What The F*ck @ PUA Hate?

[Maximus Rex]

I was just on this site, and wow! What a bunch of sad b*tch made muthaf*ckas. I can understand a legitimate gripe pertaining to the products and the boot camps being overpriced and are a poor dollar value, but hey at the end of the day Mystery'em are only charging what the marketplace will bear. I'll even cut you a break if you devoted six months to a year of your life with the goal of gaining proficiency only not to anymore proficient than you were when you originally began.

What I take issue with is how are you as a man, going to devote all of this time and energy to keeping tabs on the next man's life. For example, four pages of thread about Neil Strauss' girlfriend, http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=8973, http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=105409 RSD Scene Bisexual, http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=104625 Look at this Faggotry From Mystery, http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=58773 So Jeffy Has His OK Cupid Profile Up Again.

At the first of the year, I joined Roosh's site and among one of my first posts was "Rex's Kinda Sorta Menage a Trois," http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=177649. Some d*ckhead claimed that ya boy was trolling, to which I responded, "I was sharing a story that didn't necessarily show me in the best light. I was under the impression that purpose of this website was to help dudes get better with females, and my intention wasn't to "troll," the site, but share my story so that others will learn from my mistake." After that I was inexplicably banned from Roosh's site. I even went as as far to write Roosh personally to reconsider the ban to which he didn't respond.

Personally, I think Roosh (or his moderators,) are a b*tch made muthaf*ckas for banning me from his site for a b.s. reason, however, unlike these PUA Hate fags, I'm not going to make a threads about it. If one day I find myself in the higher echelons of the PUA community and should Roosh want to me f*ck with him in some capacity, I'll explain my issues with him. However, I'm not going to b*tch about on a website. Also, (and ironically,) considering that the name of the site is PUA Hate, these "men," seem to know A LOT about PUA gurus personal lives. As if they have their pages book marked and they check them daily. If I "hated," someone or something the last thing I would want do is keep tabs on it. Those dudes are displaying a lot of feminine traits over there.

 

[namismybabe]

Haven't visited that site in a while, but then PUA to me is bollocks on stilts.

 

[zekko]

Also, (and ironically,) considering that the name of the site is PUA Hate, these "men," seem to know A LOT about PUA gurus personal lives. As if they have their pages book marked and they check them daily.

I've read a few threads over there. Some of the posters are pretty well versed in PUA Theory. I think many of them got involved with certain gurus and then later felt ripped off, that they had been scammed. Hence the "hate".

 

[GS750]

Never visited PUA hate. But Roosh is a fag and his forum sucks too, so no loss there.

 

[skinnyguy]

I got banned from that site. Best thing that's ever happened to me - bunch of queers on that site.

SOS is much, much better.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Why El Stud Feels So Suave is Bad for Your Health and Why He Left

While looking for something else I found this:

http://www.puahate.com/showthread.php?t=5120

Hey guys a couple of people here know me from my Sosuave days ,( Aries, murdocisgod etc..). I was pretty infamous and i was on Sosuave from March 2007 all the way thru December 29, 2009 and was hated because i sucked so much with social skills and women. Im suprised i wasnt banned. The reason i left Sosuave was because its a false illusion of progress and friendship.

my last post at Sosuave:

Must've been a year or so since I last posted but yeah. Guess what? I still haven't got laid, but as time goes on and I start getting older, I'm starting to realize that it isn't that big of a deal. When I get laid, I get laid you know? Isn't going to be extraordinary isn't gonna change my life, but when it happens it happens.

I'm just glad that right now I can go up to girls with near ZERO approach anxiety and start a convo with a girl just by being ME. Not using lines, not having an outcome dependancy, not caring about rejection, but simply going up there and being me. Basically, when I converse with women, it feels natural for both me and the girl.

I've also got over my fear of approaching black girls and have realized that all that "All black girls are loud and ghetto" BS, is simply that, media BS. At the end of the day, I can game them just like white girls.

