What is this "taxation is theft" meme I read from american users on twitter?

[Pandora]

Ever been to Canada?

I live on a border city and go there frequently. I can assure things are far more expensive there than here. PST, GST, ridiculous fees added to everything. Paying $1.50 for a Liter of gasoline.

There is a reason why Canadian companies organize bus tours over here to go shopping on weekends and they are always sold out. It's cheaper to pay to go on one of those bus tours and shop at a 66% rate on the US Dollar than it is to go to their stores in Canada. But somehow we are paying more taxes? Yeah right.

Also, their healthcare system is backed up so long that for any procedure you are waiting months if not over a year. Many Canadians pay to have the procedures done in the US instead of waiting.

Don't talk about stuff you don't know about in factual terms.

I have been to Canada many times. Canada is not some exotic place. I also have many close friends from Canada. Yes some richer Canadians are coming over for specialty care but most Canadians don't need specialty care that is only provided in America. Canadians have access to primary care which is the cornerstone of any healthcare system. Many Americans dont even have a primary care physician. They just use the ER.

Ask Canadians if they would trade their healthcare system for ours. You already know the answer to that question. Do you honestly think Canadians would trade healthcare systems? Honest question.......

 

[Pandora]

Ever been to Canada?

I live on a border city and go there frequently. I can assure things are far more expensive there than here. PST, GST, ridiculous fees added to everything. Paying $1.50 for a Liter of gasoline.

There is a reason why Canadian companies organize bus tours over here to go shopping on weekends and they are always sold out. It's cheaper to pay to go on one of those bus tours and shop at a 66% rate on the US Dollar than it is to go to their stores in Canada. But somehow we are paying more taxes? Yeah right.

Also, their healthcare system is backed up so long that for any procedure you are waiting months if not over a year. Many Canadians pay to have the procedures done in the US instead of waiting.

Don't talk about stuff you don't know about in factual terms.

Canadians laugh at us for having the most expensive healthcare of virtually any industrialized nation. Please stop the intellectual dishonesty. Keep it real man.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Alright, let’s dive into the great tax showdown: Canada vs. the USA. Grab your popcorn because this comparison is more twisted than a soap opera.

### Welcome to Taxville
In the land of maple syrup, taxes start gentle at 15% but can skyrocket to 33% if you’re rolling in dough. Oh, and provinces? Yeah, they want their cut, too, turning your paycheck into a communal snack.

Down in the USA, the tax party kicks off at 10% and can balloon up to a whopping 37% for the high rollers. State taxes? It’s a wild ride from zero to “Why do I live here again?”

### Deductions: The Tax Loophole Olympics
Both countries offer a buffet of tax deductions and credits. It’s like a treasure hunt, but instead of gold, you’re searching for ways not to give away your gold.

### What’s In It for Me?
Canada throws in healthcare with your tax bill, like a surprise toy in a cereal box, but better because it’s actually useful. Americans, on the other hand, get the joy of shopping for health insurance. Yay, freedom?

### The Bottom Line: Who’s Getting Schooled?
Canadians often hand over more of their paycheck to the taxman, but hey, at least when they break a leg, they don’t break the bank. Americans might get to flaunt their slightly fatter paychecks until they remember that doctor’s visit costs more than a new iPhone.

In the end, Canadians might be the quiet ones at the party, but they’re not going home to a surprise medical bill. Americans, enjoy those few extra bucks, but don’t get sick. It’s all about priorities, folks!

 

[Pandora]

Alright, let’s dive into the great tax showdown: Canada vs. the USA. Grab your popcorn because this comparison is more twisted than a soap opera.

### Welcome to Taxville
In the land of maple syrup, taxes start gentle at 15% but can skyrocket to 33% if you’re rolling in dough. Oh, and provinces? Yeah, they want their cut, too, turning your paycheck into a communal snack.

Down in the USA, the tax party kicks off at 10% and can balloon up to a whopping 37% for the high rollers. State taxes? It’s a wild ride from zero to “Why do I live here again?”

