What Is The Appropriate Response To My LTR's Recent Behavior?

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With HB8 for the last 9 months. Two months ago, her dog died and she asks to stay at my place because she lives alone and was uncomfortable staying there by herself. HB8 and I essentially live together for two weeks. Exactly two weeks later, she tells me out of the blue that it's inconvenient living at two different places and she's going back to her place. Also tells me like she feels like she's overstaying her welcome. I tell her that's fine, help her pack her stuff, and that's the end of it.

Two weeks ago, logistics and our social schedules make it more convenient for her to stay at my place for two weeks straight, again. Basically, she'd ask if she could stay over for the next couple of nights for X, Y, or Z reason, all of which seemed like justifications to ask to stay the night in advance. Exactly two weeks later, last night, she again tells me it's inconvenient living at two different places and she's going back to her place. Also tells me that she doesn't want to make me feel like she's just assuming she's allowed to stay the night whenever she wants. I tell her that's fine. I was leaving work at the time, so I went home, packed her stuff, and took it to her house while she was at work (she knew I was going to do this and did not object).

She calls me after work to thank me for taking her stuff back, and tells me that she feels bad for how things went earlier. I told her that there's a lot of uncertainty around our schedules over the next couple of months, so we should go back to the way things were before her dog died and that we should only hang out twice a week like before. That way there's no inconvenience with living at two different places, and she won't have to worry about whether she's overstaying her welcome. We talk about other stuff for a brief moment, and then get off the phone.

She calls me a few hours later before she goes to bed that night to say that she's thought a lot about what we talked about, and she's grateful that I'm being attentive to her needs. She says that she's been feeling spread too thin lately and hasn't been taking care of herself. She then says that I'm the most amazing man she's ever met, and that she feels so proud to be my girl. I don't say much in response, but I thank her for her compliments. She gets off the phone, and I go to bed.

This morning, she sends a text saying pretty much the same things she said on the phone the night before, that I'm the greatest man she's ever met and she feels blessed to be my girl. I respond with, "Thank you. Keep your chin up today and please drive safely (she drives for work)." That's all so far.

I believe her complaint that it's inconvenient living at two different places and her fears that she's overstaying her welcome are frankly bullsh*t, and obscure a deeper problem. I'm particularly put off at her saying she's spread too thin lately and hasn't been taking care of herself, because that sounds to me like her hamster is detecting either beta behaviors on my part or it's squeaking because we've been spending too much time together and there's no mystery anymore. I've been trying to think of beta behaviors I've been doing, and the only one that comes to mind is that I've been too available.

We've been talking about marriage, but I don't think that's a good idea after all this. She's lived with men before, but two weeks with me is a problem? Moreover, I follow the Ryan Gosling Rule, and I don't think she'd at all complain about living at two different places if the other place she was living at was Ryan Gosling's house.

She'll probably call me tonight and ask if everything is okay because I've been distant. I've been thinking about doing one or more of the following things, and would like this Forum's communal knowledge to help me out on that:

1.) Run a variant of Heartiste's Dread Game, pretend like nothing is wrong, but slowly withdraw my time and attention. She has a lot of work and social commitments coming up over the next couple weeks, so I can easily get out of spending time with her by saying she's really busy, I'm not, and I want to take time off from work and everything to relax and spend time alone. For what it's worth, our hangouts will be less than twice a week until I feel like she's pursuing me again. I could also cut hangouts short, or start flaking. I'm particularly in favor of flaking because it's strongly associated with aloofness and indifference.

2.) Pretend like nothing is wrong and hang out with her two times a week (max), just like before, and ignore these issues because they're nothingburgers and I'm overthinking things.

3.) Confront her and tell her that I don't believe her smoke screens of being inconvenienced or feeling like she's overstaying her welcome, so she can either tell me what's really going on in her mind after we essentially live together for two weeks, or we should recognize this for the red flag that it is (given her history of living with other men) and either stop talking about marriage or end it altogether.

4.) Dump her and find someone new.

5.) None of the above, because my Game is weak.

Thank you in advance.
 
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With HB8 for the last 9 months. Two months ago, her dog died and she asks to stay at my place because she lives alone and was uncomfortable staying there by herself. HB8 and I essentially live together for two weeks. Exactly two weeks later, she tells me out of the blue that it's inconvenient living at two different places and she's going back to her place. Also tells me like she feels like she's overstaying her welcome. I tell her that's fine, help her pack her stuff, and that's the end of it.

