What is the maximum age to be a pua?

[Questionitall]

When my grandpa was 63 he married a 31 year old woman.

They had dated for about 3 years before. She was a 7 out of 10. He was financially stable but not wealthy. He was handsome, personable, confident and fit. He had an average amount of education for a man of his generation.

My grandpa probably got lucky and the woman he married was probably an anomaly......probably, but maybe not (what do I know).

What is generally the maximum age for a man to date and marry a woman (who is at least average looking) who is in her 20's or 30's?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

What is generally the maximum age for a man to date and marry a woman

As long as he's got a functioning boner and bank account, it's all good.

 

[Mike32ct]

The Norwood number is the limit.

 

[Lookatu]

When my grandpa was 63 he married a 31 year old woman.

They had dated for about 3 years before. She was a 7 out of 10. He was financially stable but not wealthy. He was handsome, personable, confident and fit. He had an average amount of education for a man of his generation.

My grandpa probably got lucky and the woman he married was probably an anomaly......probably, but maybe not (what do I know).

What is generally the maximum age for a man to date and marry a woman (who is at least average looking) who is in her 20's or 30's?

He was in a different generation pre-internet. He wouldn't be able to do this now adays.

One could argue that PUA is a state of mind. However in current society, I doubt most older guys(apart from celebrities) can really pull young gals unless there is some kind of sugar daddy component to it, or if she has daddy issues/mental issues.

 

[SW15]

As long as he's got a functioning boner and bank account, it's all good.

I agree that a functioning boner is most essential.

What is generally the maximum age for a man to date and marry a woman (who is at least average looking) who is in her 20's or 30's?

Realistically, I would say that it is 45 for starting a relationship with a woman in her 20s and 55 for starting a relationship with a woman in her 30s. Yes, there are outliers and I am excluding sugar daddy type arrangements from this analysis.

Obtaining a big age difference is a greater challenge in any era. In technology assisted approaches, most 20s/30s women are on swipe apps and not legacy website platforms like Match.com. When women use swipe apps, many women will restrict the matches that they see on the apps. A lot of women won't go above 10 years older than themselves on apps. Most of the swipe apps have bad male-female ratios and women have huge swipe queues. On a swipe apps, it is much easier for a woman to date up than if all her sourcing of dates was done in real life. A lot of 30 and 35 year old women on swipe apps have numerous options of men no more than 2-3 years older than she is. That's a very narrow age gap. In real life, if you are a 40 year old man and you stop a 25 year old woman in public somewhere and say something, she has to have a split second to actually field that approach, whereas there is a good chance that she will not see you at all on the swipe app. That split second in an advantage. Sometimes a woman will shut it down immediately in person, and that's to be expected. In person, you will at least have an opportunity to pitch yourself.

If you're an older guy wanting a woman 10+ years younger than yourself, there's a burden on you to be more extraordinary. Let's say you're a 40 year old guy wanting women 22-27. You have the onus to prove that you offer something that she can't get with men within 2-5 years of her own age. You're not only going to have to have a fitness level and facial aesthetics comparable to a younger man, you're also going to have to have some other attribute that she can't find with younger men. Often times, that is a higher salary to afford more awesome things and have a more lavish lifestyle. It can take on other forms too. Sometimes having a more masculine aura can work for Gen X guys wanting Millennial women because a lot of Millennial men are soy boy pansies.

While men do not have a biological clock like women do, we have to cope with our own abilities to attract a younger partner. A lot of 40 year old men are not spectacular enough for a 22-27 year old, and end up settling for some 35+ woman. The same principle would apply for a 50 year man with 30-39 year old women and having to settle for the 45+ set.

 

[Lookatu]

If you're an older guy wanting a woman 10+ years younger than yourself, there's a burden on you to be more extraordinary. Let's say you're a 40 year old guy wanting women 22-27. You have the onus to prove that you offer something that she can't get with men within 2-5 years of her own age. You're not only going to have to have a fitness level and facial aesthetics comparable to a younger man, you're also going to have to have some other attribute that she can't find with younger men. Often times, that is a higher salary to afford more awesome things and have a more lavish lifestyle. It can take on other forms too. Sometimes having a more masculine aura can work for Gen X guys wanting Millennial women because a lot of Millennial men are soy boy pansies.

I agree with everything you said but the above paragraph is leaving out one component and that is in today's society, the younger gals are always seeking their peer approvals and validations, especially girls in their 20's. Even if they find you attractive, they will need approval and validation from their friends. If they don't have it, no amount of charm, looks, status, wealth will get them. Of course there will be the exceptions and the outliers.

 

[Cappo Yung]

Most likely she is an anomaly... And they are/ were together for reasons we know not. I would be ok at 70 with a woman in her 30’s, As long as I can keep up with her, If I cant- then I will let her go and live her life with someone who can keep up with her in all areas.