### Deductions: The Tax Loophole Olympics
Both countries offer a buffet of tax deductions and credits. It’s like a treasure hunt, but instead of gold, you’re searching for ways not to give away your gold.

### What’s In It for Me?
Canada throws in healthcare with your tax bill, like a surprise toy in a cereal box, but better because it’s actually useful. Americans, on the other hand, get the joy of shopping for health insurance. Yay, freedom?

### The Bottom Line: Who’s Getting Schooled?
Canadians often hand over more of their paycheck to the taxman, but hey, at least when they break a leg, they don’t break the bank. Americans might get to flaunt their slightly fatter paychecks until they remember that doctor’s visit costs more than a new iPhone.

In the end, Canadians might be the quiet ones at the party, but they’re not going home to a surprise medical bill. Americans, enjoy those few extra bucks, but don’t get sick. It’s all about priorities, folks!

That is a fair analysis of the tax argument. I can agree with that.

When I say high taxes I am talking about a single man making 80k to 100k in America. He is getting screwed unless he knows loopholes. He is better off in Canada. I think deep down we know that having to worry about bankruptcy for the birth of your child is evil. Like you said Canadians might be slightly less " rich" but they get a lot back. Oh and dont forget they pay significantly less for college. A lot less.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Here in California just be a combat veteran, it means free healthcare (that's a federal benefit) (tip top, btw), and in California, as much as the assembly here may hate it, we have better benefits provided by the state (Calvet) than any other state: namely free higher education (tuition, fees, books) for the vet, his spouse and children - FOR LIFE, as many degrees and levels of education as you’d want. Housing if needed and a plethora of other things - that’s right baby. If you’re disabled you get a monthly stipend as well, for life and access to the PX and Commisary (no taxes). There is too much else to list.

Everywhere there are hacks, you just need to find them.

 

[Pandora]

Here in California just be a combat veteran, it means free healthcare (that's a federal benefit)(tip top, btw), and in California, as much as the assembly here may hate it, we have better benefits provided by the state (Calvet) than any other state: namely free higher education (tuition, fees, books) for the vet, his spouse and children - FOR LIFE, as many degrees and levels of education as you’d want. Housing if needed and a plethora of other things - that’s right baby. If you’re disabled you get a monthly stipend as well, for life and access to the PX and Commisary (no taxes). There is too much else to list.

Everywhere there are hacks, you just need to find them.

Dang that sounds awesome. Yeh the military is a big hack. Calvet seems to be amazing but here on the East Coast they have TriCare. I have heard mixed things about TriCare.

Btw its awesome that California takes care of their veterans like that. Aleast California does something right.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Yes how about we compare ourselves to the very bottom of the barrel. That should make us feel good.
Thats like saying "you should be grateful to be dating a skinny single mother. There are some guys who date fat ugly single mothers"

When comparing the USA to other INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS we rank very low in just about everything. You cant compare yourself to Somalia and feel good about our position. Like I said even my "shyt hole" country in West Africa has paved roads, running water and airports. That is the lowest of the low metric to feel grateful for. Stop it.

I was informed that the reason the USA has an insane tipping culture is because it makes eating out cheaper overall. I visited a string of EU countries recently and even without tipping being a requirement, it was still noticeably cheaper than eating out in the US. Hell, I watched a Switzerland visit video the other day and the prices were on par with the prices here in the states. Yet, I will bet my pair of nuts that Switzerland has decent infrastructure, relatively clean, and etc compared to the USA. Like you said, if you are working middle class then you are getting screwed here in the US.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Canadians laugh at us for having the most expensive healthcare of virtually any industrialized nation. Please stop the intellectual dishonesty. Keep it real man.

They laugh at us, but then still use it when they don't feel like waiting a year.

How about learn WTF you are talking about before posting your "opinion", which is apparently curated from random dudes on YouTube rather than any actual real experience on the subject matter?

