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THE FIVE LEVELS OF
SEDUCERS
Excerpted from the tape series “The Mastery Program: Your Step-by-Step Course in
Meeting, Flirting with, Dating and Seducing the Women of Your Dreams.”


We’ve discovered that there are five levels of seducers. It’s important to know which level
you are operating from, so you can assess yourself and move forward. Many men think
they are operating at a higher level than they are. Once you can be honest about where you
operate from, you can begin to make changes.


LEVEL 1: THE “HOPER.”


This man does nothing, and lives in hope that someday he’ll meet a woman who will want him.
He’s been so demoralized by his interaction with women that he can do nothing but wait help-lessly.
Most of the time this man ends up alone.


LEVEL 2: THE “OCCASIONAL TRYER.”


This man tries something to meet women every few weeks or months, but gets easily demoral-ized
and gives up, only to try again a few weeks or a few months later. Given infinite time, this
approach would work. Given one lifetime, it’s totally relying on luck, and the odds are against
you.



LEVEL 3A: THE “STUDIER.”

***yeah we see alot of these on this board whom I will leave nameless****

This man studies seduction, reads all the books, and perhaps argues about it on-line, or with
dating coaches, but he never is actually able to get himself to take action. His need to get it
right, and to have his interactions with women work perfectly the first time he tries them, leads
him to continuously study to perfect his technique while never taking action or risking rejection
or failure with a real-world woman. His need to study until he can do it “perfectly” stops this
man in his tracks.


LEVEL 3B: THE “QUICK FIXER.”


This man is looking for a quick fix to his dating problems. He’s taken in by anything that offers
him irresistible attraction to women with no real work involved. He empties his wallet on
pheromone-scented cologne, subliminal seduction tapes, or techniques which promise to teach
him how to bamboozle women and make them into sex slaves in f ive minutes or less. He often
lives in some past glory of the time his quick-fix approach to seduction actually worked. He keeps on the lookout for the next quick fix that will at last make him effortlessly irresistible to
the women of his dreams.


The Level 3 Seducer also sees success and failure in a very black-and-white way: either he
got sex, t o n i g h t, or he was a total failure. He’s unable to celebrate the successes he has wh i c h
m ove him on his way to becoming a successful seducer; he’s not willing to feel good about mov-ing
a seduction forward in small steps. He’s not able to feel good about his “fa i l u r e s ,” or to
r e c e ive the learning that he could get from seductions that don’t end in sex. His need to find a
quick fix leaves him unwilling to do the long-term work it takes to become a successful seducer.


LEVEL 4: THE MAN WHO WORKS THE FUNDAMENTALS.


The Level 4 Seducer understands something that levels 1 through 3 don’t: He understands that
the “war” in dating is not with women, with bad luck, or with the world. He understands that
the “war” is in his head, with himself.

This means that the Level 4 Seducer understands that the world doesn’t need to change. If
he wants his world to be different, he needs to change. He understands that, when it comes to
dating, there is no “quick fix,” and that studying until you get it “right” before talking to women
will always leave him in the cold, alone.
The Level 4 Seducer understands that successfully seducing women is like any other long-term
project. He understands that, at first, he will have to put a lot of energy into it, and settle
for small results until he gets better at it. He knows that at the beginning of learning any new
skill there is a lot of work, and that the returns at first are small. He understands that returns get
larger only as his skill level increases, and understands that will only happen with practice.

The Level 4 Seducer understands the Fundamentals of Seduction, and practices the funda-mentals
on a daily basis. He knows that only by mastering the fundamentals can he become a
more effortless and effective seducer.
He’s willing to do the work to get the results. His motto might be, “I understand that if my
world is to change, I must change. Just tell me what the work is to do, and I’ll do it.” He does
the work, takes responsibility for all of it, doesn’t expect women to generate anything, and gets
the results.


LEVEL 5: THE “MAN’S MAN.”


The Level 5 Seducer has integrated the fundamentals of seduction into his life so thoroughly
that he no longer has to think about them: they are part of who he is as a man, and he has the
relationships he wants with women, and the sex life he wants.
The Level 5 Seducer creates the life he wants on every level, either by generalizing the fun-damentals
of seduction to other areas of his life, or by discovering other fundamentals that he
can master to give him the results he’s after. The Level 5 makes his life work for him, and lives
life on his own terms. The Level 5 Seducer has a life and an affect that makes women want to
be around him. His life generates many opportunities to interact with women, and he’s so good
at seducing that women actually pursue him.


