What the hell is wrong with you guys?

[Scaramouche]

Dear Knight's Cross,
Really seems as if you are crying stinking fish in your own back yard......Lets look at what I get when I enter your name in Search....And so, examining your posts sequentially....No1 You met a 37 year old who you took to a Gun Range....No2 You dated a BPD bird......No3 an academic exercise on women and accountability.....No4 you dated a floozy who got a little Pvissed went home with her and you let her put a movie on?then she talked in the movie so you tossed a temper tantrum...No5 you tried Internet dating.....No6 Back to your Macho games....No7 you lodged a legal protection order...No8 Your Ex is annoying you.....No9 A nostalgic excercise on the past,reminiscent of my Mothers remembrances during our hungry days (And God Bless America) When she would sigh longingly for "The Streaky Bacon" we got before the War .....Well there we are....read these articles and seriously tell me that they are on average in any way Intellectually Superior to last months posts....What happens on these posts is a genuine reflection on the dating lives of three generations of young Men World wide,that it includes your own attitudes is good,but you have to be tolerant....In the next century assuming our Civilisation survives these threads may well be sifted through with great enthusiasm by sociologists,you and I and our sordid deeds could well be immortalised..... I can empathise with your attitude to those guys who romance with texts that float through the ether,however,my daughters (19 &22)when I asked,saw nothing untoward in this.....As to your attitude on Older Women,well it just illustrates your lack of experience....Don Juan De Tenorio whose mores we would emulate,had no such prejudices,he shagged anything that moved and if it didn't he gave it a shove.....Oh and by the way he wouldn't have let a half pvissed woman much past the doorway of her home without having her blouse off.

 

[Jeffst1980]

Who really cares if STR8UP wants to bang an older woman? That's his business--no reason to come down on him for it. Don't view the posters here as role models with some kind of perceived reputation to uphold--just take or leave their advice.

Who really cares if some AFC wants to pursue an unrealistic LDR or myspace relationship or whatever? Honestly, the only way an AFC will learn is to experience the consequences of his behavior. Then--and only then--he can look back and understand the validity of the advice he ignored. The whole point of this site is to give advice and inspire others to change; that implies that there must be folks here in need of a change for this site to be anything other than an outlet keyboard masturbation. We need AFCs to find this site and post here---otherwise, what's the point?

And, last but not least...

Who really cares about the "forum wars" that have started? This is an INTERNET FORUM. It's not real life. I don't know anyone at either forum personally, and I don't feel a need to judge anyone on anything other than the advice they present. And, crazy enough, ALL OF US agree on 90% of the stuff that matters. Why not build on the things we have in common, rather than focusing on what divides us?

There is no reason for anyone to believe that they must "take a side" with either this forum or NLG. You're an internet dork studying pickup either way!! (kidding)

I am no doubt going to continue disagreeing with a few of the posters here on details that are more relevant to gender theories than "game", but that doesn't mean I discount ALL or even MOST of what they write. Most of the advice given by the senior posters here is very good advice indeed.


The bottom line is: No matter what forum you frequent, the time you spend there would be better used actively sarging.

 

[Colossus]

I believe Scaramouche just pulled your undies out of your pants and hung you on the fence, KC.

:kick:

 

[azanon]

Let me digress: What I'm seeing is a general trend towards guys putting up with total BS from women. Text messaging.....bad idea. Other than,"Hey I'm in a meeting and I'll call you later". It's a buffer that ALOT of women will use to control their options. LDR's: Come on....what guy with options goes there as far as a new relationship? Optionless = Necessitious.
Older women? I'd swing up about a year or 2 but really...STR8UP I'll call a spade a spade. You have been like a mentor to alot of new members, and I usually enjoy reading your posts. I'm not being a hater, but I can't imagine why given options that you would go up to the age that you have been posting about. Even for a FWB set, I just don't get it? Never mind the fact that this sets a precedent for all the new members.
Look gentlemen, this site has truly enrichened my understanding of the game. I'm not trying to be the bully or hard nose. I'm challenging all of us to get off our collective butts and work some game. That includes myself. While it may be a numbers game, I'll throw away #'s that are not suitable. I ask that you do the same.
When I read about guys putting up with nookie napalm, or other mind scrambling devices thrown by the enemy that they fall prey too, I'm dissapointed that the graduate staff doesn't mentor them back on the trail. THAT's what my original post was about. Not being a," Ohh everyone knows you shouldn't do that" But as some posters above have mentioned, we refer the new guys back to the bible, back to the original words of Pook, and VU and the like.

KC

OP,

You get lost? This is the mature men's section, not the tips section. In other words, if you're a mature guy with mature man issues, and you don't know it all and want some help here, this is the perfect place to admit directly or indirectly all of your many flaws so that we can chime in to help them.