Two weeks ago, logistics and our social schedules make it more convenient for her to stay at my place for two weeks straight, again. Basically, she'd ask if she could stay over for the next couple of nights for X, Y, or Z reason, all of which seemed like justifications to ask to stay the night in advance. Exactly two weeks later, last night, she again tells me it's inconvenient living at two different places and she's going back to her place. Also tells me that she doesn't want to make me feel like she's just assuming she's allowed to stay the night whenever she wants. I tell her that's fine. I was leaving work at the time, so I went home, packed her stuff, and took it to her house while she was at work (she knew I was going to do this and did not object).

She calls me after work to thank me for taking her stuff back, and tells me that she feels bad for how things went earlier. I told her that there's a lot of uncertainty around our schedules over the next couple of months, so we should go back to the way things were before her dog died and that we should only hang out twice a week like before. That way there's no inconvenience with living at two different places, and she won't have to worry about whether she's overstaying her welcome. We talk about other stuff for a brief moment, and then get off the phone.

She calls me a few hours later before she goes to bed that night to say that she's thought a lot about what we talked about, and she's grateful that I'm being attentive to her needs. She says that she's been feeling spread too thin lately and hasn't been taking care of herself. She then says that I'm the most amazing man she's ever met, and that she feels so proud to be my girl. I don't say much in response, but I thank her for her compliments. She gets off the phone, and I go to bed.

This morning, she sends a text saying pretty much the same things she said on the phone the night before, that I'm the greatest man she's ever met and she feels blessed to be my girl. I respond with, "Thank you. Keep your chin up today and please drive safely (she drives for work)." That's all so far.

I believe her complaint that it's inconvenient living at two different places and her fears that she's overstaying her welcome are frankly bullsh*t, and obscure a deeper problem. I'm particularly put off at her saying she's spread too thin lately and hasn't been taking care of herself, because that sounds to me like her hamster is detecting either beta behaviors on my part or it's squeaking because we've been spending too much time together and there's no mystery anymore. I've been trying to think of beta behaviors I've been doing, and the only one that comes to mind is that I've been too available.

We've been talking about marriage, but I don't think that's a good idea after all this. She's lived with men before, but two weeks with me is a problem? Moreover, I follow the Ryan Gosling Rule, and I don't think she'd at all complain about living at two different places if the other place she was living at was Ryan Gosling's house.

She'll probably call me tonight and ask if everything is okay because I've been distant. I've been thinking about doing one or more of the following things, and would like this Forum's communal knowledge to help me out on that:

1.) Run a variant of Heartiste's Dread Game, pretend like nothing is wrong, but slowly withdraw my time and attention. She has a lot of work and social commitments coming up over the next couple weeks, so I can easily get out of spending time with her by saying she's really busy, I'm not, and I want to take time off from work and everything to relax and spend time alone. For what it's worth, our hangouts will be less than twice a week until I feel like she's pursuing me again. I could also cut hangouts short, or start flaking. I'm particularly in favor of flaking because it's strongly associated with aloofness and indifference.

2.) Pretend like nothing is wrong and hang out with her two times a week (max), just like before, and ignore these issues because they're nothingburgers and I'm overthinking things.

3.) Confront her and tell her that I don't believe her smoke screens of being inconvenienced or feeling like she's overstaying her welcome, so she can either tell me what's really going on in her mind after we essentially live together for two weeks, or we should recognize this for the red flag that it is (given her history of living with other men) and either stop talking about marriage or end it altogether.

4.) Dump her and find someone new.

5.) None of the above, because my Game is weak.

Thank you in advance.
She thanks you for being decent, says she's proud to be your girl and all you took from that is that she said she feels spread thin, and you are now considering distancing yourself and/or creating dread?

I don't get it. Is she a nasty person or doing something that's upsetting you, other than saying that you're basically a great guy and that she appreciates it?

Whose hamster is spinning here? Yours. Just continue as is unless and until you have an actual reason to change course.
 

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she wants to move in with you is my guess

read between the lines

women communicate covertly
I initially thought this was what she was saying, but I've told her in no uncertain terms that I will never live with a woman unless and until we're married.
 

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Agreeing with midnightcity. I think she was hoping you would ask her to move in.

Are you exclusive with her?

-Augustus-
 

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Dude, I read your text carefully. What I would take out of it to tell is, first of all, be a little more human towards this girl. Right now, you seem like a redpill robot trying to keep the manly behaviour in tact every second and being cold and stoic and all that. Giving warmth does not make you less manly, it makes you more caressing and she will feel that.

Stop behaving so "by the textbook of red pill". This girl is a bit insecure. Go calm her insecurities down, she seems like a nice girl. Don't start seeing beta ghosts all over the place. She tells you she's proud to be your girl, tell her you're proud to have a girl like her by your side. Show some emotions, dude, they're human LOL
 
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Dude, I read your text carefully. What I would take out of it to tell is, first of all, be a little more human towards this girl. Right now, you seem like a redpill robot trying to keep the manly behaviour in tact every second and being cold and stoic and all that. Giving warmth does not make you less manly, it makes you more caressing and she will feel that.

