What is masculinity and femininity

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Originally posted by AverageFC
would you believe that someone told me that men being overly feminine had nothing to do with them being homosexual?
Stereotypically homosexual behaviors are learned, either from a lack of a strong masculine figure as a child or from adopting the gay persona as an adult.

The same process is true for masculinity; it either learned from fathers or masculine figures in childhood or, in the case of this site, consciously adopted and internalized.

Just as not all gay men are the stereotypical woman wannabe (because they haven't picked up or adopted the stereotypical behaviors), it is therefore entirely possible that a heterosexual man can fail to learn masculinity, for whatever reason, and thereby end up feminized.
 

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Originally posted by Virtú
Stereotypically homosexual behaviors are learned, either from a lack of a strong masculine figure as a child or from adopting the gay persona as an adult.

The same process is true for masculinity; it either learned from fathers or masculine figures in childhood or, in the case of this site, consciously adopted and internalized.
While that may be true for some people, it is also possible to possess those behaviors genetically. I don't want to debate on this because I don't have any proof, and neither do you, so we would basically end up philosophing. This was just to let you know that there are other possibilities.

Nocturnal: I answered your "yin" dilemma in my previous post. I think that there is a possibility to be more masculine than feminine in some situations, and vice versa. Your overall masculinity is then calculated as the average amount of masculinity that you express in a day-to-day basis.

Originally posted by Nocturnal
Is anyone else as reluctant as I to simply accept the stereotypes of "what a man is" for what they are?
Why not accept them?
 

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Originally posted by Nocturnal
Is anyone else as reluctant as I to simply accept the stereotypes of "what a man is" for what they are?
Unless you are the King, emperior or some dictorial type postion, when it comes to society it really doesnt matter what you feel. You can do whatever you want but you will be labeled with whatever tag society deems you should have for your behaviour.

Think of it like this, most people dont "feel" differently mentally at 28 then you did at 18, but if you continue to act the same way you did at 18, even though your behaviour was acceptable at 18, if you try it at 28 you will be deemed by "society" as "immature". You will reap all the curses, that one who is deemed immature gets.

So you can continue at act how you "feel" and you will wonder why no "woman" wants to get with you, and it's simple: according to what "society" deems as masculine behaviour you dont exhibit in any shape, way or fashion.

So have fun playing playstation all day long in your momma's basement!
 

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But how can you take society's word for it when society is framing AFC behaviour left and right as what an ideal man would be like? Not a "man" man, but the right kind of man. Doesn't that take away from its credibility when you're looking at what is really deemed masculine? Isn't masculinity determined more biologically and less socially? If not, why do AFC images reign supreme as the men around the globe fail as men on a daily basis?

Howcome men labeled as "*******s" have at least mildly decent success with women in comparison to the ideal man?

Just some issues of curiousity... I find this to be a very interesting topic.
 

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Originally posted by Nocturnal
But how can you take society's word for it when society is framing AFC behaviour left and right as what an ideal man would be like? Not a "man" man, but the right kind of man. Doesn't that take away from its credibility when you're looking at what is really deemed masculine? Isn't masculinity determined more biologically and less socially? If not, why do AFC images reign supreme as the men around the globe fail as men on a daily basis?

Howcome men labeled as "*******s" have at least mildly decent success with women in comparison to the ideal man?

Just some issues of curiousity... I find this to be a very interesting topic.
Afc behaviour is not "universally" spread as the ideal image of what a man should be. For every image in the media of an afc as the ideal man, there are other images of what a man is. The medis shows you one thing, but normal everyday society shows you another.

Most of us have seen enough "MEN" to "know" what a man should be. To feel better about ourselves most of us will only focus on the Afc image in the media, instead of the other image in media of a real man.

Being an afc or what I like to say as plain up "chicken hearted man", is a whole lot easier then being a "Man". Being an afc requires little to no control of one's spirit, while being a "man" requires great control.

It's ez to act wild, and reckless, but those are behaviors only acceptable for children; when a man does it, you are immature, but it is ez.

"Men" are those who learn to control their spirits, sure they still feel the same emotions as an afc, but they control their reactions to those feeling, while an afc just goes for it.

A "man" knows that no matter how one may feel certain actions are just "not acceptable", while an afc may know but just refuse to control his spirit.

An afc will feel funny about buying a complete stranger a drink but his excitment over her beauty terminates any control he may have to do the sensible things, and he will then make an "excuse" to justify it later.

A "man" will only buy a drink if he really wants too. If he doesn't he wont.

To me the major difference from boys, and afc's to a "Man" is control. The ability to control one's spirit is essential into being a "Man" and the essence of maturity.
 

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Originally posted by Nocturnal
But how can you take society's word for it when society is framing AFC behaviour left and right as what an ideal man would be like? Not a "man" man, but the right kind of man. Doesn't that take away from its credibility when you're looking at what is really deemed masculine? Isn't masculinity determined more biologically and less socially? If not, why do AFC images reign supreme as the men around the globe fail as men on a daily basis?

Howcome men labeled as "*******s" have at least mildly decent success with women in comparison to the ideal man?