 

[fastlife]

You still have time--and that's your most precious resource. If you start putting in the work, you should be able to have a pretty good handle on this part of your life by the time you're in your early/mid 40s--plenty of time to enjoy girls in their 20s and 30s. But remember, you're going up against 38 years of social conditioning and wired beliefs that have you where you are right now and none of this will be easy.

So go out this weekend and start talking to girls. You'll get sh1t tested on your age since you're caught up on it right now and girls will always find your insecurities and test you on them. But don't take it at face value. If you pass, you'll get attraction. If you don't, then she'll make a big deal about your age. You'll also be automatically filtered out for most girls on swipe apps, so in person will definitely get you more mileage.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I agree with everything you said but the above paragraph is leaving out one component and that is in today's society, the younger gals are always seeking their peer approvals and validations, especially girls in their 20's. Even if they find you attractive, they will need approval and validation from their friends. If they don't have it, no amount of charm, looks, status, wealth will get them. Of course there will be the exceptions and the outliers.

110% they need their group to approve

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I used to work at a Gas Station with this super, suuuuper old guy, I never asked him how old he was, he had to of been at least 75.

By all accounts, this guy has to of passed away by now, but his name was Glenn Taarnes, he was really one of the most bright souls I have ever met.

I had this 20 lb dumbell at the gas station, we would take turns using to exercise while the other served customers, this old guy kept up with me and I was like 19, I was god damn impressed, he did this for like 2 years with me after school, we only worked for 2 hours a day.

Glenn went through a nasty divorce that was facilitated by him telling his daughter that he was having an affair, strangely he said, he felt compelled to tell her randomly just as she was grabbing an item out of their freezer and she went on to tell his wife, then all his sons and daughters started taking sides, you could see it was something that bothered him endlessly.

But Glenn was a fighter, like mentally unbreakable; he was dating this woman who was not even 40, AND he jacked her from her husband who was her age... So her husband, he starts throwing nails underneath Glenn's tires every morning, like this guy went at least an hour out of his way to do this.

So Glenn went out, bought a video camera that he was going to leave in his car overnight, pointed towards the sidewalk and hopefully catch this guy in the act. He did, and I saw this guys big ol' gut bouncing along, throwing the nails down, then walking away when Glenn showed me the video.

I cannot find an obituary for him, he might still be kicking, telling his Viagra fueled escapades to some other young guy.

Glenn was more than just a role model, he was a good friend, he tried to cover for me once when my bosses wife showed up with popsicles for me, said she wanted to take me for a ride quick, he tried to keep her there for me as long as he could, but I had just left to go grab us coffees, probably the sexual experience I wanted the most too, but just didnt work out.

Sadly, the day he left for Ontario with his young girlfriend, due to the husband doing even more shady stuff, he wanted to say bye to me and he waited but I never came that day, definitely regret that.

Glenn proved to me if you keep yourself in shape, healthy, just need a lil' viagra and your good lol

 

[zekko]

When my grandpa was 63 he married a 31 year old woman.

That's not a PUA.

Anyway, I don't think there are any age limitations, it's just that your odds go down, and her reasons for dating you might become more questionable.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I agree with everything you said but the above paragraph is leaving out one component and that is in today's society, the younger gals are always seeking their peer approvals and validations, especially girls in their 20's. Even if they find you attractive, they will need approval and validation from their friends. If they don't have it, no amount of charm, looks, status, wealth will get them. Of course there will be the exceptions and the outliers.

+1

Like parrots, they often regurgitate the same ****. Equal but they purse taller, wealthier, better looking, and lifestyle than they have. Hypergamy is well defined. The most common denominator in female logic is sheeple mentality. The culture dictated behaviour and women follow whatever they can to fit the mold. Rope in some schmuck.

I have some wealthy and dare i say rich playboy friends who got game but are naive.Women target said dudes. I watch how they con with sex and submission. Playboy does the heavy lifting and she moves in to the mcmansion. Not there yet fellas on the cobra tate Mcmansion YET. I would have a field day kicking out women who would have the nerve to try and move in lololol. No dice!

I see this far too often and I'm annoyed more about it when its a close friend or whatever. The burden of performance, hit your stride and some skank leeches her way in. I am disgusted with female nature and annoyed by male naivety. I have even seeded red pill truth bombs indirectly and it goed over their head even still. I watched a fella call out a girl showing up when he hit it big and she smiled and shrugged it off like the sociopath she is. Consciously, he knows it and yet dudes march off the cliff in blue pill psychedelic haze. I swear it is a bad trip run a muck when guys unplug. Too little too late.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I know of 59 & 19. Just sayin’ ‍

 

[wifehunter]

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[Poonani Maker]

I'm currently in my mid-40s courting a used-up 28 yr old (I'd say she was a 7/10 10 years ago, she showed me before and after contrasting pics, but today I'd say she's a 5). I'm a 7 according to Face. Used to be 8. Would have been higher in youth if not for masturbation I couldn't shake then. My hormones from teens through 30s were outlandish. I blame my friend from youth who showed me his dad's graphic porn when I was 4-5 years old. His mom had me in day care from 10 weeks old until school started. Wasn't a Christian place to be for 3 years, more Jewish or worldly (bigger sister was hot, but havin sex very early).