Didn't have much to say about the shopping situation I pointed out I see.

 

[Pandora]

They laugh at us, but then still use it when they don't feel like waiting a year.

How about learn WTF you are talking about before posting your "opinion", which is apparently curated from random dudes on YouTube rather than any actual real experience on the subject matter?

Didn't have much to say about the shopping situation I pointed out I see.

The vast majority of Canadians have never been to the USA for medical care. Lets keep it real. A very small percentage of people from around the world travel to the USA every year for treatment of rare and complicated conditions. This is because American healthcare will give you what you want if you have ALOT of money. Much like a prostitute.

Show me evidence of all the droves of Canadians that envy our healthcare. Please.

I cant argue the shopping situation. Yes the American dollar is strong compared to the Canadian dollar. The only thing that is cheap in America is goods and services. You have to keep the slaves occupied and entertained right. You have to keep them constantly consuming their life away.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

You mean other than having paved roads, interstates, sewage treatment facilities, running water, trash pickup, etc etc etc...

Why do you think taxes are the only way to pay for those things?

 

[Pandora]

I was informed that the reason the USA has an insane tipping culture is because it makes eating out cheaper overall. I visited a string of EU countries recently and even without tipping being a requirement, it was still noticeably cheaper than eating out in the US. Hell, I watched a Switzerland visit video the other day and the prices were on par with the prices here in the states. Yet, I will bet my pair of nuts that Switzerland has decent infrastructure, relatively clean, and etc compared to the USA. Like you said, if you are working middle class then you are getting screwed here in the US.

100% facts. I was talking to a taxi driver in another country once. He said he loved Americans because they always tiped. He once worked in Japan and said even the Japanese dont tip. They just pay the exact amount. If you tip in other countries they are pleasantly surprised.

Tipping culture is just a way for companies to under pay the staff. Waiting tables is hard work and it is skilled work. I did it for years and it is harder than some " skilled" jobs.

Btw how are the EU countries? I never really been. One day I would like to visit as an adult.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Yes how about we compare ourselves to the very bottom of the barrel. That should make us feel good.
Thats like saying "you should be grateful to be dating a skinny single mother. There are some guys who date fat ugly single mothers"

When comparing the USA to other INDUSTRIALIZED NATIONS we rank very low in just about everything. You cant compare yourself to Somalia and feel good about our position. Like I said even my "shyt hole" country in West Africa has paved roads, running water and airports. That is the lowest of the low metric to feel grateful for. Stop it.

Terrible analogy.

It’s called humility. We should not take these things for granted. Especially with mentality like this:

Why do you think taxes are the only way to pay for those things?

Taxes are the best way to pay for these things. The private sector already tried and failed miserably.

 

[Pandora]

Terrible analogy.

It’s called humility. We should not take these things for granted. Especially with mentality like this:



Taxes are the best way to pay for these things. The private sector already tried and failed miserably.

We should be grateful that our overlords bless us with the bare minimum. We should be grateful that medical bills are the # 1 cause of bankruptcy in the USA. We should also be grateful that we have some of the worst infrastructure of any industrialized nation.

What you are describing is a slave mentality. The rulers should be grateful that WE let them stay in power. This is our money. Not theirs. You dont have to be grateful for shyt when you are paying for it.

 

[Pandora]

Terrible analogy.

It’s called humility. We should not take these things for granted. Especially with mentality like this:



Taxes are the best way to pay for these things. The private sector already tried and failed miserably.

The issue with taxes is that it is taken by the threat of violence. The other issue with taxes is that corruption and mispending will ultimately take over.


It is possible to come together in small groups of 150 to 200 to build houses and roads etc. This is what we have been doing since before we formed the nation state ( for millions of years).

Do the Amish need taxes? No. They pool their labor together. Do the Aboriginal tribes need taxes? No. They all come together and help each other.

