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I met her first week in university. We were both early to a class, first thing I did was ask her number. Turned out she had a boyfriend already. We studied together for every assignment and exam. Near the end of the year she broke up with her boyfriend and was in tears in every class and leaning on my shoulder all the time. Anyways, I didn't want to be her rebound guy so I never really responded to her advances (besides polite acknowledgement).

The first week into a new university year she told me she was going away to study university overseas for the next 4 years. I was really disappointed in losing a friend I've spent so much time with and she seemed to really miss me so we had a really long hug.

Half a year later, she returned to visit for a week or two. She invited me to her birthday party at a club. I don't know whether by design or accident, only her, her friend, me, my friend showed up. We danced and drank a lot and I ended up making out with her. (My first kiss!) When we were going home she asked me and my friend to share a cab with her and her friend (she booked a hotel room nearby). Half way through my friend pointed at a night bus that would take us home (which comes every one or two hours), and (I think I was drunk at the time) I followed my friend out of the cab to take the bus home.

The next day I had a really AFC moment and I texted her saying I really enjoyed the kiss and asked if she will be my girlfriend. She said she didn't mind. However, I changed my mind because I realised a long distance relationship wasn't going to work out and she agreed.

She came back every few months, but we just hung out (no physical contact except hugs). I started and ended a 2 year relationship until a year ago during this period.

The last time she came back, we hung out once. I asked to meet her again before she left, but she didn't reply for a whole week. I called her on it, and she told me she was busy and told me to go see someone I'm interested in. A week or two later, I had another really AFC moment and I told her I was sorry if I looked like I wanted to go out with her other than as a friend, since she was still studying she wouldn't have time for a relationship. She replied asking what happened and what turned sour between us; I replied everything is okay, she seemed relieved and told me she'd talk to me soon. (btw I did exactly what she said and saw other people I thought I would be interested in)

She didn't contact me for another 4 months (I didn't contact her either), and when she did she blamed the internet wasn't working. (She had a mobile phone! Could've text me if she really wanted to.) She said she was doing her exams and when she finished she'd be back for good. I was kind of pissed with her not contacting me for months, and I hadn't really forgiven her for last time when she didn't reply to me for a week, so I just wished her good luck with her exams. A few days later she sent me another text saying she gets back we can see each other more than twice every few months… I had yet another AFC moment and told her we definitely can.

So she's returned, and posted heaps of her photos going out. After two weeks she still hasn't texted/called me. I sent her a text asking how she was, and she said she was good and bla bla bla, but never a mention of giving me her new number or asking me to meet up. I looked at her FB and one of her photos was a picture of two tickets, and tagged a guy along with it. So I told her I facebook-stalked the guy a bit thinks he is like good match for her (and listed a bunch of reasons) and asked her when they were going to set a second date. She stopped replying to me.

After a day or two, I sent her a message asking why she bothered telling me me she wanted to meet with me after 4 months of not contacting me and then continue not contacting me when she got back.

The next day...

While I'm typing this, in fact, she sent me a text with her new number, and on FB sent me a message explaining he was just a friend and it wasn't a date and saying she did want to meet with me.

I had just written her off and thought I should post on this forum my love life and ask how I can change my ways, but I've just changed this post to ask what I should be doing next.

If I could, I would keep her. It's rare enough I've known a girl for so long without getting rid of her (never, in fact). Her actions in previous months are symptomatic of someone disinterested, however.

What should I be doing?
 
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I want to reply to her this:

"lol this is funny. in two weeks since you've come back the one friend you saw is "just some friend", while people you want to meet up with you haven't even called. don't tell me you just got your new mobile number this morning lol."

(She explained she didn't contact anyone because her internet was down for 4 months in the previous message, also said since she's returned she only saw one friend).

But I feel it makes me look like I'm pissed off (and I am), but I don't think that's a good thing?
 

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You were the backup guy and now its your turn.

Sh1t or get off the pot bro.
If you call her out, she will throw up the b1tch shields and you wont nail her.

