What the hell just happened? (Here is a reason why I went MGTOW, stalled and now going back)

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So I went MGTOW (or at least tried to) and completely abandoned the entire biological drive of chasing women for sex/relationships etc. This took place for some of November and most of December and for the first time in a long time I actually felt pretty light and easy going. The simplicity of not having to worry about women and having a mostly positive state of mind was a great experience but something happened along the way.


To keep it short and simple I had this average looking girl who seemed like she was trying to get with me for nearly a year. Eventually I began ignoring her and just several weeks ago she began getting extra touchy and sexually suggestive with me and I played along. At one point she had me walking around in public with a raging hard on and I think there were people that took notice. Anyways a week after that I was joking around about bringing her home with me and later that same day she brought up the joke and said "I really enjoy going down on a guy and having him take control of me. It turns me on sssssooooo much". At that point she got me hooked and I couldn't stop thinking about her. I tried to fight it but I couldn't. I realized that I was quickly losing my composure and wanted to take possession of her. I was under a nasty spell which I’m now thankfully getting over. It was so bad that it caused me so much grief and anguish to think about her with another guy and even caused me to deny my own logic. Logic is easy to preach in controlled conditions but goes straight out the window when dealing with women like these.


Fast forward a few days later I ask her to hang out with me and then she quits responding. I’m aware that was just a way of not having to say “no”. Now when I see her in person she acts all brand new, has stiff body language (looks like she’s in a state of fear) and gives the cold shoulder. She also walks around with **** blockers (unaware of their role) if she knows I’ll be around. I just behave like I’m detached to the entire situation (I’m really good at this) and leave her alone but in reality I’m ****ing pissed off that she extracted so much energy out of me and entirely threw off my momentum in my personal life. To be honest I don’t even think it necessary for her to make the situation awkward. I can be perfectly fine and function normal when facing her even after being turned down. I won’t even bring it up, behave casual and just go back to ignoring her. To top it off if she REALLY wanted me to fvck her I have no objection to that. If she wants it then she can come and get it. I’m only a text or a phone call away. At the same time I don’t know if she was telling the truth about giving out *******s like that as I sense her to be very inexperienced. On one end I feel as if I was toyed with in one of the worse possible ways. On the other end I may have scared her off because I gave off the impression that I'm a sleaze bag (which I am) and only wants pvssy.


Now I’m trying to go back to MGTOW. This serves as a reminder as to why I hate dealing with women. I want to hear your opinions on this situation. I really don’t see how it can be handled any better. Has anyone else had this happen to them?

 

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When she said she enjoyed going down on a guy, why didn't you let her suck your salami?

There were people around. They weren't a part of our conversation or listening in on us but she just had to throw that out there. This also took me by surprise. I never expected her to come out and say that in a million years and it literally had me speechless. I did start fondling her a bit without making it too obvious and she asked me not to touch her and I respected her wishes. Her request sounded sincere. Later that same day she began partly ignoring me now that I remember correctly.

 

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Run of the mill AW

She wanted to get with me for a very long time now (as in boyfriend/girlfriend). I'm giving her some opportunity this time around and then she runs off and disappears.

But to answer Mauser96... I was thinking that the best time to make something happen would be right then and there the second she blurted out those words. Now that I really think about it there was NO WAY IN HELL something like that could of happened under our given circumstances and she knew it too.

 

[Die Hard]

Gotta stay playful with these situations... When she asked you not to touch her, you should've said in aplayful manner: "You're a real woman, you know that? You talk about giving guys *******s and them taking control of you but when a dude fondles you, you get all shy "

Don't say it in a serious manner, don't say it like you are blaming her. Say it in a playful manner! Imagine a 6 year old girl who says she wants to go to Disneyland tomorrow but also wants to stay home and watch a Disney movie on tv tomorrow. It would make you smile coz the kid doesn't realize she can't do both a the same time... You would actually find her stupidity cute and it would make her kinda adorable, right? Now imagine how you would explain that kid that she can't do both things tomorow... That's EXACTLY the way you should tell your girl that she's being contradictory.

I met up with a girl last week, went to her home and she kept making sexual remarks but at the same time showed HUGE resistance to my attempts to get physical. I just kept treating her like a little girl and most importantly, I DIDN'T CARE. Well, deep down I did, I wasn't leaving without having fvcked her, lol! But on the outside I didn't give a fvck and stayed calm. Just kept plowing on and treating her like a stupid kid. Eventually she dropped her defenses and gave me what I wanted.

I know, man... This behavior is frustrating as HELL, they make you feel rejected... The trick is not letting it get to you and showing her that you'll feel great whether she co-operates or net. You can show her that you WANT her, but you also show her that don't NEED her.

If it doesn't work out after all, remember: SPIN PLATES!!