This taxes thing is just an outgrowth of the agricultural revolultion which led to kingdoms and nation states. Its a scam.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

You can argue back and forth about whether taxation is legal or not. If you talk to former IRS employees a few of them will be brave enough to say it's not.

But putting that endless discussion aside, the problem is not whether it is legal, but how it is used and where most of it goes.

 

[Pandora]

You can argue back and forth about whether taxation is legal or not. If you talk to former IRS employees a few of them will be brave enough to say it's not.

But putting that endless discussion aside, the problem is not whether it is legal, but how it is used and where most of it goes.

Bro i agree. I hate to be negative but the older I get the more I see that tax is just a giant money laundering scheme. We actually have more than enough to make our lives decent. Politicians are generally parasites that use tax dollars to line their pockets.
Its been that way since the first govt was formed.

Im okay with corruption but atleast give something back damn.

 

[Pandora]

Americans work more hours per week than the Japenese now. Yet Japan has low crime, awesome public transport etc.

We get cucked with the family court, cucked with taxes, cucked with our women, cucked with healthcare etc ........its comical at this point.

Americans work longest hours among industrialized countries, Japanese second longest. Europeans work less Time, but register faster productivity gains New ILO statistical volume highlights labour trends worldwide

www.ilo.org

 

[Kotaix]

"taxation is theft" is a meme because of the amount of public spending that is thrown away on worthless trash.

Argentina is a great example of this. Now that Milei is in power, they've gone from a fiscal deficit to a surplus in a matter of months by tearing out a bunch of expenditure on worthless garbage like the ministry of Diversity Equity and Inclusion and the ministry of women. They found that a full half of the community kitchens that helped to feed the poor didn't even exist, and that those kitchens that did exist were over-declaring their needs TEN FOLD and then spending that money on the lowest quality food they could find when they're supposed to buy high quality food. Where does all the surplus go? Right into the pockets corrupt government officials and their friends.

There is no problem with taxation when the money is spent responsibly, but the US government spends money like a low-IQ moron. Racking up debt for short-term gains with no regard for the long-term disaster that is being built.

 

[AttackFormation]

Is it related to the founding fathers and the revolution against britain?

It originates as an ideological meme from right-libertarianism. In USA they would just call it libertarianism, because Murray Rothbard and his pals captured that word from anarchists (libertarian socialists) that it originated from.

Their argument is that a government threatens you with force if you dont pay your taxes, so all taxation is theft. It's easy to show that argument is nonsensical with their ideology's own logic, because the government doesnt force them to stay there, so if they dont like it they can just move. Just like they would tell a tenant or worker to do. If they dont want to do that, then under their logic that means they "prefer" the current government, so their complaint is hypocritical. If theyre technically free to move but say they lack the means to do it, for example because there is no more land on Earth to create their country, or they lack equipment. Then they affirm the validity of positive freedom, but their ideology is supposed to reject that and adhere to negative freedom, so it would again disprove their ideology.

I doubt the typical enjoyer of that meme thinks that far about it though. And many people likely just mean that the government is wasteful, but "much taxation is wasteful" is a completely different point than "taxation is theft".

 

[BMX]

Here in California just be a combat veteran, it means free healthcare (that's a federal benefit) (tip top, btw), and in California, as much as the assembly here may hate it, we have better benefits provided by the state (Calvet) than any other state: namely free higher education (tuition, fees, books) for the vet, his spouse and children - FOR LIFE, as many degrees and levels of education as you’d want. Housing if needed and a plethora of other things - that’s right baby. If you’re disabled you get a monthly stipend as well, for life and access to the PX and Commisary (no taxes). There is too much else to list.

Everywhere there are hacks, you just need to find them.

Hard pass. What a timesuck.

I'm throwing away all my papers and crossing into Jacumba, CA illegally for a massive payday and superior benefits. It's a lot faster and easier than having to uselessly deploy with your presh 1st Fairytale Woke Joke Div soyboys to stupid, far-off places for months on end. True (modern day) story. Call me an Uncle Juan for all IGAF.