If you'd rather call her out and walk away looking butthurt though, do that.:D
 

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she isnt interested bro
 

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Purefilth said:
You were the backup guy and now its your turn.

Sh1t or get off the pot bro.
If you call her out, she will throw up the b1tch shields and you wont nail her.

If you'd rather call her out and walk away looking butthurt though, do that.:D
If I choose to call her out and turn her down, what do think of the following:

…and the one friend you saw since you've gotten back is "just some friend". don't tell me you just got your mobile number this morning lol. :) I don't know what else I'm supposed to say...
If I choose not to call her out, what can I do?

Wait a few days and call her number? Change the topic? She's given me her number and said she wants to see me but didn't propose a date/time.

I haven't decided what I'll do yet. I'm about to go for a friday night outing with friends, maybe when I get back home I'll know. I like her but I'm still pissed at her, and even if she was really interested in me she'd have to do a lot to make up for everything.

she isnt interested bro
Why did she initiate contact at all, after so many months? And why did she give me her new number today, why say she wants to see me?
 

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whatwg said:
If I choose to call her out and turn her down, what do think of the following:I think its better to just turn her down and leave her wondering why.:D



If I choose not to call her out, what can I do?

Wait a few days and call her number? Change the topic? She's given me her number and said she wants to see me but didn't propose a date/time.Good enough. call her with purpose - brief call, ask her out on ABC toXYZ

I haven't decided what I'll do yet. I'm about to go for a friday night outing with friends, maybe when I get back home I'll know. I like her but I'm still pissed at her, and even if she was really interested in me she'd have to do a lot to make up for everything. If you want her - Be prepared to lose her



Why did she initiate contact at all, after so many months? And why did she give me her new number today, why say she wants to see me?She likes the attention - it makes her feel validated
If she doesnt take the date, and doesnt counteroffer? write her off.

If she does - you HAVE to make a move - keep the whole thing light, and fun - but after all this time you have to do something:cool:
 

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whatwg said:
Why did she initiate contact at all, after so many months? And why did she give me her new number today, why say she wants to see me?

a lot of females have no problem stringing a guy along for years while they go about their business, live their lives, get with other guys etc....she knows you want her and will be eager to see her whenever she feels like even if she blows you off

you will learn soon that just because a woman likes to know that you like her it does not mean she actually likes you

the bottom line is if she was really interested in you there wouldnt be all this nonsense and difficulty going on, she would see you and have sex with you and find time for you

im not an expert or a don juan or whatever, but its gotten much easier to spot disinterest since joining these forums
 

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Having not contacted her since I posted this thread, she sent another message asking why does my message sound like I was angry, just now. (Referring to the one where I asked her why she bothered to tell me she wanted to see me when she's back).
 

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Don't bother replying to that. If she's even a little bit interested she'll text back within a week apologising and you can take it from there.

Spin more plates, lots more puss@y in the sea.
 

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LMFAO said:
Don't bother replying to that. If she's even a little bit interested she'll text back within a week apologising and you can take it from there.

Spin more plates, lots more puss@y in the sea.
Half an hour ago she sent another one saying she didn't actually go out with the guy because he had a work meeting.

The way she said it i thought she was about to implode so I told her I wasn't angry at that and said I'd reply to her later because I was out. (Hadn't seen your reply yet). She replied with a "OK :)".

So it looks like she replied within the hour lol.

I was angry, at her saying stuff she didn't follow through with, not at her seeing someone else. I care the least bit about that. We aren't even in a relationship and if she picks someone else that's her choice.
 

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whatwg said:
Half an hour ago she sent another one saying she didn't actually go out with the guy because he had a work meeting.

The way she said it i thought she was about to implode so I told her I wasn't angry at that and said I'd reply to her later because I was out. (Hadn't seen your reply yet). She replied with a "OK :)".

So it looks like she replied within the hour lol.