And overall, I'm just starting to have a lot more confidence in myself as a person. If a girl rejects me, I'm starting to frame it as "Okay, well it's your loss" and I get up and approach the next girl. I don't even CARE if I get the number anymore, the important thing to me is that I WENT for it.

Also note, that I'm not the freshest dude out there anyway. Heh, far from it. I go out with my hair uncombed, probably haven't showered in days and am probably not the best looking guy around. But when I approach girls, I can have a genuine conversation with them. Why's this? I have confidence in my game and unlike most dudes I aint insecure.

But yeah, I still haven't gotten laid, but I've more of less stopped caring. Right now, I have a mindset of, when I get laid I get laid.

I'm 19 going on 20 and as far as I'm concerned there's no rush to get laid.

The funny thing is after I left Sosuave ,(December 16, 2009) i lost my v-card near New years day, and the funny part was that it wasnt a big deal. Now i have a girl actually chasing me and i actually f*cked a girl at Valentines day.

This is my reason why Sosuave is bad for your health:

Virgins are heavily rampant

I think around 95% of the guys on Sosuave are virgins. Sosauve is the entry level place for guys who type in "how to get girls" on google, and if you spend two hours on the General section you will see the 9/10 threads are desperate cries for help. I think 99% of the guys there do not know about Theplace or have downloaded an illegal torrent on pickup or seduction, or heard of most pua sites or even a Lair, since they are the beginners who found the sosuave tru Google.

The don juan tips section is unverified

Anybody can create an account and post tips, even if they are counterworthy or dumb. You can even do that right now.


From what Solomon said, this is bullsh*t because during this time frame So Suave was still in it's "Golden Age," when posters had to prove their advice was backed by in field experience.

Not allowed to think independent

If you dont follow the group think of Sosuave, you will get flamed and they will call bullsh*t. also since most people at sosuave exxagerate their stories, if you question them, most members will call you a troll.


Again, more nonsense. A lot of cats have differing views on what works with chicks and the only people that I've ever seen get trolled on her were KBJ's dudes who refused to read the material and that cat Jaylen.

most of guys with high Reputation have followers

At Sosuave if you question the master posters, people automatically think your dumb or challenge you with "you dont have success like him" . Also a higher post count a person has, the more reputation he has recieved OVER TIME, and the more people trust him just because people gave him a high rep. Also most of the higher poster guys have group of guys who follow everything they say.. no questions asked.


Using myself as example, I have a high rep, but I only have 712 posts. Pook, who is regarded as the "Plato," of this site has a grand total of....571 posts.

most guys are addicted to sosuave and need validation

I remember how fast most people will post if you dont agree with them.

Dude seems to be uber sensitive and butt hurt mainly because he such a hard time getting some.

most of the "good" posters are in their late 20s/ early 30s
Enough said.

Enough said.

Rex has no idea what this is suppose to mean. Aren't most dudes that are single and are trying to holla at chicks in this age group. This makes about as much sense as saying, "Most of the players in professional sports are in their 20's and 30's." I'm like this, if there's a 18, 19, 20, or 21 year old cat that's mastered this PUA sh*t and he has the credentials to back him up in addition to peer approval, then Rex is f*cking with him.

 

[Mike32ct]

I've read a few threads over there. Some of the posters are pretty well versed in PUA Theory. I think many of them got involved with certain gurus and then later felt ripped off, that they had been scammed. Hence the "hate".

^This. These are guys that got burned for hundreds or even thousands of dollars on PUA stuff under the lie that "Looks don't matter; it's all game."

 

[Maximus Rex]

Rex Questions This

^This. These are guys that got burned for hundreds or even thousands of dollars on PUA stuff under the lie that "Looks don't matter; it's all game."

I have no idea what a "handsome man," is. However, I will say that most women will say that Mystery, Style, Jeffy, Tyler Durden, and Julien aren't on the same level of attractiveness that they would put Ryan Gossling, Channing Tatum, Adam Levine, Ryan Reynolds or The Rock on.