I'll never forget how I had this one chick who was running my head in circles, pushing/pulling, setting up dates then flaking etc. We'd already had sex once but she was FRUSTRATING the sh!t out of me after that. So I just went NO CONTACT and thought "FVCK ALL WOMEN! Why do I even bother?! I'm done with women, a man shouldn't have to go through all this frustration..." But literally within a week after that, I met the girl who gave me the best time of my life out of all girls I've ever had.... I guess that was pure luck or coincidence, but the thing is: I forgot about the former girl INSTANTLY, she didn't mean fvck all to me from one day to the other. Coz I had found another girl who made me feel great!

Keep moving forward, man. Inch by inch, step by step... Build up contact with a lot of potential plates, flirt with each and every woman around you (even the ugly ones), get out there and be active in the field. You will experience a lot more frustrating sh!t, but as you pile up more and more potential plates, there will be succes. The more active you are, the quicker the successes will come. Women are EVERYWHERE, in the bus, at work, in the supermarket, on the street, every-fvcking-where! Just interact with all of them!
Tonight some flakey bytch ingores you on WhatsApp and you feel bad, but tomorrow you sit in the bus and make conversation with a cute girl and you notice how she blushes and looks away with this nervous smile when you look in her eyes. Even if she gets off at the next stop before you got a chance to get her number, the experience will send a rush of hormones through your system, making you feel good.

Just enjoy those moments of interaction with women, don't be focused on the steps you'd like to make after that (getting the number, texting, meeting up, kissing, sexing). Don't be outcome dependent! Just enjoy the flirting and the chemistry while interacting with all the women around you. Eventually, one thing will lead to another... And anytime a bytch gives you a hard time, you'll shake it off and just enjoy all the other women.
Like I said, just don't focus on the endgame with them! Just enjoy the interaction, the eye contact, the smiles, the way they reveal indicators of interest during conversation. Enjoy the indicator itself, enjoy the fact that a woman is showing interest in you, it's a compliment! Don't see the indicator as a step to the endgoal (fvcking her, having a relationship with her etc.). Forget about the endgoal, the endgoal is making you OUTCOME DEPENDENT. Focus on the journey, be in the moment and truly enjoy the journey, the flirty interactions with women. If you focus on that, you will reach the destination of the journey totally unexpected!

 

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Die Hard, I did exactly that when she asked me not to touch her. I replied back with something playful. By the same token I may have also shifted the blame her way but also in a playful manner. What leaves me confused is 1) why the hell would she go through all that only to have me make my interest known? and 2) begin acting all brand new as if I never existed? If she no longer has any intention of having a boyfriend and just wants sex I'd be more than happy to provide that. At the same time I'd be equally happy to forget about this girl because I don't need this frustration in my life.

 

[Die Hard]

I dunno, man. It's not like that one playful remark is gonna make her drop her panties by herself, lol. That playful remark is only one piece moviong on the chess board... I don't know what she said back to that remark, but you should've somehow tried to continue touching her. Either that, or rejected her hard and acted like she was worthless to you. You can't just make that remark and then keep walking beside her or sitting with her like some beta orbiter. You throw in some smart and witty remarks and in between try to keep touching her. If she rejects, make more remarks and try touching more. If she puts a stop to your attempts in an agressive manner, than reject her HARD. Ignore her, make up some bullsh!t about another girl who invited you to go see a movie and ask her advice about it or whatever, showing you are interested in another girl, not her. I dunno, just FVCK with her mind and take charge, be the prize and show her that she is not the prize.

Can't tell you exactly what to say and what to do. It's all about your attitude. Stop being needy, don't have this attitude of "I need to get her in bed somehow" while you're interacting with her. She feels that, they have an instinct for that. So let it go, don't care about the outcome, just care about creating an attitude and a mood where she is a 6 year old and you are her father. She got nothing over you, absolutely nothing. You are in charge, she can't touch you in any way. Even if she did suck your d!ck, it should not make a difference to your day and how you feel about yourself. She should feel from your attitude and your behavior that a bl0wjob from her is just a passtime for you, which you could do without and still feel great, coz she and her stupid bl0wjob are not all that important.

You gotta feel that, you gotta own that attitude, not try to fake it, it's gotta be you. Force yourself into it. As you think you shall become and all that, practise this sh!t with every woman you meet, until it becomes a genuine attitude.

And stop thinking about why she did this or that. Just focus on your own behavior and your own attitude. Be the man, be in charge, girls will fall in line. But when you keep figuring out why she did this or that, you're sabotaging this very attitude. Coz you're making her into the prize, putting too much focus on how to get that prize and analyzing how her behavior works and how you could adapt your own behavior to hers etc. Fvck that, just have the attitude of a prehistorical ape, be fvcking Tarzan, do whatever you want and if bytches don't fall in line, NEXT.

Like I said, some battles can't be won anyway. Some bytches will fvck aroudn with your mind and never let you touch her, no matter how good your game is. Big fvcking deal, throw her with the trash and focus on the other thoudands of women around you.