I was angry, at her saying stuff she didn't follow through with, not at her seeing someone else. I care the least bit about that. We aren't even in a relationship and if she picks someone else that's her choice.
Sadly - being angry at girls not following through isn't an option in this day and age brother.

Options:
1) thank your stars that you've weeded out an uninterested chick (Once youve NEXTed her)

2)Laugh to yourself at how predictable these girls are (once youve gained some experience with a handful, you'll notice a pattern, and you'll be able to tell wether or not the chick will follow through straight away.)

3) Go postal - http://jezebel.com/5330560/gunman-murders-gym+going-women-misogynists-approve

Lets avoid that last one shall we ;)



The best way to avoid caring is to spin plates.
Click here If you dont understand what that means.


Also I reccomend you read this.
 

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Purefilth said:
Sadly - being angry at girls not following through isn't an option in this day and age brother.
Still got to learn this...

Purefilth said:
Options:
1) thank your stars that you've weeded out an uninterested chick (Once youve NEXTed her)

I don't get it, I haven't talked/called her since I made the first post. She gave me her number and said she wants to see me. She sent two more texts, the last one sounded apologetic; Earlier you suggested I call her. What changed so that now she's uninterested?


Purefilth said:
2)Laugh to yourself at how predictable these girls are (once youve gained some experience with a handful, you'll notice a pattern, and you'll be able to tell wether or not the chick will follow through straight away.)
What's the difference between this and option 1? :confused:

Purefilth said:
The best way to avoid caring is to spin plates.
Click here If you dont understand what that means.


Also I reccomend you read this. [/B]
Reading it now.
 

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I think Purefilth didn't read my previous message properly before saying she's disinterested.

I told her I was going to message her when I got home, so I had to do it. Since I can't wait for Purefilth come back and clarify, I replied to her without help:

The four principles I followed were: Indifference (I'm not afraid of losing her), Mystery, Challenge and of course being respectful by replying when I said I would.

I do have a priority project at work I have to finish by next week, and will save the company hundreds of dollars over the next few years. (I figured out how to refactor our network architecture to do this) If she asks me before we meet I'll say I'll talk about it later, to keep up the mystery. If she asks me when we meet, I'll reveal a few details, but try to retain some humility at the same time. If my company's management doesn't change their mind last minute, I hope the promotion they say they've been drafting up this week comes through and give me a confidence boost, though I have a feeling they're delaying till I finish the project, to see it all work.

If she doesn't reply 5pm Thursday, I'll never ask her out again. If she does, we'll meet for a quick 45 minute dinner. I'll try my best to be C&F that evening. I'll say something like "Let's go early, so I can take you home, I got to get to work early tomorrow.", to make sure I don't seem available. If I get this far, I'll make a move for a kiss before she goes home, to test her interest. If she kisses back, we'll continue to have something, otherwise, I'll never ask her out again. (She still lives with her parents so don't think she'll be inviting me in.)

Since I'm going to play, I'm going play for all the marbles.
 

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Lord Hypnos said:
this made me ROFL!. She's got you by the balls
I am not comfortable with negative challenge; You're trying to make the other person insecure but only because you're insecure yourself. It definitely works temporarily but IMO in the long run it's a loser's game.

(Saying you're going to contact someone by X date, and then don't, is negative challenge)

But you're right I might have shot myself in the foot. So be it.
 

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whatwg said:
Still got to learn this...




I don't get it, I haven't talked/called her since I made the first post. She gave me her number and said she wants to see me. She sent two more texts, the last one sounded apologetic; Earlier you suggested I call her. What changed so that now she's uninterested?




What's the difference between this and option 1? :confused:



Reading it now.


Dude....you are textbook AFC and shouldn't even be pondering over this chick any more...move on and drop her......and next time a girl on the rebound needs some sex f&ck her brains out and move on.....don't want to be the rebound...that is the most afc thing i have ever heard...like saying i don't want this guranteed sex because i want her to really love me...

All is lost with this one...you are her beta friend at this point and are overanalyzing everything when clearly her IL is beyond low...she thinks of you as a friend...move on and next time don't be afraid to bang a chick when she is vulnerable...stop with the nice guy crap...
 

