that slvtty girls were that hard to spot, they usually give themselves away.

In any case, I do not think that today's women can be trusted. Even if they appear to be a perfect mix of family values and chastity. As I said before, people change, and most especially women change. There are the old sayings "Women are fickle" and "It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind". It's the fact that they can change so easily (either due to hypergamy or whatever) that makes them so dangerous.

But once you're aware of the risk, it's a simple enough matter to mitigate it. I'll enjoy my girlfriend as long as I have her, but I'm not naive enough to think that it can't end at any moment. Since I haven't wifed her up (I learned my lesson the first time), she can't take anything from me. I'm doing what I want, but I'm trying to be practical about it.

 

[backbreaker]

Sure it could be 27, but it changes none of the key points discussed regarding the carousel.

the "**** carousel" while quite the catch phrase lol, is one of the biggest if not the biggest / only real thing / issue i have with this site. because in real life, it's just not freaking true. aT least, not to the extent that people on this forum would have you to believe.

1. There is not a woman in my family who wasn't married by the age of 22. twenty freaking two. not one. That's kinda inflated because I 'm from Arkansas and that's just what you do but still that's young.

2. The biggest problem i have with the **** carousel theory is that it makes the assumption that women are not allowed to date to figure out what they do and don't like in men. **** Carousel thory suggests that women for them not to be a ***** must marry a man early in life, even if she is in love or not.

3. Between my personal life, NA / AA, my family, I know tons of women. probably over 250-300. maybe 10% of them are what you would call true *****s. just, all out **** riders lol. But teh vast majoirty of women, want a man. There just aren't any lol. some of the prettiest women I know, in fact 3 of the prettiest women i know are about as loyal / traditional as you can create a woman.

4. In all the plates that i spun when i was single and i went 4 years and was in max overdrive, probably went on 100 or so first dates.. about 50 of them went past first date stage and i would say about 30 of those i actually dated / spun as far as real plates i see often / non booty call women. i honestly can't think of one girl that i plate spun / we go to that point where she made the rotation, who didn't want to settle down with me. i didn't want to settle down with THEM.

with that asid, i'm a pretty hard core screened and there are a few women who i next'ed before they made the true rotation that i am sure would have **** caroused me. but that's why you screen.


IMHO, if there is a **** carousel crisis in america it's because women are desperate for a real man and there aren't any. Since I found this site, bettered myself and applied the principles this site teaches, i've never had a problem getting a woman to want to be a good girl. women, generally want tob e women is my experience. they want a strong man. there aren't any.

when women find that man they are happy to stop looking, from my experience.

the notion that women find a man that makes the gina tingle, has his **** in order and is not an AFC and lets him GO lol so she can fvck other beta males and go clubbing every night is laughable. i've not seen that often in real life.

edit: I will never ever ***** about a woman not falling head over heels for an AFC. Because AFC's to me are disgusting. so i don't blame them. you might have a guy who is cute but is a douche AFC. you might have a guy that has his **** in order as far as career but if he can't be the man of the house she will wonder that's just how women are.

I will never blame a woman for ditching a man because he isn't man enough. ever. i don't think that's fair and i think that's quite hyprocitical. thats just me.

1. having a back bone
2. Being self sufficnet
3. Taking care of your health
4. Being well rounded
5. Being Dependable

are just as important as how you look or how much money you make. AND just as important as how much game you have. NO it's not cute that your girlfriend dresses you or buys your clothes. No it's not cute that your wife does all the finances.

the good news is, we have a head start / understanding of this and can and do use it to our benefit.

 

[betheman]

what women value in men is fluid, it changes, sometimes it changes quickly, sometimes very slowly, its like a tide or a current, its also a bit unpredictable. whatever she feels her needs are, she wants those needs met and the man who can meet them, has value.
it neednt be just one man and I believe this is where some guys fall down, trying to be all things to all women, you cant, you can be a lot of things, like a male, walking multi tool, a jerk of all trades if you like, doing this will put you into the cross hairs of more women.