What kind of martial should i learn?

zorg198

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Hello brothers,

I want to study martial arts. besides going to the gym i want to learn martial arts that will improve my skills and my body. my mentality.

Can you guys recommend? or if some of you study it, tell me why this kind of martial arts vs others.



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Joe.
 

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I studied Judo and Tae Kwon Do. Got my black belt in the later. But as I've gotten older TKD is getting more difficult to stay good at. But there are a number of different associations that teach TKD. My recommendation would be to stay away from any that teach Olympic style TKD because they focus on stupid techniques that work well in competition (to score points) that is worthless in a REAL fight. Find a dojo run by a master that teaches traditional TKD. You can usually tell because there are few kids and women in these classes and they don't wear chest pads and headgear. You're going to get beat up pretty bad early on but when you get good.... IMO it is the best form for REAL fighting.

If you just want to do something and don't really care how effective it might be... aikido is pretty good and it is something you can remain really good at even in old age.
 

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Brazillian Jiu Jitsu for sure. All real fights eventually go to the ground and you're better off breaking/choking the other guy than striking him, even more so if he is bigger than you.
 

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focus on stupid techniques that work well in competition (to score points) that is worthless in a REAL fight.

And that's the failing of every martial art.

I love bjj; I trained for years. I'd say about 90% of white belt knowledge is relevant to a real fight. But at blue belt and above, it's more like ten percent. You spend a lot more time learning intricate gi techniques that are meant for tournaments. Plus, fighting off your back isn't a great idea in a street fight. BJJ was meant to be practiced on a mat.

My trainer's trainer was a world champ at bjj. He insisted upon turning pro in his first mma fight, and only wanted to fight the best fighters. So Strikeforce hooked him up with Jake Shields, who then beat the living daylights out of him. BJJ isn't so easy when you're getting your head dribbled like a basketball.

MMA is the same way. It's the closest sport to a real fight, but it is still really far from the real thing. MMA cages are like padded rooms they lock crazy people in. In a real fight, the ground is usually hard, and getting slammed into it or thrown into walls hurts. An MMA cage has a floor of two layers of padded mat that sits on top of big boards that flex a lot. It's not anything like falling into concrete. Plus, MMA has a ton of rules, and the point scoring has very little to do with hurting the other guy, unlike an actual fight.

BJJ came from Japanese jiu-jitsu, which was the fighting style of the Samurais. I would say it is the most realistic martial art. There's no pulling guard and flopping on your back. There's hardly any blood chokes like triangles; they take too long to complete, and thus aren't worth much on a battlefield. I don't think there are any Japanese jits competitions. Too many of the moves are like Krav-maga, crotch-kicks, eye gouges, and nasty stuff that can't be included in a friendly competition. But it's hard to find a trainer who is legit. Kind of like Krav Maga, I think most instructors are bullsh!t artists.

Consensus advice for learning to fight is that you will want to learn a striking art and a grappling art. Realistically, your best choices are going to be determined by your access to good training. I'd rather train TQD under a world champion than Krav Maga under a fraud of a sensai. Boxing/kickboxing is a good striking art; bjj and wrestling are the two most common grappling arts. If you can find a serious mma school that would let you train there, someplace where pro and UFC fighters train, that might be your best bet. I wish I lived in a place like Miami, where I could go to American Top Team and get beat up by the best. Being able to train with the highest level of fighters that you possibly can is a great honor. The last thing you want is a garage full of retards that you can beat up; you won't learn anything that way.
 

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Boxing
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Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
 

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Having a martial arts and boxing backround; alibiet not in almost ten years now, just know that I concur with the above advice. Spot on.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
Consensus advice for learning to fight is that you will want to learn a striking art and a grappling art.
This so much !!

My dad signed me up for Judo when I was 13 year old mamas boy. This is hillarious when I think about it now :D

Tbh if I were you and I could I would choose BJJ its more widespread and more effective in my opinion, philosophically they are the same.

I trained Aikido as well but it didnt really feel it and I dropped it after a year.

As for striking there are really many ways to go, consider Muay-Thai.
 

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Depends what your purpose is. Self defense or conditioning oriented?

I took Kung fu for 2 years with an official temple sifu (shi Guolin) when I was 18. It took a ton of practice and training to get your body used to all the stances and movements. It felt like boot camp and I was in decent shape. That was def a long term commitment that I couldn't see myself making so that might a no go for you.

After that I took up boxing and loved it. It has a spirit that I don't see in any other martial art. Easy to start easy to learn and gets you in amazing shape. there's a reason it's called the sweet science

Second to that I would say muay thai is the way to go. I'm just more averse to the sport where your more likely to suffer a debilitating blow. Low benefit to cost ratio.

I can't speak on the other arts but honestly just learning the fundamentals of striking (the 8-10 basic punches, footwork, defense,) and getting yourself in shape is enough to handle yourself in the street. I've had people back down after I pop my mouth piece in and take up fighting stance.

After you learn that you can decide if you like it enough to pick an art and invest in a real trainer and take it further

My purpose?

hmm... i want to learn something that will be efficient . also i want to improve my body and my mind.

Joe.
 

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Boxing and a few sessions with the local high school and college wrestling team. That's really all you need in my opinion. I can't for the life of me think of why you'd want to stay on the ground and submit somebody in a street fight. Stay off the ground and knock his block off!