YOU CANNOT BE A LEVEL 5 SEDUCER WITHOUT MASTERING BEING A LEVEL
4 SEDUCER FIRST!
If you think you can be a Level 5 without mastering the fundamentals as a Level 4, you are
actually a Level 3, looking for a quick fix.
 

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I am "The Hoper"
 

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Player - What are you?

I am number 5. I now have to find ways to be almost 'ugly' to women sometimes now.

M.A.C.
 

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NOw that I look at this article again, it makes me realize that I have now reached the level 4 stage...

Thanks for bringing this article back to my attention, its a good one.
 
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Originally posted by Matt ala Casanova
Player - What are you?

I am number 5. I now have to find ways to be almost 'ugly' to women sometimes now.

M.A.C.

yeah same here. definately number 5 with a bullet. this game has gotten so easy it's boring at times. I know without a doubt that I can catch new ho's at the drop of a hat...and there is no more challenge to the game for me.

In fact I am bored. Sat. night I went out and lasted 45 minutes. Got 1 girls number and split. I haven't called her yet nor do I plan too.

That picture that I posted of me and my buddy and my explanation to him about how I wake up with my game face on and go to bed with it is testament to the level that I've reached bruh.

Oh I enjoy reading about your exploits...keep em coming.
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Originally posted by Player_Supreme

In fact I am bored.
Player,
Don Juan's aren't suppose to be bored. You need to get some passion in your life. Read some of Pook's post about improving yourself and not needing women.

Tony Robbins has tapes that are helpful also.

Player,
I really care about you and don't want to see you wasting away in a sea of boredom. I know you can do it.

We're all pulling for you. Go get'em.

Helter
 

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Level 3.5, "The Instinctive Tryer"

The Instinctive Tryer has some rejection issues, and can't pretend that he doesn't care about rejection. He has often overthought his approach beforehand, sometimes messed up the approach, and and had been temporarily stunned by rejection. Often this has caused him NOT TO APPROACH!

He has tried studying various seduction techniques and self help guides. However, he has to an extent given up trying to change himself to fit with society. It's proven to be an incredibly difficult excercise, and why should he? He's relatively happy with who he is.

At some instinctual level, the Instinctive Tryer knows he contains the values that he's been trying to harvest. He knows that some women, even hot women are attracted to him. And best of all, he can tell who and when and how much. And he knows that he can give those women a damn good time both in and out of bed.

So what's the major malfunction here? Simply overanalysis, over studying, overplanning, overcomplicating. Trying to put his instinct into manual override. That is the problem.

Hence, he stops planning ahead. He is just friendly to everyone, and if he feels chemistry then he sits back and lets his instinct take over. His success rate is at it's highest when he just relaxes and pays attention. If there is mutual attraction he will sense it and act without realising. His successes are born of instinct, not agenda. He is a man, he is genetically programmed to be sexually exciting to women. It doesn't need to be learned. It doesn't need to be practised. He just has faith in himself, and his instinct.
 

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I doubt he is bored perse. I think that the whole mystery to women catching is not so mysterious for him anymore. For myself I love the whole chase thing still, however I am not the type of person who sits at a club and only wishes anymore, I get chased and after a while, it can get boring.

I mix it up, I sometimes act like a chump just to work out different scenerios. Pvssy is pvssy...cut and dry!

M.A.C.
 

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Haha - jesus. These guys. At only 26 I THINK you have a couple of more things to learn than what you know now. It would be ridiculous to say that there is no higher "level" that you could possibly reach. Maybe the next level is realizing that this shyt isn't a game at all; and it's goal isn't for you to 'mack hoes'. But rather it's a way that you can figure out and understand YOURSELF. Maybe your next level is taking a different approach and becoming a better person because of it.
 
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Originally posted by Helter Skelter
Player,
Don Juan's aren't suppose to be bored. You need to get some passion in your life. Read some of Pook's post about improving yourself and not needing women.

Tony Robbins has tapes that are helpful also.

Player,
I really care about you and don't want to see you wasting away in a sea of boredom. I know you can do it.

We're all pulling for you. Go get'em.

Helter

hahaha thanks for the sentiment. I have Tony Robbins. I am working on improving myself. My boredom is with the game. I am at the stage where I am ready to retire and settle down again.

I've conquered myself in the area of women. I've reached the top and now I'm ready to attract (actually I have already) a soul connection.