Stop behaving so "by the textbook of red pill". This girl is a bit insecure. Go calm her insecurities down, she seems like a nice girl. Don't start seeing beta ghosts all over the place. She tells you she's proud to be your girl, tell her you're proud to have a girl like her by your side. Show some emotions, dude, they're human LOL
Ordinarily, I'd say you were spot-on. My gf does call me Mr. Impossible To Read because I sometimes take being aloof and indifferent to an extreme. But I specifically told her a couple of times, without her asking, that she wasn't overstaying her welcome and that I really enjoyed having her around. And that wasn't Game, either, because I sincerely meant it.

Does that change your advice? No worries if it doesn't, I still think what you wrote has a lot of truth and is typical behavior for me.
 

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Dude, I read your text carefully. What I would take out of it to tell is, first of all, be a little more human towards this girl. Right now, you seem like a redpill robot trying to keep the manly behaviour in tact every second and being cold and stoic and all that. Giving warmth does not make you less manly, it makes you more caressing and she will feel that.

Stop behaving so "by the textbook of red pill". This girl is a bit insecure. Go calm her insecurities down, she seems like a nice girl. Don't start seeing beta ghosts all over the place. She tells you she's proud to be your girl, tell her you're proud to have a girl like her by your side. Show some emotions, dude, they're human LOL
Totally agree with @lizardking82. Plus, give her some space as she has asked. Any good man would. F*uck, there were times in my LTR I was DYING for some space. We all need it. Don't overthink crap too much. How would James Bond react to this? Start pulling out the PUA-Game Playing Manual? Doubtful. As Lizardking82 said, lighten up a bit. F*uck, read her texts again. How much reassurance do you need?? The point you're missing is that maybe she DOES feel spread too thin. Back off a bit but knock off the PUA/Game Playing 101 bulls*hit.

Relationships ebb and flow. Women are like waves. When they hit a lull or "down" in their wave, most guys get all freaked out. Just chill, she'l be back if you don't push.
 

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Ordinarily, I'd say you were spot-on. My gf does call me Mr. Impossible To Read because I sometimes take being aloof and indifferent to an extreme. But I specifically told her a couple of times, without her asking, that she wasn't overstaying her welcome and that I really enjoyed having her around. And that wasn't Game, either, because I sincerely meant it.

Does that change your advice? No worries if it doesn't, I still think what you wrote has a lot of truth and is typical behavior for me.
I said I read your text carefully and telling her a couple of times that she is not overstaying her welcome and that you enjoyed having her around is OK, but you're not spoiling this girl enough. She seems to be behaving well, seems like a respectful girl towards so why not spoil her a bit? Call her tomorrow and tell her you like caressing her face and seeing her smile after that, typa thing. Getting romantic once in a while does no harm, it just shows your softer side and DJs, in general, have a softer side and are not afraid to show it.

Be strong when it's needed, be soft occasionally. It's the kind of mix that makes them fall and stay.
 

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Women communicate covertly, you have to understand what she is actually saying. If I had to guess, she is suffering from one thing. It is the feeling that causes much strife in young blossoming relationships.

Uncertainty! @BeExcellent Said it at one point and I think this is a great example of it. It is a dangerous place to exist for long.

"Overstayed her welcome at two weeks" = she doesn't feel comfortable at your place. Something is happening where she doesn't feel welcome.

"Thank you for taking back my stuff" = what the fvck is going on? This guy gives me the boot and doesn't give a rat's azz.

You should decide if you want to continue with this woman for her sake. It sounds like she is deeply invested and isn't feeling your love. Do you fvck her the same way as the first time? Do you guys still go do fun things? Do you tell her you care about her?

In my experience, when a woman feels like an uncertain, you get these kind of behaviors. Have you done anything to reassure her, or are you sticking to the red pill handbook?
 

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This situation hits me oddly. It seems like a great deal of effort on her part to move in and move out of your place like that, even though it's not really moving in and moving out. Strikes me as fishing for living together maybe or creation of drama. Perhaps it's rooted in uncertainty...this situation is a head scratcher to me.

My vote is for #2, that you are overthinking & just keep going as though it's no big deal...but you have the real time Intel not us.

How's everything else? If everything else is doing OK then perhaps you are making a problem where there isn't one.
 

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I have been in this situation before. Girl staying regularly at my place but not 'living there'. When she brought up 'overstaying her welcome' I would always say. "Trust me, I would have no trouble showing you the door and telling you not to let it hit ya where the Good Lord split ya if you give me a reason to. I am not shy, in case you haven't noticed. And as I shake the magic 8 ball right now I don't anticipate any problems. So please don't worry about it".
 
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