What to Do, What to Do...

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So here's the situation. I met this girl in early June, Anna. She's ridiculously hot and going into her Junior year (I'll be a Senior), so I figure she's had some experience before. I turn on the DJ, and we start dating. After a little bit, I learn that she's never had a boyfriend before and never really dated. Never even made out with a guy until me. She's very sheltered. So a few weeks into it, everything's going well, and she's turned out to be a great girl, so I figure I'll try to make things official soon. It came up in a conversation we were having, and she said she didn't want a serious relationship yet. I was thrown off a bit, but her friend thought it might just be nervousness, since she was in uncharted waters. Fair enough, I think.

But the relationship thing came up again a week later, and I asked a couple different questions. This time she said that now that she's dated me, she's kinda been opened up to the whole dating thing and might wanna date other guys once school starts. Yeah, there's a ****in stomach shot.

Thing is, she doesn't always act like that. After the relationship conversations, she found out that I had hooked up with another girl since then and seemed very upset about that. I told her that it was how dating worked and if she wanted that to stop, then officially going out with me was the way to go. Last week, she spent three days in New York and came back with a present for me on her birthday. She's very flirty and such when we're out.

When we're not out, though, it's a bit different. She keeps phone calls real short, which can be a good thing, but I usually look for trying to talk a lot on the phone as a sign of attraction from a girl. I've also tried to back off for the past few days and haven't called or seen her since Sunday. We'd usually go out somewhere about every other day and at least talk briefly on the days in between. Unfortunately, she hasn't called once in that time, which seems to me to be another bad sign, as girls who are into me generally will call at least once in a three-day period (and usually more than once).

So the question is... how exactly do I handle this, given her level of inexperience? I'd like her to slide over into wanting a relationship with me, and I've decided to try two things to see if that can happen: give her a bit less attention, and tell her that after thinking about it, I might want to just date around a while too. Reverse psychology might just work. Other than that, I need ideas. She's still up for dates, hooking up, all that, and obviously has some feelings towards me, but I need to make them stronger without getting into the really advanced stuff that she could really take the wrong way since she's new to all this. Hell, for all I know she hasn't called because she thinks only the guy is supposed to call in these sort of things (she's kinda like that). Anyways, any and all thoughts are appreciated, and if you have any similar stories yourself, go ahead and share them. But if you're gonna post something like "obviously she hates you, next her," then don't bother. I'm still dating around, keeping my options open, but she's the highest on the list of girls I know right now, so I'd like to make it work. Thanks.
 

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Why do I keep hearing people wanting to declare a relationship is official? It's official when it's official and you'll both will know it without having to say a word. The way to get her into a relationship is to subtly push it in that direction but never say it. A relationship should never be discussed until you have at least gotten into her pants. And she should be the one who brings it up. If you bring it up, it shows her that you're insecure and that's why you want to establish something to lock her in. She has to be the one who wants to lock you in ;).

And if she wants to "lock" you in, she'll stop dating other guys without you having to say a word. It seems that you're already heading that direction since she got jealous when she knows about your other girl. Just watch her, if she goes out with another guy, call up your other girl, fair enough. If you're the only one she goes out with, then you should do the same. How do you know this without having to spy on her? She'll almost always be available especially on "weekends." Randomize your dating schedule and try short-notice dates. Chill out and be cool.

If you haven't at least kissed her (I hope you did), do it now. One of those days you'll be begging her to leave you alone.

P.S. By the way, she's a Junior in High School (17)? Darn, don't do anything illegal ai' ;).
 

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After the relationship conversations, she found out that I had hooked up with another girl since then and seemed very upset about that. I told her that it was how dating worked and if she wanted that to stop, then officially going out with me was the way to go.
This is such a noob mistake man.

Whoever brings up the relationship conversations has less power. It means the game is over for her. She seduced you and you submitted to her charms. Challenge is gone, uncertainty is gone. You're too boring, open and willing right now.

You should've never brought "the conversation" in the first place. Just fukk her a few times and it would've sealed the deal.

Now you've lost it. She doesn't respect you man. First of all, you've become clingy and attached, all without even fukking her. She sensed it and understood that she deserved better.

