*** What to expect out of marriage?"

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OK, fair enough. My thoughts, as usual, made a beeline for the gutter. Not the curb, not the street, not even a watermain... right to the gutter. :D

(The post was intended as humour. It is a test. It is only a test. If it were a real post, you would be instructed on what to do, who to do it with, how to get there and what to use to wipe up with after you were finished. But it is only a test.)
 

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Originally posted by earthshyne
OK, fair enough. My thoughts, as usual, made a beeline for the gutter. Not the curb, not the street, not even a watermain... right to the gutter. :D

(The post was intended as humour. It is a test. It is only a test. If it were a real post, you would be instructed on what to do, who to do it with, how to get there and what to use to wipe up with after you were finished. But it is only a test.)
lol...I know you're joking...so am I. Unfortunately, even mild joking that looks even remotely like flirting on here leads to a few crotchety types to get their undies in a bunch. Since I'm here to attempt to offer input from a woman that is actually honest, up front and useful, I really try not to do the flirting thing. I'm sure you understand. Oh...and don't get married! You'll get taken for everything you have. :D
 

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
lol...I know you're joking...so am I. Unfortunately, even mild joking that looks even remotely like flirting on here leads to a few crotchety types to get their undies in a bunch. Since I'm here to attempt to offer input from a woman that is actually honest, up front and useful, I really try not to do the flirting thing. I'm sure you understand. Oh...and don't get married! You'll get taken for everything you have. :D
Hmmm... bunched undies... reminds me, I have to do laundry today...

But seriously folks... this board is pretty new to me (as a poster, though I lurked for a while before climbing on board with my patronizing and pedantic painintheass prose) so I'm still fumbling my way around. Thanks for the input, I take it as advice offered in good faith.

Cheers!
 

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Originally posted by Oxide
Now, lets move into this: Ok, so yes, there are a lot of divorces, we figured that out. However, what about those couples who had been married for a long time and celebrating their diamond weddings> (50 years) How do they keep the marriage alive?
Try to remember that just because these people are together doesn't mean they are HAPPY. The 50% who don't divorce aren't nessisarity successful they are just still together... they may hate each other, but they are just together... that doesn't make them happy nessisarily.
 

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Originally posted by Oxide
what happens when you are stuck with your wife for 15 years, how freaking bored are you gonna get?
This is something I've never understood. I've had freindships that have lasted 10+ years and I don't get "bored" of them. While we've all moved in our seperate ways that doesn't mean I don't still reguarly see these guys. I'm still friends with people I met in high school... hell I still know one guy from pre-school!

So what do you mean by bored? Your human ways confuse me. :confused: :D :D
 

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So what do you mean by bored? Your human ways confuse me.
I think Oxide means that marriage life slowly degenerates itself into a life of routine.

In Marriage people seem to take up a whole lot of reponsibility more then they can handle and it seems that everything around them is rotting instead of growing.

Typical Marriage: Husband and Wife both working crazy hours, go into debts, have kids that puts a heavier burden on their social life and pockets, they barley have time to spend with one another other then dinner where they are both too tired to do anything else but just watch t.v. Arguments about relationship not being fulfilled and money and life in general. They get fat, old and bitter together.

If a relationship can't grow it cannot survive and be healthy.

As for earthshyne Your C&F will not work on Wyldfire, she knows our secrets!!
 

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Originally posted by DJDamage
I think Oxide means that marriage life slowly degenerates itself into a life of routine.

In Marriage people seem to take up a whole lot of reponsibility more then they can handle and it seems that everything around them is rotting instead of growing.

Typical Marriage: Husband and Wife both working crazy hours, go into debts, have kids that puts a heavier burden on their social life and pockets, they barley have time to spend with one another other then dinner where they are both too tired to do anything else but just watch t.v. Arguments about relationship not being fulfilled and money and life in general. They get fat, old and bitter together.

If a relationship can't grow it cannot survive and be healthy.

As for earthshyne Your C&F will not work on Wyldfire, she knows our secrets!!
lol...you're right about what happens in most marriages. Couples who make it a priority to give them time to still date and be attentive to each other usually do better.

What does or doesn't work with me is irrelevent. I'm here to help, not to hunt. :D
 

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lol...you're right about what happens in most marriages. Couples who make it a priority to give them time to still date and be attentive to each other usually do better.
People tend to change over the years and therefore if they don't pay attension sooner or later they are going to get hit with the reality they are married to a total stranger.


What does or doesn't work with me is irrelevent. I'm here to help, not to hunt.
Well according to our "trusted" DJ Bible that can be ******** for: "I am here to help you chumps out, but if there is a real man among you who doesn't need my help and knows what he wants then why not take a chance?!"

Based on what Iv'e "learned" here, everything you say should be taken with a grain of salt :)


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( I made my answer to be C&F so it will make you laugh and I think I did a pretty good job but I only let you know my true motives after the facts *But you already knew that* but lets get back to topic before this great thread will be derailed) and yes I am aware of the nonsense of being C&F over the net because its an AFC manuver that does not increase interest level but lowers it.
 