If I had bought this person into my life years ago I would of ruined it. I am at the perfect stage to now create a long lasting friendship with a female.

This is what I ment when I said I will not be here much longer.

My time is ending in this game bruh...

peace
 

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Originally posted by xblitz44x
Haha - jesus. These guys. At only 26 I THINK you have a couple of more things to learn than what you know now. It would be ridiculous to say that there is no higher "level" that you could possibly reach. Maybe the next level is realizing that this shyt isn't a game at all; and it's goal isn't for you to 'mack hoes'. But rather it's a way that you can figure out and understand YOURSELF. Maybe your next level is taking a different approach and becoming a better person because of it.
Don't hate my friend.

I have a very good handle on my life, my goals, what I have and what I want.

Ask anyone that knows me from this board....

M.A.C.
 

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Player_Sup,

Thats really cool. I'm actually suprised of you to say that. That's exactly what i meant by saying that maybe it's time to graduate. Good shyt.

-Blitz

Mr. Cassanova,

I don't hate anybody. I'm just saying that if you honestly think that there's nothing else you could possibly improve about this "game" and that you feel like you have to try to be ugly sometimes; maybe it's time to take a different approach. Instead of walking around with the Cool Master DJ mentality "pvssy is pvssy", try to make some type of real, lasting connection with somebody. Maybe THAT is the part of you that needs the most work, or maybe it's another aspect of yourself.
 

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Originally posted by xblitz44x


Mr. Cassanova,

I don't hate anybody. I'm just saying that if you honestly think that there's nothing else you could possibly improve about this "game" and that you feel like you have to try to be ugly sometimes; maybe it's time to take a different approach. Instead of walking around with the Cool Master DJ mentality "pvssy is pvssy", try to make some type of real, lasting connection with somebody. Maybe THAT is the part of you that needs the most work, or maybe it's another aspect of yourself.
I understand what you are saying, but I happen to enjoy the mentality I carry around now. You see, I have had that lasting connection with someone in the past; it's not what I want in my life at the moment. I don't go around and bang just any pvssy, I seek out what I want and often find myself working the Alpha type girl. Don't get me wrong, girls can still pose a challenge for me, however it doesn't frustrate me like it once did. I pick and choose and 99% of the time I get what I want. Yes I am ****y, I am also very confident in what I know.

The next aspect of my life is yet to come...hence my sig.

M.A.C.
 

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Originally posted by Player_Supreme
I am at the perfect stage to now create a long lasting friendship with a female.
Player,
I would be honored to be your best man when the big day happens. I'm not trying to presume you'll pick me.
I know it's a toss up between me, Big Pimpin, Pimp daddy, Mr Pimpin, Pimpin My Way and the ever lovin... Be My Hobiitch

Congratulations bro
 

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In addition to the Mastery Program, which I've gone through too...I suggest you guys check out Robert Greene's "The Art of Seduction", a fairly good priced book on amazon.com. The book also classifies seducers. I consider myself the Rake while my wing, TylerDurden, is more of a Dandy. Mystery is Supastar. Ha!

Cheers,

Papa
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Originally posted by Helter Skelter
Player,
I would be honored to be your best man when the big day happens. I'm not trying to presume you'll pick me.
I know it's a toss up between me, Big Pimpin, Pimp daddy, Mr Pimpin, Pimpin My Way and the ever lovin... Be My Hobiitch

Congratulations bro
Wedding??? Not anytime soon. I said retire from the game but I'm not getting married...don't get it twisted. When the time comes when I feel I want to get married then I will. But that time isn't at present.

Getting P*ussy as I've stated is easy. It's laughably easy for me. I think as matt stated above 99 percent of the time. When you've get used to getting it like I have then you begin to elevate to another level. I'm 44 not in my 20's. I did elevate into the next levels...mackin and pimpin and then back to mackin and finally back to the player level. I've done all the steps.

That is why I stand on my soap box preaching reality not unreality. As one should when you reach this level of this izm.

I'm also not symping out like a weakassed AFC type either. I still keep my **** tight. I got into a recent argument with my new girl over a ex boy- friend of hers who is with a group called Hebrew Israelites:

1. My cell went dead because I had been talking on it with Craig while it was already dead and on the Charger.
2. In relation to our discussion:
3. 1. You seem defensive over your friend and that's cool. I personally think those whole movements where ludicrous back when they first came out. I personally do not have respect for a American Black person who tries to hide his shame by adopting another set of beliefs. This applies to the Hebrew Isralites, The Muslims, The Egyptians, The Mighty Isis paper readers and all the others.