Watch this.

At 00.45 Kurgan says he's in disguise so no one will recognize him. Highlander tells Kurgan: "I do". Then watch Kurgan's response, that sigh he does and the face he makes with it? That's exactly how you should be around women and how you should feel about ANYTHING THEY SAY. Women talk bullsh!t all day long, they go from hot to cold, from left to right, they tell lies that they even believe themselves, they're fvcking idiots and if you take their words and their behavior seriously, they'll frie your brain and put you in a goddamn crazy asylum. So just have the same attitude Kurgan has at 00.58 to everything these bytches do or say. And make it a habit to SHOW them you have this attitude!

Man, fvck this bytch. She was just trying to get power over you with that remark about lovign to suck d!ck. Every sad beta chump would get all excited about her remark... "Wow, you'll never guess what happened to me today, some hot chick told me she likes to suck d!ck. Awesome, right?!" Women know guys are crazy for sex and manipulate them with that. You shoulda just told her "Well, that's interesting (and do that Kurgan thing with your eyebrows lol). Anyway, did you see last night's match, what did you think of the other team blah blah?"

She'll be dumbfounded. "This guy is not fazed at all by my sexual remarks? Doesn't he think I'm special? Or maybe he get *******s all the time?" *hamster starts spinning*

See? Just turn the tables on her, get HER mind spinning around instead of the other way around. You take charge, you own her, you control the frame!

Fvck her, fvck her bl0wjob and fvck her cheap attempt to make you crazy with some sexual remark. She's just a fvckin child, so you should see through her childish attempts to manipulate you and demonstrate to her that you've been around and are too experienced to fall for these tricks...

 

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You're absolutely right Die Hard. I felt a huge shift of power the moment I began to lose my composure and got "tunnel visioned"/hypnotized. From that moment on she began behaving out of control as if she was drunk on power and deliberately ignored me only giving me fractions of attention whenever she pleased. That was the first time I ever sensed losing my frame with my interactions with her. I never even tried to establish a dominant frame as it was always there naturally since the day we met. This past week I did become needy... I felt exactly the way I did when I was still in my teens, oblivious to how women operate, brutally confused and with a severe case of oneitits. I never thought I would revisit those hellish experiences again for as long as I lived and there they were again. Every bit as alive as they were over a decade ago. On the flip side these stupid feelings seem to fade much faster. It feels like an overnight process compared to before. I'm still beating myself up for analyzing her behavior because logically speaking it doesn't even matter why she did or didn't do this, say that or whatever.

And you confirmed my suspicions about her trying to gain power over me by saying and doing the things she does. Right before she pulled that stunt she attempted to hug me and I completely shut off her attempt by walking the opposite way. I did this because I was angry she didn't keep a promise she said she would keep. She looked really shocked and mildly angry that I would even do that. Minutes later she was trying to manipulate me into doing certain favors for her. For some reason she was convinced that I would do it without any question and I challenged her with calm and the body language of a battle hardened warrior. She looked desperate and I wouldn't budge. This angered her even more. From that moment forward I ignored her and treated her like she was nothing because I truly did forget about her. When she found me again she lured me into a little bit of a conversation and started getting touchy all over again and this is when everything I described in the opening post (regarding the wild things she said) took place.

Fvck everything about her. Unfortunately she had me all fvcked up and I couldn't tell whether this was a sexual invitation, a manipulation tactic or nothing at all. Whatever it was it sure as hell worked.

Thanks so much for the input man. It helps me to see things in hindsight and allows me to pick up on my life where I left off. I sincerely appreciate every bit of help you gave me and I can now move on to truly important things that will benefit my life and those around me.

 

[Warrior74]

You're window of opportunity passed. There comes a time with every woman where there is a chance to touch her. A chance to kiss her. A chance to **** her. If you don't move on those changes you'll get the cold shoulder.

 

[parkthebus]

You won't like this comment but its my opinion. MGTOW is for men who can't control the negative emotions women can bring on and so the refuse to play the game altogether and youre story is an example of this. Rather than quitting the game, play it without emotional investment and eject whenever you're bored. Women aren't there to make you feel happy and loved and desired. That's what men make women feel. Women are there to keep you entertained and perhaps have a child with if you feel she can keep you entertained and be a good mother to your child.

 

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I can't even read what I wrote several weeks back. It's embarrassing, vomit inducing and very shameful. I sound like a little whiny b!tch. I think I'll shift gears on the whole MGTOW thing and do what any normal guy is supposed to which is to try and bed women instead of cutting out interactions altogether. I'm not left with any other choice because whenever I do ignore all of them and feel as if I truly DON'T need them they find a way to creep their way back in my life. At that point all they have to do is hint the possibility of getting some pvssy and then it's back to the plantation.