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"********" doesn't apply to me. Seeing as Pook is the "authority" in these parts regarding "********" and he also gave me "Dude" status, you don't have to look for hidden messages or agenda in my posts.

With that being said...

Yes, people change over the years, and in marriage (or just a LTR), if the couple don't strive to change WITH each other, staying close and growing together, they are ultimately doomed. The work doesn't stop after you say "I do"...but the vast majority of people seem to think it does. You only get from marriage what both parties put into it.
 

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Originally posted by DJDamage
In Marriage people seem to take up a whole lot of reponsibility more then they can handle and it seems that everything around them is rotting instead of growing.

Typical Marriage: Husband and Wife both working crazy hours, go into debts, have kids that puts a heavier burden on their social life and pockets, they barley have time to spend with one another other then dinner where they are both too tired to do anything else but just watch t.v. Arguments about relationship not being fulfilled and money and life in general. They get fat, old and bitter together.
I see now what you are saying, but these things would seem to be more a function of the people themselves than the nature of marriage.

No offence to anyone (for once in my life) but how many people make a conscious effort to age like wine instead of vinager? Almost none in my experience. It's as though they seek safety and never want to be let back out. This character flaw is probably the thing that leads to what we see in marriages. These people were always boring, they just didn't relize it.
 

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www.nomarriage.com

Thats the best advice I can give with whats already been said. That place if you haven't checked it out already will give you a great overview of exactly what you're getting into. May make you think twice before tying the knot because you think thats just what you're suppose to do. I'm not getting married and it doesn't bother me in the least. But I also don't plan on having children so it equals out. Most men however want to spread their seed, so just take a look at that site before doing so. Or doing it out of wedlock, either way.
 

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Why is there a thread about marriage, with no responses from guys who got married and STAYED married? If we're only hearing from people whose marriages did not work out, of course it's going to sound very one-sided.

I think double-income marriages suck and are doomed to fail. When I am married, my wife will only work if we have no kids, or if all of the kids are out of the house, and even then, it will only be part time at max, more for her personal enrichment and whatnot than for any sort of monetary benefits, since I plan to make enough to support the entire family.
 

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I am still convinced that when you hear of these 50 plus year marriages, you will find that the husband has become a chump and the wife rules him. Saw it with my own Grandparents. My grandfather was not a chump in his earlier days, BTW. But she ruled him when he was 50+ years old.

A man can only stay with one woman for over 50 years if he just gives up the fight. That is the only way.

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Originally posted by MetalFortress
When I am married, my wife will only work if we have no kids, or if all of the kids are out of the house...
So let me get this straight: You're gonna demand that this wife of yours stay home with the kids?

Good luck with that.

Oh, and even if she agrees to it beforehand, she'll very likely change her mind.
 

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Originally posted by MetalFortress
Why is there a thread about marriage, with no responses from guys who got married and STAYED married? If we're only hearing from people whose marriages did not work out, of course it's going to sound very one-sided.

I think double-income marriages suck and are doomed to fail. When I am married, my wife will only work if we have no kids, or if all of the kids are out of the house, and even then, it will only be part time at max, more for her personal enrichment and whatnot than for any sort of monetary benefits, since I plan to make enough to support the entire family.
You're being unrealistic.

First of all, in this day and age you are less likely to find a woman who will be willing to stay home. Secondly, if you have children, unless you make 6 figures a year, it's going to take two incomes to afford to raise them in the way you will want to.
 

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Originally posted by earthshyne
So let me get this straight: You're gonna demand that this wife of yours stay home with the kids?

Good luck with that.

Oh, and even if she agrees to it beforehand, she'll very likely change her mind.
Even is he manages to find a woman who initially wants to be a stay at home mother...after doing that for awhile you get VERY lonely for adult interaction during the day. It was different back when women didn't really work much outside of the home. There were neighborhood housewives who could get together while their children played and what not. But today, neighborhoods are like ghost towns during the work day with both parents working, the kids in school or daycare and the life of stay at home mothers becomes VERY depressing. They're left with chocolate, ice cream, soap operas and talk shows. And you all know what that means for the husband. He walks in from work to hear "You're not romantic enough. You never take me out...and I'm stuck here cleaning, cooking and taking care of the kids all day. She gains a lot of weight, loses interest in sex and everyone ends up miserable.

He'll figure it out...probably the hard way.
 

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An LTR/Marriage definitely limits a guy's ambitions in most circumstances. My advice is always to remain unattached or non-exclusive until such time as a guy can understand what his value is to a woman and the accountability he will assume by getting involved in a marriage or LTR. Yet again, this is why I always advise men to never even consider monogamy until 25 and I'd revise that to maybe 30. Guys like to entertain the idea that they're the special case and that the woman they chose (or chose them more often than not) will support or at least tolerate his ambitions and his personality while she entertains the idea that she'll 'fix' him to coincide with her own expectations.

However that's not to deny that in some relationships, such as my own, the woman (my wife) is in fact supportive of the ambitions I have and makes sacrifices in order for me to achieve them. That said though, the decisions and ambitions I have also have to fit her sense of security - I am limited to what I can pursue; for example, I just completed a dual deegree in Fine Art and Psychology. This took me 4 years to complete with the sacrifice of a lot of personal time between not only us, but my daughter as well, my wife was very supportive of this because it benefits all of us. However, if I had aspirations to go back to becoming a rcokstar or any other goal I may personally find satisfying, but she didn't feel was 'worth' pursuing, then the issues of accontability, responsibility and liability are forced.