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zinc4 said:
Dude....you are textbook AFC and shouldn't even be pondering over this chick any more...move on and drop her......and next time a girl on the rebound needs some sex f&ck her brains out and move on.....don't want to be the rebound...that is the most afc thing i have ever heard...like saying i don't want this guranteed sex because i want her to really love me...

All is lost with this one...you are her beta friend at this point and are overanalyzing everything when clearly her IL is beyond low...she thinks of you as a friend...move on and next time don't be afraid to bang a chick when she is vulnerable...stop with the nice guy crap...
Okay, but I'm not going to backtrack now.

It's hard to organize sex; I really need to move out of my brother's room...
 

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whatwg said:
I am not comfortable with negative challenge; You're trying to make the other person insecure but only because you're insecure yourself. It definitely works temporarily but IMO in the long run it's a loser's game.

(Saying you're going to contact someone by X date, and then don't, is negative challenge)

But you're right I might have shot myself in the foot. So be it.
didn't mean to be too hard you you bro, but the bottom line is this:
In your OP you mentioned that she was your first kiss, and you hung out with her a lot in your first year of university. So it's pretty much a given that you have a developed a serious case of ONEITIS. It's also pretty clear that she is just stringing you along, as a backup ****, while she plays the field. If her supply of ****s dries up, she'll give you some attention here and there. Otherwise, you're useless to her.

You need to realize that you had a very brief window of opportunity to nail her, (when she invited you out to a birthday party and when she got drunk) but you blew it! (it's ok, happens to everyone). Now the critical point is that, unless you NEXT her, your ONEITIS will just keep getting worse and worse, as you invest more of your time and energy into gaming her. It's like amputating a leg to save the rest of your body after a horrific accident. The doctor gives you a choice: You could either decide to keep the leg, but with the caveat that you're always going to have problems with it, or decide to cut it off, and learn to live life to the fullest as an amputee. It's your choice.
 

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Lord Hypnos said:
didn't mean to be too hard you you bro, but the bottom line is this:
In your OP you mentioned that she was your first kiss, and you hung out with her a lot in your first year of university. So it's pretty much a given that you have a developed a serious case of ONEITIS. It's also pretty clear that she is just stringing you along, as a backup ****, while she plays the field. If her supply of ****s dries up, she'll give you some attention here and there. Otherwise, you're useless to her.

You need to realize that you had a very brief window of opportunity to nail her, (when she invited you out to a birthday party and when she got drunk) but you blew it! (it's ok, happens to everyone). Now the critical point is that, unless you NEXT her, your ONEITIS will just keep getting worse and worse, as you invest more of your time and energy into gaming her. It's like amputating a leg to save the rest of your body after a horrific accident. The doctor gives you a choice: You could either decide to keep the leg, but with the caveat that you're always going to have problems with it, or decide to cut it off, and learn to live life to the fullest as an amputee. It's your choice.
this guys right.

Apologies - last night I was tired and didnt read the OP properly, thats what changed my mind earlier.

watwg said:
What's the difference between this and option 1?
Theres a big difference between recognising things/understanding them and Finding them funny.

Best beleive theres plenty of butthurt people who recognise the signs and go off getting upset about them.
But thats just one of the stages of growing - I think everyone has an angry phase, but as soon as they grow out of that and start finding the flaky female behaviour amusing - theyre at the next step. :)



EDIT: Just read this - http://pastebin.com/fPSBqFcB - Wow. AFC Overload. Cut Contact and start reading here to reboot.
 

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Just stop dude this is pretty pathetic. Delete her number and move on with your life. You're just a beta boy to her and it was painful reading some of those messages you sent her. You're conveying way to much interest over text and you sound needy. Be more aloof, but not with this girl, with girls in the future. There are too many girls out there for you to be hung up over one who you haven't even had sex with after years of trying. You need to know when to throw in the towel.
 

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