What is the relationship between law and ethics?

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This is an essay question. Describe the relationship between law and ethics, and speculate as to why they are lumped together at yahoo answers. Compare and contrast, if it helps your argument, but I'm more interested in the _relationship_ between them than their similarities and differences, or in simple definitions.
 

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The law, at least statutory and case law, reflects the ethics that are most widely held in our society. If enough people share the ethic, it will likely become a law.
 

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It's simple. Law is there for us to obey. It is there to control the populous, to impose some sort of limitations on what we do. If law is not ethical then populous will feel oppressed and eventually revolution will happen. Law and ethics are together, and often are discussed together, because populous will only follow what is morally right, or ethical.

ALAS. Soviet Union, restrictive laws led to a collapse.


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If you want your essay interesting and if you willing to take this mother to places it never been before, you can do what's right (the unpopular thing). Talk how laws lately in U.S. are restrictive and oppressive, and how this might eventually lead to a revolution.
 

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Ethics, in contrast to morality which is relativistic, are universal and based upon logic and reasoning. Drinking alcohol can be rightfully considered immoral but it certainly is not unethical on its own merits, unless the ethics of the circumstances supercede. Ethics are the pillar foundation of society and in much the same regard the rule of law is what binds society together. United we stand but divided we fall. Laws are a hybrid mixture between ethics and morality; the logic and reasoning of ethics combined with the relativism of morality. Rather than the universality of ethics and relativism of morality, laws are a compromise for all between many.
 

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Deep Dish said:
Ethics, in contrast to morality which is relativistic, are universal and based upon logic and reasoning. Drinking alcohol can be rightfully considered immoral but it certainly is not unethical on its own merits, unless the ethics of the circumstances supercede. Ethics are the pillar foundation of society and in much the same regard the rule of law is what binds society together. United we stand but divided we fall. Laws are a hybrid mixture between ethics and morality; the logic and reasoning of ethics combined with the relativism of morality. Rather than the universality of ethics and relativism of morality, laws are a compromise for all between many.
I would have to disagree. There are many ethics which are based on oughts and ideas instead of logic and reasoning. Divine command theory for example is much less about what comes from rationality but what is declared by God. Although there are cornucopias of examples one could use to show this, the point stands. Neither are they always circumstantial nor the pillars of society.

Law and morality is a very interesting combination. On one side you have lex naturalis (natural law) with Hobbes, Locke, etc. Dworkin believes morality is closely tied to the law -- by necessary connection. Then on the other hand you have thinkers like H.L.A. Hart where there is no necessary connection between law and morality.

Ethics is not necessarily universal unless you are a universalist and then it is universal qua inter-subjectivity. Sure there are theories such as Kant's Deontological view that give rigid duties and morality based around an imperative but there is also Ethical Relativism, and countless other theories on both sides of the equation. Although some of them may be more plausible than others none of them are proven correct. That is not to say I think Plato's Republic is a viable choice but most theories can be argued for in a logical fashion.

Jurisprudence is a complicated philosophy if only for the number of possible theories and how they come into practice. Morality and law have a very different relationship in Bentham's Utilitarianism than they would for a Postmodern structuralist.

Ronald Dworkin (not be be confused with this feminist) and Hart are very good to look at if you're writing an essay because one believes in the necessary connection of laws and morality while the other does not. John Austin is insightful too for positive law if you're using Hart. Other topics that might help are Hobbes' negative freedom (chapter XIV Leviathan) and Charles Taylor's "What's Wrong with Negative Liberty" where he discusses the positive aspect of it. It is quite the ancillary for a law and morality study.

If you're in a 300+ class might be to look at Hegel's commentary on Kantian dualism. If you figure out exactly what you want to write about and for what class (you have quite a broad category there and I am not sure what type of course you are doing) I can suggest some material you could use.

Glad you're educating yourself about the society you live in. I'm a law student so feel free to ask anything. :)
 

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Heart Break Kid,

Touché! Thank you for correcting me, I love it. :wave:

(There is one off-topic question I want to ask, about paralegal jobs, but you can PM if you want.)
 

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Ethics are used to prevent and deter any illegal activity or wrongdoing.

Law is there to punish after the fact (after crime has been committed).
 

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Bible_Belt said:
The law, at least statutory and case law, reflects the ethics that are most widely held in our society. If enough people share the ethic, it will likely become a law.
Statutory law reflects the will of the legislature. Who influences the legislature the most? Those with money. Special interests. Lobbyists. So law oftentimes reflects the views of the elite. Not all the time (i.e. we all think it's wrong to rape children), but many times (i.e. eminent domain exercised for a new strip mall; protestors needing a "license" to protest, etc.).

Case law reflects the will of judges. Who influences the judges? Either the politicians who appoint them, or those with money who pay for their campaigns. In the latter case, do judges really have different platforms when running? Every one will say, "I'm fair and am tough on crime". So it boils down to name recognition and patronage.
 

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Sandow said:
Ethics are used to prevent and deter any illegal activity or wrongdoing.

Law is there to punish after the fact (after crime has been committed).
Your dichotomy is false.

Criminal law, at least, has four basic goals in the common law system:

1. Deterrance (Hey, I don't want to go to jail for robbing that lady!)
2. Retribution (He robbed me! I hope he rots in jail!)
3. Reformation (My time in jail has allowed me to reflect upon my wrongdoing and resolve to better myself.)
4. Restraint (I'm in jail now so I can't get out and rob more people.)

The true and only difference between law and ethics is that law is a code of conduct backed by the full coercive power of the state.
 
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