It's all her making the decision to pursue me. I mean she Stalks me. I think an older woman who's known me longer than her has let her know I'm in good shape (while her family isn't losing their business, and her losing her job due to COVID), plus I guess she just Really is attracted to my looks and body? She's part mexican and german, it's bizarre but her whole family doesn't look like her. She was cute when young, but has acne scars now..drugs? I haven't pried into her past much at all to this point, and of course she hasn't offered because she's still trying to win me over. I'm probably the worst catch she's ever tried to reel in. I won't even call her, even though she gave me her number. She's been to my house thrice.

If I bought like an $800,000 (too big for me btw) house, then I'm sure there'd be more women her age pursuing me, but I'm only focused on making my money work for me. I'd be "house poor," if I made a rash move going into debt to appear "rich." I have all I need, as a Man. But for over-zealous women of today, My enough is not Their enough. This one I'm with, the 5, doesn't seem to care at all that I live well below my means. I see many guys making mistakes getting $400,000 homes when they don't even make as much as me, yet. I can't imagine the Stress of putting yourself behind the 8 ball like that. It compromises you to be "house" or "car" "poor." I know a guy just yesterday tell me he's been test-driving Audi's at a few dealerships pissing them off for not buying, but he's about to buy one, when he makes 1/2 what I make. The impulsiveness of guys is like women these days. They get bored just like women and want it Now. It's sad. I just want to not have to work in 10 years or less. Women don't understand that. That you cannot go on working into your 60s and 70s at the same pace. They're Idiots.

 

[Lookatu]

Oh trust me. Women 20 years younger will see you in secret without scrutiny of their friends. They will submit very nicely. They want to experience a well put together older man.

I agree with you but "in secret" is the key with a lot of younger gals. Obviously, if you are just banging them then that's a perfect scenario anyways.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

As a fella who has spent way the ****kkk too much time on pickup, i advise against the pursuit. Instead, pursuing competence in game and approach. Chase a skill set to bring to the free market to acquire a excellent ROI. Women are a headache and a lousy ROI given the amount of time suck women will be. Don't chase M PUA status. Learn to code. Chase entrepreneurship. Get a trade and build a business. Do something worthwhile.

Acquire game competence. Check out the old archives. Check old school mystery method. Rsd has some good OLD content. ToddV too. Checkout Tom Torrero and the London day game model. Check out new school fellas like playwith fire, James Tusk, Austen Summers, and others. Do 3 sets EVERYDAY. STACK! Aim to do more advanced sets. As bars and clubs are dead, i have resorted to day game mainly. Pickup on the street, gym, grocery store, parks, walking my dog, cafe, etc.

Op, get paper right. Aim at lifestyle. Roch don't hurt. The better Lifestyle, the more you can do. You can travel. You can have access to the fruits of your labor. You can get onto the high value men don't wait or waste your time on low value or low hanging fruit.

After the time in game, you go through the fire, and you become something else. You are motivated by whatever you desire and your sources of inspiration. You put your best foot forward. Be warned. There's no going back afterwards. You cannot plug back into the matrix after seeing female nature as it is. You got to be a mercenary in the game. Winner takes all. Become ruthless but calibrated. Women are savage. Don't get it twisted. The game describes a bigger better prize. Climb the dominance hierarchy. Stake your claim on women and world. Just take a second glance when baeeeees show up once you came, saw, and conquered.

Hotter girls are turning 18 19 20 21 every day. Every set is practice. Game on.

 

[oOh Nasty]

Turning 35 in just a few months. Girls my age are easier but uglier in my part of town. I've had a very long dry spell of almost half a year because I'm too stubborn to stick it into something that I think is less than a 7. My friend tells me to just stop being so picky and respond to those fatties on OLD...but I just can't.

I don't think I'll ever stop trying to escalate with girls I think are attractive no matter if they're 18 or 40. Statistically however, 90 percent of them are 18 to 25ish .

I've been managing my uncle's restaurant chain since I was about 25 so tail has been semi-consistent. It helped me that the shareholders of all the places I worked for believed that their waitresses should be women (China ). But now that covid hit and I've also decided not to return to the food industry, I guess I'm gonna have to learn some old-school approaching.