 

[zekko]

I have no idea what a "handsome man," is. However, I will say that most women will say that Mystery, Style, Jeffy, Tyler Durden, and Julien aren't on the same level of attractiveness that they would put Ryan Gossling, Channing Tatum, Adam Levine, Ryan Reynolds or The Rock on.

From a biological standpoint, I really don't think that it makes any sense that a man's looks are as important as a woman's. They obviously matter to some extent since looks are an indicater of good health and good genes.

But Mystery was very tall (a feature women find attractive) and a performer, and Style had an interesting career. Tyler went into a club early on and immediately realized he had a knack for attracting women, and decided it was something he could be good at. All of these guys had some built in advantages going for them.

Most of us have some built in advantages, I'm sure. But I don't think everybody has it in them to become great pickup artists. Just as not everyone has it in them to be a professional athlete, a great singer, or a grandmaster chess player, no matter how hard they work at it.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Their "Advantages," Didn't Get Them Laid

But Mystery was very tall (a feature women find attractive) and a performer,

Then why did he spend ten years developing the Mystery Method? If being a tall magician was enough, then he would have been satisfied with the amount of p*ssy he was getting off the strength of those two attributes.

and Style had an interesting career.

In The Game he admits to his career not leading into any lays for him. Dude said that he hung out with Motley Crue and Jenna Jameson respectively for year while doing research on their books, but he didn't get so much as a kiss while he was hanging out with them.

Tyler went into a club early on and immediately realized he had a knack for attracting women, and decided it was something he could be good at. All of these guys had some built in advantages going for them.

Again, if these advantages were so great them why they feel the need to (as in Mystery's case develop the game,) or as with Style and Tyler go to boot camps. Obviously they felt they had a problem that needed to be addressed and remedied.

 

[zekko]

Then why did he spend ten years developing the Mystery Method? If being a tall magician was enough, then he would have been satisfied with the amount of p*ssy he was getting off the strength of those two attributes.

I'm not sure any of us are ever fully satisfied when it comes to women. It seems to be the nature of our biological drives to always desire more.

I don't know why he developed his Method, but my suspicion is that there was more to it than simply wanting to get laid more. Maybe he wanted to be a big shot among the the early would be pickup artists that were then communicating and collaborating on the internet. Or maybe he knew there was money to be made.

In The Game he admits to his career not leading into any lays for him. Dude said that he hung out with Motley Crue and Jenna Jameson respectively for year while doing research on their books, but he didn't get so much as a kiss while he was hanging out with them.

If you hang out with Motely Crue, chances are you are going to be overshadowed by Motley Crue. But when you go talk to more normal people, they might be impressed by your stories about Motley Crue, and Jenna Jameson.

Again, if these advantages were so great them why they feel the need to (as in Mystery's case develop the game,) or as with Style and Tyler go to boot camps. Obviously they felt they had a problem that needed to be addressed and remedied.

I don't think that Tyler had a problem so much as that he was a perfectionist. He was trying to achieve success on a very high level. Even today, years later, he is still trying to perfect his techniques with women.

Anyway, my point is not that game is worthless, it's just that some guys are probably not cut out to be exceptional pickup artists.

 

[backbreaker]

I"ll say this


If i were a newbie AFC type guy right now and I came here today looking for advice, I'd leave. This place isn't what it was 12 years ago when I got here. not the same level of help, not hte same level of advice, just not the same.

Guys back then came here to actually, get laid. Guys come here now pretty much to validate why it's okay to not being laid. I mean back then, we all understood that women could be cruel, heartless, but at the end of the day, we still wanted to **** them so what can you do lol? We had to figure something and we did.


The guys at puahate make some very valid points. i would not be surprised if 8 out of 10 guys on this forum are virgins or at best, have had sex no more than 1-2 times. most of the guys here have issues.


But the main thing that irks me about this place in general is that, it stopped being okay to be a newbie sometime ago. Guys come here now and feel they have to make a splash on the scene and start bad mouthing others and start giving ****ty advice and it becomes a **** measuring contest instead of a way to learn how to get laid.

Anyway, my point is not that game is worthless, it's just that some guys are probably not cut out to be exceptional pickup artists.