4. It's a shame that such a smart and well read person as Kinoke would fall for this garbage. His intelligent mind could of done something else more productive. My own little brother has tried a lot of **** too even to being a buddist and listening to country music to escape the "yes I'm the great grand son of former slaves".

5. I have no respect for fools who change their birth name to something else because they are ashamed of having a white sounding name. This is as bad as the back to African people.
6. I am disappointed in you though. You said to me that "I get mad about **** that I know nothing about" That too me means that you have no faith in 'me'. If that is so then we need a different course to follow.

7. You seem to forget that I've been around a long time. If you think in my years that I've accrued stupid hatreds of things for no reason then your not very bright after all. You seem to think I don't have any idea about kinoke and all those others who adopted this stuff. You forgot about when I mentioned Sammy Davis Jr. He actually joined the real religion "Jewish" for a while and tried Satanism and a few others running in that high powered white circle that he ran in…being the token Negro caused him to look for anything other than what was connected to his own race and culture….much like the above followers.
8. As proof of what I am talking about in the area of racial insecurities. Remember when he told you about seeing white women. And if he was so into that **** he would not of done it with you. Even within that new crap he chose to pick and chose what he wanted. Recall the p*ussy beatings. That was his own anger at himself for being born black.

9. A lot of intelligent blacks have felt this way, myself included. That is how I know it when I see it.

10. As far as the Jewish folks are concerned I do see their point. How dare they call themselves Hebrew Is'ra' lites. Yeah lite is right too. And this is what regular blacks think of all those who chose the path above. Back then when someone talked about these movements we would just look at each other and shake our heads about the person. You know what I'm talking about, that look you give to someone else when you see someone is crazy…that's the one. They use to have recruiters at the Sacrament State College. Their message was anti-white. It took me a while to recall all this **** because it was back in the early 80's.

11. I'm not for any belief that is anti-white, jew, black, or whatever. The world has enough trouble without new bull **** raising up in the hands of intelligent promoters. Yeah it was the egg heads who were promoting these things along time ago. That night we went out to Trino's with your friend. The guys she were talking to were from similar groups. That is why I stayed out of the argument. If you doubt me have your friend call that fool up.

12. As far as the "so what" about Nazi germany…I don't believe you said that. I'm disappointed in you T . Any intelligent rational human being wouldn't say "so what" to all the death and destruction that was caused to the Jews. They have been persecuted out of every country and finally got theirs back. For a bunch of niggas in American who have no connection to Israel to call themselves after what those people fought and died by the millions for…I have no respect for this. Never mind bastardizing cultures and beliefs and twisting them for your own selfish use. As was explained to me: Those customs were ancient and most of them were abolished (about having ton's of kids). They would do better to steal from the Mormons. That custom was a way of insuring the survival of the Jewish People…the Hebrews….the Cannan's and all the other tribes of Jeduah.

13. As far as this discussion is concerned it's closed. You stick to your ideology and I will stick to mine. My reason for asking those jewish ladies about this was to confirm what I was recalling about the whole movement.

I will call you when my phone is charged up, so I guess you got the argument you wanted...now how do you feel

As far as those traditions are concerned. Those traditions are what make them a race and a religion of people. It is what binds them as one. It is what has kept the jew's together for centuries.

You in your fervor to escape the jehova program are tainted much like me about any religion. But the jew's are more than a book they read from. they have a whole history and culture and set of beliefs that they fought and died over.

How dare a bunch of nigga's over hear or any where take their heritage from them. I feel this way because that is what was done to black americans when we were bought over hear.

they took our drums...so we couldn't communicate. they took our pots and pans to stop the communication...and from that we (blacks) developed Tap dancing. Don't try to use this as an analogy to make a statement.

I have no wish to change my birth name to Mohammad azzi zi or anything like that. I was born who I am. I am called who I am because it was given to me by my parents. Spiritually they say we chose our name before birth so that we could work on certain energies that the name contains...and this goes back thousands of years.

you whom I call my womb, my home, my woman...insulted me. You said to me that "I get mad about shYt that I know nothing about". You think I talk out the side of my kneck...that I'm not real...that I'm full of ****??? ohh hell no byatch!!!!

I only talk about shyt that I know something about. Stuff that I don't you've heard me say "I don't know about that" before. One of my passions is History. I love it. I used to Crave it. that is why I know so much shyt. I remember what I learn. And that is because I love history.