Been moonlighting what I believe will be game-changing in the music industry for the past year and covid gave me a real opportunity to spend lots more time on it. The confidence I obtain from it should help me demonstrate value for the younger, hotter chicks that we all desire. Right now, I have no plates and no leads. Ex-plates don't message me back anymore because of whatever. So, this will be quite the trying time for me and a test of endurance. And...I still refuse to try bedding a chick that I'll feel disgusted about post-bang.

I'll escalate with any chick I find cute whenever I have the chance to because not doing so when you're not locked up in a marriage is putting yourself on the path to blue-pilldom. There's lots of times I don't approach or try to escalate, but I do my best not to blame it on some moral rationalization. The cold hard truth is that SMV / confidence wasn't high enough.

So yes, approach, escalate, get physical quickly or slowly, whatever. But, get physical with women. And keep doing it until you're 70. Like @DEEZEDBRAH said, work on your personal conquests and vision, but still approach and escalate whenever you can. Create situations where you're DHVing like crazy, improve your SMV in whatever ways you can - do it religiously, and stay cool as f*ck in a Zen kind of way because that's what women like about older men.

 

[2Rocky]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...onor-woman-68-arrested-public-sex-toyboy.html

Ten women to every man, a black market in Viagra, and a 'thriving swingers scene': Welcome to The Villages, Florida, where the elderly residents down Sex on the Square ****tail in 'honor' of woman, 68, arrested for public sex with toyboy

• The Villages in Florida is the world's largest retirement community and has a reputation for naughty behavior
• Peggy Klemm, 68, was arrested for having drunken public sex in the square with toyboy 19 years her junior
• Four days before her arrest she'd been put on probation for drunk driving her golf cart
• Local bar has made a $3.75 Sex on the Square ****tail in honor of Peggy, who is married to wheelchair bound husband
• MailOnline went undercover in The Villages and found a thriving swingers scene, a black market in Viagra
• Dubbed Disney World for old people, there are 10 women to every man and their antics would make Mickey Mouse blush
• Resident Belinda Beard, 62, said: 'All of the women work hard to look good... Turn your back for a minute and someone will try to steal your husband'
• Swimming in cheap booze and sunshine 'every night is Saturday night'
• One of its most infamous residents was a retired biology teacher who called his manhood Mr Midnight

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Turning 35 in just a few months. Girls my age are easier but uglier in my part of town. I've had a very long dry spell of almost half a year because I'm too stubborn to stick it into something that I think is less than a 7. My friend tells me to just stop being so picky and respond to those fatties on OLD...but I just can't.

I don't think I'll ever stop trying to escalate with girls I think are attractive no matter if they're 18 or 40. Statistically however, 90 percent of them are 18 to 25ish .

I've been managing my uncle's restaurant chain since I was about 25 so tail has been semi-consistent. It helped me that the shareholders of all the places I worked for believed that their waitresses should be women (China ). But now that covid hit and I've also decided not to return to the food industry, I guess I'm gonna have to learn some old-school approaching.

Been moonlighting what I believe will be game-changing in the music industry for the past year and covid gave me a real opportunity to spend lots more time on it. The confidence I obtain from it should help me demonstrate value for the younger, hotter chicks that we all desire. Right now, I have no plates and no leads. Ex-plates don't message me back anymore because of whatever. So, this will be quite the trying time for me and a test of endurance. And...I still refuse to try bedding a chick that I'll feel disgusted about post-bang.

I'll escalate with any chick I find cute whenever I have the chance to because not doing so when you're not locked up in a marriage is putting yourself on the path to blue-pilldom. There's lots of times I don't approach or try to escalate, but I do my best not to blame it on some moral rationalization. The cold hard truth is that SMV / confidence wasn't high enough.

So yes, approach, escalate, get physical quickly or slowly, whatever. But, get physical with women. And keep doing it until you're 70. Like @DEEZEDBRAH said, work on your personal conquests and vision, but still approach and escalate whenever you can. Create situations where you're DHVing like crazy, improve your SMV in whatever ways you can - do it religiously, and stay cool as f*ck in a Zen kind of way because that's what women like about older men.

I cannot emphasise the importance of being a resourceful man. There's nothing more high value as a man. You spot opportunities. Meditate. Learn to depersonalize outcomes. Three approaches a day is manageable regardless of how busy a man's life is.

Imho there is no end game. Its a series of catch and release. Much of rp points out the SMP but most are selling some bogus crap program. Most RP is playing house. Many are delusional about gaming their wife. Divorce rape is real.

Herein London, I am a bit baser and biased but I highly recommend that London Model day game. Old school MM is foundational but pushing 40, i doubt you have time to run club game anymore? Much is still on locks. Day game London model approach is ideal for a modern bachelor. I have clubbed a few times in the past year. Shutdown is a real thing. Personally, I prefer the organic nature of the day game model.

I could not get on with Torrero since the faker infield. I enjoy James Tusk and most recently Austin Summers. Figure out what works for you. High energy, calibrated, and enthusiasm works wonders.