If all your husband's highest aspirations were was to play X-Box, drink beer and watch anime for days on end I'd think you'd be less supportive of him.

I have too many male friends and have counseled too many frustrated men with the same story. They got involved before they had a chance to really understand what was expected of them and what their worth really was. Their aspirations died, not entirely because some woman killed them, but because they were convinced that they had to let them go in light of the responsibilities they had to assume. The women they became involved with only hindered them,but they took it upon themselves to limit themselves. Also remember that this limitation isn't just about career moves, but a guy's own personal understanding of himself. It's a natural tendency for women to want to 'fix' a guy into the mental schema she's internalized a guy should be. It's the "he's not perfect, but I'm working on him" mentality that is the most damaging form of accountability in an LTR. If a guy is developing an understanding of himself that conflicts with her idealization of the 'perfect boyfriend/husband', her logical recourse will be to alter this understanding to accomodate her expectations - and again her methods for engendering a different self-perception for the guy are fostering an internalized sense of responsibility, liability and accountability. Let me be clear, I'm not suggesting that this is some malicious plot most women secretly have - in fact I'd go as far as to say that most women are completely unaware of their behaviors in this regard or their expectations have been so regularly reinforced by their family and peers ("he should do the 'right' thing") that it becomes an ego investment and taken as a given that the question of their motives never enters their thoughts.

All this may sound like I'm down on marriage, I'm not anti-marriage, I'm anti-bad-manipulative-lack-of-understanding-marriage. I've been happily married for 8.5 years now, but (with the exception of having a kid) I knew what I was getting into. I got lucky. I have a wife who does limit me in a sense, but supports me in other ways. At the same time she know what I expect of her and takes action to comply with me. That's not to say I don't get the occasional sh!t test that I have to man-up to, but that's what reminds her that she married the right guy. I have to go against her expectations to be who I am and not compromise certain aspects of my life and personality and this is as it should be. No woman wants you to agree and identify with her all the time, this is what guys don't get before they get involved in an LTR. In fact the surest way for my wife to lose all respect for me would be for me to give up my identity and acquiesce to every expectation she has. She has to be told 'no' and be able to humbly accept it. Guys seem to think that if she doesn't get her way all the time she'll go frigid on them when in acuality it's these instances that help her affirm her attraction to them.

And yes, there are great experiences that you share together as a couple, but these experiences have to be earned by both sexes after they have a mature understanding of who they are. There's a common myth that good marriages take constant work; this is nonsense. Guys understand working at a relationship as trying to figure out what it will take to get her to put out more regularly and women see 'working' on a relationship as 'working' on him. A good relationship is effortless if both people know who they are themselves and no one is 'working' to change the other. It's later, maybe years into the relationship that women realize that all their 'work' has been for nothing since he wont change for her or he changes so much to her specifications that she realizes he isn't his own person, has no spine and she moves on to the next fixer-upper. And guys get to the point where they figure it's less work and more rewarding to go back to trying to figure out what it takes to get into the pants of random women being single again, than trying to figure out what compromise it'll take to get his wife 'in the mood' for a watered down passion.
 

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Originally posted by dietzcoi
I am still convinced that when you hear of these 50 plus year marriages, you will find that the husband has become a chump and the wife rules him. Saw it with my own Grandparents. My grandfather was not a chump in his earlier days, BTW. But she ruled him when he was 50+ years old.
I couldn't agree more. My Grandfather as well, and my wife's step-father is a 63 y.o. AFC who still doesn'r understand that the best way get his wife off is to tell her 'NO'. My mother-in-law is a Proszac nightmare so she can muster up the will to have sex with him once every 2 months or so and all he does is pander to her and buy her pets to make her even remotely affectionate towards him. But even this backfires as the pets get more attention than he does.

Originally posted by dietzcoi A man can only stay with one woman for over 50 years if he just gives up the fight. That is the only way.
Don't agree here though. This is one way. A marriage can work for 50+ years if both people have respect for each other's gender roles. Men have to stay men in marriage and be sure to keep their wives in check, or marriage will just become one life-long sh!t test. We always advocate confidence and decisiveness for AFCs or RAFCs when they're in the game, but I'd say it's even more important in an LTR or marriage. In single life as in LTR/Married life you have to be the PRIZE and be confident enough to walk away or hold out for what YOU want. No vagina, married or single is worth compromising your personality for; this is what a guy should always bear in mind.
 

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Rollo...unfortunately, most people lack the kind of "tools" and attitude necessary to have a mature relationship. For those who lack those tools, marriage or a LTR is a lot of work. That work consists of either putting a great deal of effort into keeping their own thoughts, feelings and reactions in check or contending with the fallout from NOT keeping those things in check.

Learning to just accept others as they are without feeling compelled to "fix", "change" or "mold" them into someone else is probably THE single MOST liberating lesson in life. :D
 
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