Plus boxing is much cheaper than judo, muay thai, and jiu jitsu. Also most boxing gyms are in tough areas rather than the suburban areas that mma gyms are located in which is good for your attitude and toughness since you will likely be the outsider and need to prove yourself more. To be in "boxing shape" is insane. Your cardio will be out of this world and you will be lean and strong.

Also consider your age. 31 isn't old but you're staring at 40 down the street. Some arts are more prone to knee and shoulder injuries that come along with aging than others.
 

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Also I think you should post questions like this in the Anything Else section in the future.
 

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Stay off the ground and knock his block off!

Absolutely. That is Plan A.

The best description of bjj as it applies to a real fight that I have ever heard is this: bjj is for when you are losing the fight. Call it Plan B.

This is mount. It's when a guy tackles you and sits on your chest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_(grappling)

I knew a guy who got beat to death in a street fight (over a girl), because he could not escape mount. I was dating the girl while the murderer was doing a short prison sentence after copping a huge plea deal, and that's what made me start training. Three years later, the murderer got paroled, then killed himself with a heroin overdose after the same girl rejected him. Karma's a b!tch.

Getting out of mount when you are on bottom is a core skill of basic bjj.

By comparison, this is knee-on-belly:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knee-on-stomach

They look similar, but the second one is a jiu-jitsu for the streets move. Notice the guy on top is only touching the ground with his back foot. Most of his weight is on his shin, on the other guy's stomach. And yes, it fvcking sucks to be on bottom in this position; it hurts. I had a black belt jits instructor who was also a cop; he loved being able to hold people down that way.

Although it's the position of choice in mma, mount is not the best position if you're grappling on pavement, because your knees are on the concrete. The other guy will be flopping up and down, making you bang your knees into the ground. I've had a mat rub most of the skin off my feet from sitting on a guy during an mma fight. It that were pavement, it would have rubbed off a lot of my shins and knees.
 

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I actually think Jiu Jitsu is great. I did it for awhile and enjoyed myself but my knees took a beating and had to give it up. I just don't think it's the most practical sport for self defense.

Maybe it was in Brazil fighting on beaches and in the jungle on soft dirt but here if you try jiu jitsu in a street fight the back of your head will be split open. Far better to concentrate more heavily on decreasing the chances of being on the bottom with good leverage and takedown defense as well as quick strike power. Which is why the basics of boxing and wrestling are the most effective for someone who wants the basics of self defense. A little of both and you will be able to handle yourself against most anyone.

Of course some familiarity with jits is a good idea!

Now if OP wants a mindfvck as well as a total body workout I highly recommend BJJ. For a cerebral type it is more of a martial science than martial art and you can deconstruct and construct it for hours. More than any other art it is a lifestyle that people get into and order their life around it. Not a bad addiction as far as addictions go.
 

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a total body workout

That was my experience for about the first two years. But then after that it turned into the opposite. Guys at a gym tend to disappear and be replaced by new ones, after about the blue belt level, beating up on newer guys gets to be largely effortless physically. My gym broke up and split two ways, and I went with the mma guys and not the bjj guys. One of the jits guys who was the most equal to me in skill just got his brown belt. And damn has he gotten fat. I see a lot of tubby black and brown belts.

in Brazil fighting on beaches and in the jungle on soft dirt

Or a mat in a place owned by a Gracie. Helio made Gracie Jiu-Jitsu from Judo teachings, which is modern bjj as practiced now. Then they turned it into a family dog-and-pony show for generations. They were able to beat up anybody, because no one had ever seen the moves they were doing. That's how Royce won the first UFC. No one knew what an arm bar was; that's why it worked so well, even without weight classes and rules. Then in the next few years, every fighter started training defense against the basic bjj moves, and they didn't work like magic anymore.
 

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zorg198 said:
My purpose?

hmm... i want to learn something that will be efficient . also i want to improve my body and my mind.

Joe.
Efficient for what?

There are many ways to improve your body and improve your mind. What sorts of improvements are you looking for, and what would a martial art do to serve those purposes that other things cannot?
 

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MidnightCity said:
I've had people back down after I pop my mouth piece in and take up fighting stance.
Even if I KNEW I could kick "his" a$$.( And I can scrap and take a punch from the best of them.) Some dude takes a linty mouth piece out of his pocket, pops it in and removes his sport jacket to square of with me... Im thinking twice about whats about to go down, thats for sh!t sure.

Im leaving my house right now and going to buy a mouthpiece. Im not kidding. In all the martial arts I took, every Shihan, Renchi, Sensei, coach, instructor, always told me you can never lose a fight you avoid. I also dont think there are many HBs in jail.
 

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I trained in Muay Thai for years. It's a good challenge if you wanna test yourself and it will keep you in shape. The most efficient is crosstraining in more than one area. I'd say MMA. Striking skills are moot once someone puts you in a hold or gets the mount.
 

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Chronocidal said:
Efficient for what?

There are many ways to improve your body and improve your mind. What sorts of improvements are you looking for, and what would a martial art do to serve those purposes that other things cannot?
I mean,

A lot of martial arts famous of take the mind and the body and make them one. i was wonder about it , how it works. and what kind of martial arts do that.

Joe.
 
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