What is your end game???

[Suave]

"Before one must embark on any great journey, one must know where he is going."

Let me pose this question to everyone...What is your end game?

What drives you to learn the game and become better with women?

I would like to hear some concrete goals and some time frames to this question, not the typical "I want to improve myself" type of BS. I really want to hear people's plans for their future because without a plan I beleive it is impossible to accomplish anything.

For example, my goal for the next 3-4 months is to date no less than 10 attractive girls. Not any LTRs but to go out with and at least get some sort of action with ten different girls. It may sound simple, but this is my beginning goal on which I can build off of. What is driving me towards this goal is the challenge of it all because I am natuarally a very competitive person. I have boxed for more years than I can remember and I have discovered that for every punch I throw in the ring I throw 1,000 more in practice. This mindset helps me to be patient throughout learning the game since I know how long it takes to truely master something to win.

So, what are you looking to accomplish? To finally get that one girl who is just out of reach? To find someone special? To become the alpha male?

And what keeps you going? How do you stay patient through the learning process?

 

[md3sign]

I'm in roughly the same boat as you. I've had a bit of an epiphany recently so now my goal is to go out with as many hot chicks as possible. I don't want to impose a number on myself because then I'm putting myself under unnecessary pressure (only numerical goals I set are either gym or career related).

My driving motivation is similar to yours - I want experience. Ultimately I want to settle down with a family, but not for many years to come. I'm young, life is short, and the more I see what's out there the more I find out what I want/don't want.

 

[Antarctica]

Well, For me I guess I don't really need a girlfriend or anything. To be honest 75% of the reason I am here is because I like a challenge, and need advice every once and awhile. Females are one of the challenges I am working with. I ship out to the Navy in June, so that will be pretty sweet, trying to be a jack-of-all-trades with as many things as I can possibly do.

I want to have that aura of confidence where I can walk into a room, look at the girls, size up the guys(and know I am better than any of them) and proceed onto the festivities.

I guess I am a really stubborn person, and I want to settle for nothing but the best. I believe that if I want to have the best female out there, I need to be the best male out there(at least in the area right?).

That's all I got bro.

 

[CrunchyNut]

All my life I have been the person that everybody likes but nobody really notices; that isnt to say that I have sat doing nothing in the corner, I do sport, go clubbing and socialize a lot, but I always seem to be slightly on the periphery. I want to be the person that is at the hub, that people look to for the next idea.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

My end-game for the period between December 1st, 2006 to February 3rd, 2006, is to kiss-close women I have dates with at the end of the date, and to date, I've kissed three girls so far. Prior to this, I never kissed anyone before.

A further 'evaluation' of where my end game is going to go will be made on February 3rd.

I'm thinking of practising ejection routines like 'false time constraints' to further develop more confidence approaching. Approaching is easier when you know how to eject. Knowing how to end a conversation or date is more important than knowing how to start it.

 

[Suave]

What are these ejection routines that you are talking about Luke Skywalker? and Where did you find them?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

What are these ejection routines that you are talking about Luke Skywalker? and Where did you find them?

Well, there are old concepts really, they are called "False Time Constraints", usually you say you have to go somewhere (i.e. friends, another work-out machine) - and they serve a two-fold purpose - you can do a number close attempt in a comfortable way, and you can give make them feel more comfortable knowing they wont have to get rid of you - and even if you interact with them in the future (without asking for a number or doing a number close), they know you are going to be brief and will welcome you back.

Thus, ejection routine would simply be a direct approach, followed by some fluff talk (as much time as needed to get a basic connection - usually at least 30 seconds), and then a false time constraint with a number close attached to it.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Oh, I get it "end game" -- my end game is practising to end conversations and dates -- called "ejection", that's my end game. I just saw the connection, because it literally is an end game.

 

[md3sign]

luke your end game should be getting laid and then coming back here and realizing what you post ...

 

[Cloudtopsun2100]

haha classic
Im thinking of starting my end game whatver on 2/17
basically banging 2 new girls a month ( and they have to be white)

 

[Charm]

My driving motivation is similar to yours - I want experience. Ultimately I want to settle down with a family, but not for many years to come. I'm young, life is short, and the more I see what's out there the more I find out what I want/don't want.

You say that Ultimately you want to settle down with a family and then go on to say that life is short. Do you think waiting "many years to come" is going to cause you to miss out on more time spent with a family in this short life you said we have? Why specifically must you wait many years to settle down?

 

[Charm]

I believe that if I want to have the best female out there, I need to be the best male out there(at least in the area right?).

After reading this, I wonder what your definition is of the best female?