So she's starting to date other guys, even tells you so: "This time she said that now that she's dated me, she's kinda been opened up to the whole dating thing and might wanna date other guys once school starts."

You take her crap and swallow it. She's telling you in your face that she wants to date other guys, and basically that you're not good enough. You do nothing.

At this point you should've walked away saying: "Good luck dating other guys" Because you don't tolerate your women dating around.

Oh wait, you do... Good luck getting out of this one. You should next her.
 

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Originally posted by Ice Cold
This is such a noob mistake man.

Whoever brings up the relationship conversations has less power. It means the game is over for her. She seduced you and you submitted to her charms. Challenge is gone, uncertainty is gone. You're too boring, open and willing right now.

You should've never brought "the conversation" in the first place. Just fukk her a few times and it would've sealed the deal.

Now you've lost it. She doesn't respect you man. First of all, you've become clingy and attached, all without even fukking her. She sensed it and understood that she deserved better.

So she's starting to date other guys, even tells you so: "This time she said that now that she's dated me, she's kinda been opened up to the whole dating thing and might wanna date other guys once school starts."

You take her crap and swallow it. She's telling you in your face that she wants to date other guys, and basically that you're not good enough. You do nothing.

At this point you should've walked away saying: "Good luck dating other guys" Because you don't tolerate your women dating around.

Oh wait, you do... Good luck getting out of this one. You should next her.
....and this would be exactly what I was talking about when I said you might as well not respond. I didn't bring it up, we were just talking about our lives and such and she mentioned that she'd never had a relationship before. I aksed why, she gave me a couple reasons, and so on a so forth.

I won't bother arguing with the rest of that, since while I know I ain't in the absolute greatest position, I'm entirely sure that I ain't being walked all over. Doubt me? Fine. But don't waste my time or yours by posting that much bullsh!t about it.

Anyways, Anaconda, things are declared official in high school, that's just how it works. And, wow, yeah, I've kissed her. Jesus, that happened on our first date, things in that department are fine. I'm just trying to see if I can seal her up for myself.
 

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Im 2 years out of HS now, sopho in college. Yes in HS when your dating it is "declared" because that is how it is in HS. What you need to do is make sure your not the one to "declare" it. Ice isnt burning you but giving it to you how it is. And i agree with him. She said "now that ive dated you" which means she HAS (past tense) dated you. You should have said "Goodluck dating other guys then" and walked off just like ice said. This would have made her either come back to you or go and date her other guys. But this didnt happen. When you told her "that is how dating works and if you want it to stop then officially going out with me is the way to go." Shouldn't have said that because that is saying that you are doing these things in order to force her into a relationship. Instead maybe should have said something like "We'll we're not officially dating so whats the big deal?" let her be the one who wants to initiate the talk of "official".

IMO to save this just lay back some, random dates, call her after school and get her to chill with you, if she says no or makes an excuse with no counter then realize that you need to knock her to the bottom of your list. NO MORE talk of "The Relationship" unless she starts it.. if she does just act like whatever. Also DO NOT talk to her friend about it. Trust me you are only hurting yourself when you do this. You know that she likes you and that is all you need to know. Whatever the friend tells you at this point is useless. So just be a guy, do your thing, dont turn ur IL away from her but just be chill for a while, get her on chill dates etc..

Good luck.
 

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2Ballistik: I'm sorry if the truth offends you, my dear :D

Dude - wtf is this? You ask for advice on condition that you're not gonna be hurt by the response? Grow up
 

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Originally posted by Ice Cold
2Ballistik: I'm sorry if the truth offends you, my dear :D

Dude - wtf is this? You ask for advice on condition that you're not gonna be hurt by the response? Grow up
*rolls eyes* I specifically asked for that kind of post to not be made because its by far the most common post in this forum. Anytime anything goes wrong for a guy, half the members of the board try to be the first one to say "Wow, she hates you, NEXT her!" This girl and I still hang out a lot, still hook up plenty, and she's damn hot.... why the hell would I just toss that? I don't come here for advice on how not to hook up with hot women.

Any other advice, however, is appreciated. Like Seeph's. A couple good thoughts in there, Seeph, I'll see whath appens.
 
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