Also, if you can tell the difference between novices and "graduate staff" advice, then you yourself must be armed with "graduate staff" wisdom. Point being, why haven't you been helping steer the misguided ones down the right path? Consider being proactive instead of complaining.

 

[KarmaSutra]

To Karma all I can say is I've made it clear in the topic thats now been deleted that my posts do not apply to people I am cool with from both sites. Its a small number on NLG that I'm cool with. The rest are people that were banned here and sycophantic trolls that fingz keeps around to worship him and to them and fingz my posts do most definitely apply.

I know the guy is one of your heroes Karma but he shamelessly took part in the bullying and banning of reset from his site and he's bullied a ton more people on this site with alternate accounts.

I worship noone. I don't follow anyone and I damned sure don't want anyone to follow me. Find your way and do that thing on your own.

Now, I had no idea about any of the stuff that happened with Reset over at NLG until Reset himself sent me a SS pm yesterday about it. He mistook my tone as one against you guys. It was not.

I won't judge anyone and I will not be judged by anyone. I post only for the benefit of my growth and the growth of my brethren not for petty ego gratification.

Brother KontrollerX and Reset are guys I've seen grow since they became members of SS and NLG. I'll continue to monitor your successes with earnst.

This garbage with NLG vs SS is just that; garbage.

These are for my SS brothers :flowers:

 

[STR8UP]

Karma, my brother, where you been? We partied it up at Martinifest and you were missed.

Lets do another CFL DJ meet-up soon....

 

[KarmaSutra]

My Dad's health has been in poor shape.
My leg was all fvckered up and major infected.
I drove to Connecticut two weeks ago to see my family for the holidays.

Now, I'm back baby and ready to party!

I missed Rollo on the Monsters and his invite to Martinifest (which I hear you guys had a slammin' good time!).

Another SS CFL jamboree sounds pretty fvcking good to me.

 

[Knight's Cross]

Scaramouche,
Wow it only took 2 pages of posts before someone had to reach back to my learning days and flame me for actions I've had in my upbringing from AFC. Good on you!
As for asking your 18 and 22 YO daughters for what's right with texting....let me get this straight, you asked a 18 and 22 YO girl what a man should be doing?

Alright gents as stated I'm pointing out a trend. How else would you point out a trend other than to cite specific examples? Which I have. Not in a moralistic high horse way. Hell I think I had friends tell me there was a distinct loud popping sound when I pulled my head out of my a$$ and was reborn from the clutches of AFC. I guess as some posters have replied, it may be near impossible to save the ones who come here for advice only to ignore it. One of the 48 laws is to avoid the sick and infected. They will pull you down. Its almost as if the Graduates have left. I read that above as well. To me appears as if the last song was played and the party's over. I agree you can offer the newbies advice but damn, they are so stuck in the clutches it's a losing battle in most cases.


Peace out,

KC

 

[Desdinova]

LDR's, Sleeping with WAY Older chicks, texting as primary communication? Aren't all of these buffers? Is this what's come of things? Where's VU and Rollo when you need them? I mean really men?

Sorry, I've been busy seating myself in a new job. Starting tomorrow, I should have more time to post as I'll be working less and making more

Getting my life in shape is more important than making inspirational posts on Sosuave.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Who really cares if some AFC wants to pursue an unrealistic LDR or myspace relationship or whatever? Honestly, the only way an AFC will learn is to experience the consequences of his behavior. Then--and only then--he can look back and understand the validity of the advice he ignored.

What would you tell this AFC?
http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/news/ny-spbarr245940151nov24,0,4366638.story
I know from personal friends the kid killed himself over a GF.

Want to know what my problem is?

My problem is living in a world teeming with grown boys who've become so conditioned to believing that anything remotely masculine is to be ridiculed, villified and subdued until they have no concept of what it truly entails much less pass off even the possibility that it could be something positive and attractive.

My problem is when a personal, AFC friend swallows a bullet because he literally "can't live without" the girlfriend who left him.

My problem is when a 65 y.o. AFC cries in my lap about how he's been consistently blackmailed with his wife's intimacy for the past 20 years of their marriage and wont man-up for fear of losing her.

My problem is talking a close friend out of killing the wife he married at 19 and the man she's cheatied on him with in the parking lot of the motel he's spent all night tracking her down to find with their 3 children crying in the backseat of their minivan at 4am.

My problem is civily sitting down to Thanksgiving dinner with a sister-in-law and the new millionaire husband she married just 8 months after her former AFC husband of 20 years hung himself from a tree when she decided "he wasn't the ONE" for her. My problem is staring at the brand new t_its she bought herself with the money he busted his ass for just 3 months after he was in the ground. My problem is emphatically teaching my 22 y.o. nephew how not to be the AFC his father was, while pointing out the behaviors of his vulgarly opportunistic mother.