Furthermore, do you think that of all the females out there who fit the qualities of the best female you are talking about here, required that the guy they got with to be the best man out there? What if before you reached your ideal state of being the best man, you obtained the best female out there? Would you begin to question if she was indeed the best female or would you start considering that perhaps you were actually the best man already and just hadn't realized it?

 

[md3sign]

You say that Ultimately you want to settle down with a family and then go on to say that life is short. Do you think waiting "many years to come" is going to cause you to miss out on more time spent with a family in this short life you said we have? Why specifically must you wait many years to settle down?

Not at all. I would however regret not taking advantage of my youth if I settled down early. I wouldn't dream of married life until I saw the world, did most of the things I want to, and had a steady career. Not to mention finding 1 person you truly want to spend your life with (as opposed to just being stuck with someone because you have a lack of options) is something that's pretty hard for me to imagine not having experienced everything that's out there. Long story short I have a lot of things going for me right now if I want to achieve my goals I can't get tied down in a serious relationship where I spend a lot of time with another person.

 

[Charm]

Not at all. I would however regret not taking advantage of my youth if I settled down early. I wouldn't dream of married life until I saw the world, did most of the things I want to, and had a steady career. Not to mention finding 1 person you truly want to spend your life with (as opposed to just being stuck with someone because you have a lack of options) is something that's pretty hard for me to imagine not having experienced everything that's out there. Long story short I have a lot of things going for me right now if I want to achieve my goals I can't get tied down in a serious relationship where I spend a lot of time with another person.

Do you believe that you'll be able to experience everything that's out there? You mentioned you have some goals: a steady career, seeing the world.. Would you be able to enjoy achieving these goals with the person of your dreams already being in your life?

 

[md3sign]

Do you believe that you'll be able to experience everything that's out there? You mentioned you have some goals: a steady career, seeing the world.. Would you be able to enjoy achieving these goals with the person of your dreams already being in your life?

No, that's impossible. But I want to experience as much as I can. I would achieving those goals with the person of my dreams, but the thing is, I don't know who the person of my dreams is - I haven't dated around enough to form a complete picture. Furthermore, that's a tall order. After being single for a while you get used to it and you become a lot more skeptical about jumping into a monogamous relationship.

Let me ask you this - what advantages (in your 20s) does a monogamous relationship offer you that being single doesn't? And do those outweight being single and dating around?

 

[Charm]

Let me ask you this - what advantages (in your 20s) does a monogamous relationship offer you that being single doesn't? And do those outweight being single and dating around?

Well your question is loaded because it presupposes that we define advantage to be the same thing. It is advantageous to be flexible when it comes to defining relationships because they are dynamic and constantly undergoing transformation.

You mentioned that you have goals of focussing on a career and traveling/seeing the world.

If having a single partner who helped you with keeping your non-career related duties to a minimum by helping you keep your house clean and organized, meals prepared for you and time invested going out meeting other women to a minimum because she satisfied your physical needs and wants, would'nt you have more time to focus an advancing your career?

When you wanted to travel, even without her and you trusted her, couldn't you leave her to handle things while you were away that would let you focus on your travels and not all your "back home stuff?"


:rockon:

 

[md3sign]

1) Good luck finding a girl who'll be perfectly content cooking meals and cleaning up your sh!t while you go travel the world. Let's be realistic. You're also assuming the two of you live together, in which case it's marriage without the paperwork.

2) One person satisfying your physical needs and wants is also a tall order after you've experienced what it's like to have those needs satisfied by several women.

 

[Charm]

Good luck is what this game is all about. Learning how to create the good luck in our life is that which gives us exactly what we want.

Do you think that every person who has traveled the world while a woman was back home taking care of things for him had to be married without the paperwork? I never said anything about her living with you, only that she prepared meals and took care of your cleaning. What does it say about the kind of relationships you have been in if you've never had a woman do these things for you?

To your #2, do you not deserve a tall order when it comes to in your words "Ultimately finding the someone to settle down with and have a family"

 

[md3sign]

Good luck is what this game is all about.

This is where we don't see eye to eye at all. No point in furthering the discussion.

 

[Charm]

This is where we don't see eye to eye at all. No point in furthering the discussion.

Why do you need to see eye to eye with somebody in order to discuss something with them? Do you feel that people must agree with you or you simply cannot carry on an intellectual conversation?

I asked you explicit questions and you have chosen to use a statement of opinion that I made as an excuse to avoid answering them.

I asked you:

Do you think that every person who has traveled the world while a woman was back home taking care of things for him had to be married without the paperwork?

and

What does it say about the kind of relationships you have been in if you've never had a woman do these things for you?