Ok I'm heading out now. I also want to say that I don't respect a woman who raises her voice in argument against her man.


This issue we need to talk about babygirl.
 
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Now helmutz...let me give you some more game on handling women. It was 2 days before her period...so of course she was emotional...Of course she immediately went online after my cell phone went dead because I communicate over emails.

And of course Helmutz she read what I had to say and had no way of communicating with me. I let her stew all night even after she sent:


I wasn't angry or hurt until now. You twist my words. You don't have any desire to understand what I meant, just judge it. I am not sure I want to elaborate anymore on this subject with you. You have already made up your mind about how I am thinking and where it came from when in fact you are far from the truth. I will keep my mouth shut. I am repeating this just for emphasis...I was not angry or hurt until NOW.

I apologize for starting this discussion. I wish you had the patience to really know what I meant.


and after stewing all night:


what a beautiful place it would seem. Although you can 't appreciate the beauty of anything without seeing the ugliness as well. You are my center and my light. To deviate into your prior darkness only makes me love the light so much more. Please never forget your power. My rock (you) must be used for building not tearing down. I love that you can recognize what others would sweep under the rug of insignificance. The intensity of my love for you only wishes to mend and heal. I mean no disrespect to you ever. I understand your sensitivity and will do my best to keep my voice at a tolerable level even when I get excited. I will continue to recognize when I am feeling out of line and work to correct that. I did have issues with talking back just as my daughter has with me now. I have had many hands cross over my cheeks (face and ass) checking my disrespect. It isn't a surprise that I continue to uncover the same as an adult. I am a work in progress reaching to achieve a higher level of awareness. I bow down and deviate to your mind:) My love, my guide, my teacher, and partner. You make it easy to love. When it seemed so difficult in the past, before we met, I wonder if it was real back then. You are the real love that I desire and need.

Love Always,


Yeah I still know how to handle women Helmutz. There is a difference from sympin and pimpin.

When I leave this game behind I will still be the man that I am and I will still handle my business as a man. If I had met this intelligent women years ago she would of walked over me like she did a bunch of other fools.


So just because I said I might be retiring from this game doesn't mean that I'm weak or am weakening....so stay in the background where ya belongs and quit trying to nip at my heels like a jackal to the lion.
Peace lill bruh.
 
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Originally posted by Pap
In addition to the Mastery Program, which I've gone through too...I suggest you guys check out Robert Greene's "The Art of Seduction", a fairly good priced book on amazon.com. The book also classifies seducers. I consider myself the Rake while my wing, TylerDurden, is more of a Dandy. Mystery is Supastar. Ha!

Cheers,

Papa
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Read it. I enjoyed the history lessons. That's why I always ask the "I'm here to better myself" folks if they new the real story of Don Juan. If they knew they would laugh and maybe try to be more like the original than this new aged 'better myself" bull ****.


I was also amazed at how parralell to pimp ideolgy the book ran. All the tools of pimping a girl were present. Even the section on Isolation. Straight out of the pimps handbook.
 

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PS,

I too would be honored to be your best man, I will even hold the Onion Ring in my pocket, until you are ready to slip it on your wife's chopsticky fingers.

I think you have finally graduated from being a street hustling, womanzing pimp, to being a true man who could appreciate one woman.

So may I have your little black book too while you are at it? I promise I wont touch all the "Chik-n' Fila" cards and Subway stamps shoved in there, nor will I study the IM's you inscribed under each womans phone number.

Peace brah
 
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Originally posted by Starman
PS,

I too would be honored to be your best man, I will even hold the Onion Ring in my pocket, until you are ready to slip it on your wife's chopsticky fingers.

I think you have finally graduated from being a street hustling, womanzing pimp, to being a true man who could appreciate one woman.

So may I have your little black book too while you are at it? I promise I wont touch all the "Chik-n' Fila" cards and Subway stamps shoved in there, nor will I study the IM's you inscribed under each womans phone number.

Peace brah
I was waiting for you to crawl in sm and now you can:

Kiss my natural black ass starman, that's what you can do and take those onion rings and ***********

As far as my black book you mean my file on my hard-drive....you couldn't handle those women. You would be on here every day posting:


Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Is she interested?

need opinons

what's up with this grl

Signs of Depression?

Guys solve this situation for me

and the list would go on and on every day every nite for weeks to come.

So in the interested of not boring the members of this board I will defer my list to just my memories....


peace back at ya
 
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