My problem is watching my father, though decaying from alzheimers, still playing out the Savior Methodology in an effort to get laid that he's thought should work for his entire life at 70 y.o. My problem is watching him feebley default to a behavior that obsessively motivated him to succeed until he was forced into early retirement at 53 and his 2nd wife left him promptly after that.

My problem is consoling a good friend who's fathered 3 daughters with 2 wives and is being emotionally manipulated by his 3rd (yet another single mommy), who's become so despondent that he dreads going home from work to deal with his personal situation and wait's with anticipation for the weekend to be over.

My problem is counseling a guy who thought the best way to make himself unique from "other guys" was to be 'chivalrous' and date a single mother with 3 children from 2 different fathers, only to knock her up for a fourth kid and marry her because "it was the right thing to do."

My problem is dealing with a 17 y.o. girl who'd just witnessed her new boyfriend being stabbed 30+ times by her old boyfriend because "she was his soulmate" and "would rather live in jail without her than see her with that guy."

My problem is trying to explain to 'Modern Women' that - after almost 13 years of marriage, my wife could still model swimwear and confidently respects my judgement and decisions as a Man - I didn't achieve this by being a domineering, 1950's caveman-chauvinist who's crushed her spirit, but that it is a strict understanding and adhereance to living a positively masculine role.

And my biggest problem is seeing a world of 14 y.o. AFC Symps, all ready to sacrifice themselves wholesale to this pitiful, mass-media fueled, pop-culture endorsed, idealized and feminized notion of romantic/soulmate mythology, all because some other AFCs trapped in the same quicksand they're in, are affirming and co-enabling each other to further their own sinking and spread this disease to another AFC generation. It's infectious; and complacency, like misery, loves company. My problem is that I'm only one Man, and I can't possibly be enough to kick these guys in the ass like their AFC fathers were unable or unwilling to do.

That's why I post here.

 

[reset]

Good post Rollo, that is scary stuff. I used to have my own version of that story, I see it all around me now. We live and breathe in it. Even knowing the difference is a big deal.

What's important is that you spoke of how what you do works in your own marriage.

One thing I think that is dangerous and a slippery slope is the recovering AFC reaction to even the idea of a happy, committed relationship, thinking that in itself is AFC. That the existence of that is a myth.

Women aren't the enemy. Men just don't fulfill their role and wonder in dismay why nature is being so cruel to them.

 

[reset]

They are held responsible, by men, to be feminine. If the man doesn't hold the stronger frame she will not be feminine. The only "feminine" you will see is the patronizing sweetness of being friend-zoned. Real, authentic femininity can only exist if the man is authentically masculine. If not, even the sweetest of girls will go about ripping you apart, even if she doesn't intend to. If she senses weakness, it's like vultures on a dead carcass, they'll pick at you till you're gone. They can't help but cause problems for beta males. It's in their genes. They are SUPPOSED to take the betas "out". This is my opinion. It's like when the animal herds kill the weak or old. It's all nature.

Obviously if she doesn't do what you want, treats you poorly, you walk. This of course makes her desire you more and she returns to her natural femininity, buried under years of low expectations towards beta men.

This is all of course my own opinion and observations, but my overall point is, women are feminine when held accountable. Just how it seems to work.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear KC,
As it says in the Bible,"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God".

 

[jophil28]

Women aren't the enemy. Men just don't fulfill their role and wonder in dismay why nature is being so cruel to them.

Perhaps not so much "the enemy" as "the problem" .. i am talking about the gullible simpletons who have bought into the "women power" propaganda.
"You can have it all " has transformed itself into, " I am 'entitled' to it all just because I am a woman."

And even worse is the way that most "men" have molded and shaped their behavior to accomodate these idiots.
Yes, men have abandoned their traditional role and adopted a more passive and compliant way of relating to increasingly assertive/aggresive women. The problem only gets worse because women execute "power" very badly.

'Equality' has manifested as an angry contempt for men ....which is exactly what the first wave of manhating feminazis wanted.

The ultimate question for women should be asked , " Are you any happier ?"

I suspect not ..just angrier.

 

[jophil28]

Obviously if she doesn't do what you want, treats you poorly, you walk. This of course makes her desire you more and she returns to her natural femininity, buried under years of low expectations towards beta men.

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That is the message which needs to be hammered into guys under thirtyyears of age who have been poisoned by the teachings of a leftwing public education system .
Gawd help that generation of 'sensitive' young males.

 

[reset]

Well I'm close enough to that age I suppose. I was most definitely a "sensitive young male". Somehow I managed to pull myself out and give myself a lobotomy.

 

[Knight's Cross]

Scaramouche,
Peace be with you.
RT,
So there are lots of AFC's. Is it the 1 in 100 that you feel that you can help? I read the list that you gave, and it's a sorry tale of where we are as a culture. Oprafication is what I refer it to. As you stated, men berated for being men! WTF?

KC