You know what this is lik? This is like you being without a car and then saying it's pointless to buy a car if i can't buy a BMW 7 series lol.

I don't think the end game is for everyone to be expert PUAs. I neve wanted to be an expert PUA. I simply wanted to be able to have sex with hot women and not have them burn me lol.


My point being, guys who want to be "expert super duper puas" are guys who i would bet my bank account aren't getting laid at all. I don't know any real people that are having casual sex 3-4 times a year with decent looking women or are having girlfriends now and then and say you know what, this isn't good enough I want to start slaying 10 girls a month. that's some **** a dreamer who isn't getting laid says.

 

[backbreaker]

Nonsense. At least half of the people here came because of oneitis, sh!t tests, BPD, inner game or inability to maintain a relationship, not some PUA drivel. Classic empty contrarianism.

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what he **** are you talking about? Seriously, what he **** are you talking about?

How is "wanting to get laid" = PUA drivel.

Even the **** you stated, all is "getting laid". I didn't come here to be a PUA I came here because I wanted to GET LAID by my oneitis.

 

[Vice]

A lot of this comes down to how badly you want it, and the work you're willing to put in to get what you want.

When I finally decided to take action and set up quantifiable goals for myself, the results started to come in. I learned from mistakes and successes, and kept moving.

Success in this area of life is like success in business; there are some who simply don't have the heart to follow all the way through.

 

[SamTheHobit]

You have to be pretty dumb to spend any kind of money on pua or seduction etc

 

[Maximus Rex]

Even Though They Hate To Admit It....

These PUAHate cats are doing too much. :crackup: They "hate," pick up artist and the lifestyle is an anathema to them, but as stated earlier, they're on top PUAs like the Feds are when they're trying to gather evidence against a organized crime figures when the U. S. Attorney is trying to put together a RICO case.

On this particular thread, http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=119335, it's painfully obvious that RSD dudes are living the life and getting to know carnally, the women that these PUA Hate cats wished they had.

Then Post 13 is the greatest where this (obivously hatin a$$ beta fag, (I'm sorry, but that's what dude is breaks down Julien looks. What heterosexual male does this? The sad, yet ironically hilarious part about this is that these dudes thinks it's perfectly normally to talk about other men like this. This obviously the result of end result of a fatherless America. Even the Lord condemns this hatin a$$ behavior in the 10th Commandment,

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

 

[VikingKing]

A bunch of pandering beta faggots

 

[Turuwal]

That site has some of the most retarded crap I have ever seen. Any guy who goes on whinging and whining about other guys rather than improving himself gets exactly what he deserves.

 

[VikingKing]

That site has some of the most retarded crap I have ever seen. Any guy who goes on whinging and whining about other guys rather than improving himself gets exactly what he deserves.

Are biggest competition is not the pua's, or the alphas. Its the beta's who enable these women to have male harems.

 

[3agle 3yes]

Are biggest competition is not the pua's, or the alphas. Its the beta's who enable these women to have male harems.

Why is this a problem to you? If some women want to have male harems, let them have their harems...

I'm not in "competition" with anybody, nor is there some kind of "war" with "betas" and "alphas"...

As for PUA hate and the quality of this forum...I think it boils down to one thing....

...And I don't know what starts this...is it too much porn? Is it peer pressure?

But FAR too many men place too much value on getting laid at ALL COSTS.

Tell me, what does getting laid achieve? Do they think it will make them become men?

Don't get me wrong I LOVE women and I LOVE sex...but I can go days and weeks without it. I can meet an attractive women, get her number and NOT bang her the same day....

I rely on NO ONE. I need NO ONE. There are women whom I am friends with that could be considered 9s or 10s that I have not considered banging....I have even turned many girls down.

When I was younger I had oneitis, I even behaved "beta" and I definitely wanted to bang lots of attractive women...but my goal quickly changed from learning how to bang attractive women to learning that I do not NEED them.

I LOVE women but they're not an essential part of my life...because...and I'm sorry to say it...I just don't take them THAT seriously...