What to do after secluding target in a club?

[Solarium]

FR: 3 approaches at a school nightclub. Advices and critiques welcome

I have problem seducing girls after dancing/introducing myself, building attraction, and bringing her to an secluded area. I'm not sure if I'm pushing it too fast, or if she's scared being alone with me. I brought 3 girls to seclusion tonight and failed with all 3 to do more than make out. I try to get them to qualify themselves, but for some reason they always sniff that sh1t out and it gets backfired on me. These b1tches are too damn smart these days. So I end up discussing about Don Juaness to one of the girls, and tell her straight up that I'm not looking for a long term relationship, which probably wasn't a good idea. These girls were grabbing my ass earlier and macking me during the dance, and for some reason when I bring them out and start the conversation everything just crashes. I know that we need to practice whatever we're weak at, but give me some hints how to seduce in an secluded area.

Also to the Gunwitch method of sticking to a girl until you get totally rejected. I find that if you stick yourself to her you may appear too desperate. Am I missing some extra info here, how do you stick to a target without appearing desperate? One of the girls was pretty much set with me, after I let her go after our sad secluded convo, and other guys beginning to hit on her too, I just couldn't get myself to go for her again without looking too desperate.

I need advice to learn when to let go and walk away, and when to stick around until they break their guard.

Here's what I remember our convo (condensed and sh1t):
starting off with me bringing her to a more secluded area after dancing...
me: hey let's go to a quieter place so we can talk
her: ok
walk to place...
... some small talk...
me: I hope you're not trying to take advance of me, as I am getting a little drunk
her: oh, yeah right, like *I* am trying to take advance of you
me: most girls do, I can't help but exude charm and sexiness
her: haha aren't you ****y
me: and funny
her: blabblah (i don't remember)
... some more small talk...
me: hey I like your smile, do you always smile when talking to guys
her: I pretty much always smile
me: *start to slide my hand to brush her hair*
her: *seems uneasy about it*
me: so when's the last time you've done something wild, you not a prude are you?
her: i'm pretty much a good girl, never partied much
me: why's that, parents too strict?
her: yea when my parents found a pic of me and my roommate with a guy in a shower, they transfered me to another school
me: wow you dirty animal
her: oo haha it wasn't like that, it was his birthday and we were fully clothed
me: yea right, it must have been your first threesome experience
her: nah I never had a threesome before
me: you sound like a wild party person, how can you say you are innocent?
her: I only slept with 4 guys before
me: yea and you multiply that by 3... blahblah
her: haha american pie
me: *proceed to talk to her why she wants to become a doctor*
her: *blahblahblahblah*
me: so you are one of those independent girls, what makes you think you can become a doctor?
her: well I'm intelligent, confident, beautiful, blhblahblah
me: you sound like a man, you must like b1tches for husbands *already losing interest*
her: blahblahblahblah
me: *somehow switched the subject from a seduction process into a deeper conversation, which isn't necessarily bad, but she totally kicked my ass at this... and I lost the dominance in our convo*
her: *seems to lose interest*
me: *gets frustrated, and likes her less* ok let's go back, I need a drink *pulls out with tail between my legs*

Was I not building enough attraction before secluding the girl, not seducing her enough during the seclusion, losing my dominance in the convo showing weakness? I always get this tendency of losing my cool once target and I are secluded, and attempting to kiss/smell hair too early.

 

[danielzxc]

I'm not sure if I'm pushing it too fast, or if she's scared being alone with me. I brought 3 girls to seclusion tonight and failed with all 3 to do more than make out.

I take it you didn't make it with ALL three of them, though, right?

Like, the one in your convo example, you didn't end up making out with yeah?

To address that one, you were doing prett well man. Where you screwed up was when you moved from talking about her being innocent/threesome/american pie to talking about being a doctor. Basically, your moment to strike was right after the threesome talk, or to just continue talking in THAT direction a bit more. But you went the OTHER way, back to more normal stuff.

If I had to guess, I would say at that point you were THINKING about going for a kiss, but you backed out, but you still wanted to continue the convo, and so you came up with the "doctor" questions.

The doctor stuff is not sexual at all, so that's why her interest started dying down.

You reallly can't afford to move backwards man, from sexual to non-sexual. The only way forward is from non-sexual TO sexual. If you do the reverse (sex to non-sex), it backfires on you bad, and the interest level drops real quick.

I don't wanna sound too harsh on you, cos bro, I'm having the same prob myself at the moment. (Well, not in clubs/seclusion sense, but in the losing interest by going "backwards" thing.)

At clubs, I haven't really had this problem though. That's because I've always just believed that if she comes with you, she knwos what's up, so you just go straight for the kissing, or just a bit of sexual talk, and then kiss her.

From the kissing, moving towards a lay is just a matter of pushing the right buttons on her. You know, get her that hot for it that she can't resist. That's another topic though, I think.

 

[Solarium]

I think my problem is reaping the rewards too soon, before they are ripe enough... if you get my drift. I need to play the game more carefully next time, make fun of her more, do more kino, build up more attraction before actually intend to make out with her. I always have this problem too... gets easy girls FAST but doesn't ever work on hotter girls.

For the seclusion, is it usually wise for both parties to sit next to each other, facing the same way or standing up somewhere next to a wall (easy to corner her). I find that sitting next to each other has intimacy, but gets hard to look her in the eyes after awhile since your neck hurts from twisting side ways, while if you both stand up you can spontaneously salsa with her, and build up to more and more sexy dances perhaps.

Anyway, onto my other point. How long should you stick to a girl and not appear too desperate? Am I giving up too fast, or have I lost attraction already which leads to my gut feeling of getting myself out of there. I forget to mention that usually during the clubs, since I know most of the students in this school, I usually hop around and meet people I know in groups in the beginning. This builds my social proof for any new girls, as I let girls who already know me flirt with me really ostentaciously so that everyone else can see. This forms a bad habit for me to jump out any tough situation too quickly, which is perhaps the reason why I have problem at this stage of seduction.

We'll see how next time goes. Practice makes perfect.

Btw, when girls ask you to "walk me home." Is that a straight forward saying of "take me home and fvck me." They can ask pretty much anyone of their girlfriends to walk them home, and the reason that they ask me instead shows their interest in me? I always think it's a sh1t test in their 1st step into asking you to do something for them, and if you say yes you are falling into a trap of being a nice guy, and if you say no you are being a jerk, plus you lose the chance of having a potential fvck. I had a few girls from last parties asking me to do that, one of them I walked home doing some major kinoing on the way back to her place. But I didn't push any further once we got to her steps, waiting for her signal for me to come up with her. Either she was bad at giving signals, or again I ****ed out too early and wasn't pushing hard enough.

 

[Solarium]

Come on guys, I wrote too much for this thread to die without at least 10 advices