Just some issues of curiousity... I find this to be a very interesting topic.
If you want to be a man, you need masculine qualities like people talked about in this post and you need to be a provider and protector, meaning you need money and power which is relative depending on the girl...As far as society, if you have your sh1t right, you shouldnt worry about them too much, and in this society, getting your sh1t right is having money, which leads into providing...If you have money, you can do whatever...For example, my friends brother is rich as hell, and hes in his late 20's, has girls, etc...But on the weekends he plays Halo with his friends nonstop...Noone can say sh1t to him, cause he pays for the whole house and pays all the bills, and when he needs to handle sh1t, he handles it....
 

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Masculinity is your 'maleness', such as 'femaleness' is to the essence of being female.

The more 'maleness' you display, the more a female having 'femaleness' will be attracted to you. This is the 'Yin/Yang' balance you speak of.

Whoever came up with the Yin/Yang balance of things is wrong. Yin and Yang refers to good and evil, not balance in nature.

So from now on, refer to it as the 'polarity balance'. The greater the polarity, the stronger the attraction, and thus the more balanced. This all happens on the bilogical/primitive level. It creates a yearning for that other person which the polarity is strong with. The conscience level is the ego.

If you do not threaten the ego, and the biological impulse in that person to 'get' with you is strong (meaning the polarity is strong). Depending on what is going on in their life or situation, it's only a matter of convenience and timing.

Being male isn't all about looks, though it has alot to do with it. It's also in gestures. Some females can be very dominate in terms of actions, but look very female. They have some 'male' features, taking from their overall 'femaleness'.

A good example is Courtney Cox and David Arquette. She has some 'male' qualities in her looks - strong jawline/cheekbones, while he exhibits more feminine features. In other words, she has more 'maleness' than he does, but it works out because it balances each other out. He gets what he's lacking in 'maleness' from her, and she gets what's lacking in 'femaleness' from him.

Take a look at couples you know where the bond is very strong. Determine the 'maleness' and 'femaleness' of each both in looks and actions. They should balance each other out pretty well. It's pretty amazing when you think about it.
 

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Royal Elite:

Originally posted by Royal Elite
Afc behaviour is not "universally" spread as the ideal image of what a man should be. For every image in the media of an afc as the ideal man, there are other images of what a man is. The medis shows you one thing, but normal everyday society shows you another.
I can see this as a reasonable approach. I could still see some AFCs getting caught up in what they might think to be something like nobility when it comes to almost worshipping a woman though. In that case, I guess there isn't a perfect place you can distinguish that would give you a simple answer to what masculinity is. I suppose the best thing to do is compare observations with personal experiences.

Originally posted by Royal Elite
To me the major difference from boys, and afc's to a "Man" is control. The ability to control one's spirit is essential into being a "Man" and the essence of maturity.
So are you saying that things like AFC behaviors are simply emotions that the individual doesn't want to control, even though he's aware of the negative consequences? Or is there an element of ignorance?


TheInfamousCBear:

Originally posted by TheInfamousCBear
If you want to be a man, you need masculine qualities like people talked about in this post and you need to be a provider and protector, meaning you need money and power which is relative depending on the girl...As far as society, if you have your sh1t right, you shouldnt worry about them too much, and in this society, getting your sh1t right is having money, which leads into providing...
If you're saying all it takes is enough money to "provide" for women, then I definitely wouldn't validate that as a statement which is true in all/most cases.

tmpgstx: I guess I agree with you at least on some level. It seems a little overly-theoretical for me to accept flat out though.

Originally posted by tmpgstx
The more 'maleness' you display, the more a female having 'femaleness' will be attracted to you. This is the 'Yin/Yang' balance you speak of.

Whoever came up with the Yin/Yang balance of things is wrong. Yin and Yang refers to good and evil, not balance in nature.
Yin and yang is a concept directly from China, and is traditionally used in the context of balance in nature like you say. It's not something people over here in the west made up though.
 

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Originally posted by Nocturnal
Royal Elite:
So are you saying that things like AFC behaviors are simply emotions that the individual doesn't want to control, even though he's aware of the negative consequences? Or is there an element of ignorance?
Ignorance has nothing to do with why they choose not to conquer their emotions even though they should, it's about their inability because lack of effort.

Think of it like this, even though you know you should not hesitate when it comes to wome do you still do it?

Do you always ask for a girl phone number even though that is the reason you went to ask her anyway?

Knowing you should learn to control your emotional state has nothing to do with actually doing it. It's ez to just be and let your emotions take you where ever they take you, but it takes effort to learn to control them.

Soildiers go through boot camp to learn how to control themselves, because you can not think straight once your emotions start to run away with you. Humans beings are slave to emotions once they are left unrestrained (think rage, depressions, and fear).

The root of most of the people here problems after they have been here for a while is their inability to get their emotions under control, the biggest usually "fear" so they come back here time and time again with the same problem.
 

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Don't confuse controlling your emotions with suppressing them.

"Harness" would be a far better word, to use your emotions as fuel for action - the difference between an atomic bomb and a nuclear reactor.
 

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Originally posted by Virtú
Don't confuse controlling your emotions with suppressing them.

"Harness" would be a far better word, to use your emotions as fuel for action - the difference between an atomic bomb and a nuclear reactor.
No I mean surpress, become the master of and control them.

No human being will ever truly be "emotionless" so I dont mean to get rid of them. But you and only you are in control of how you react to your emotions.

One person see a beautiful woman and "fear" cause him to stare, and hope, and ultimately regret because he will never approach, while another will feel the same fear, and use his mental control and surpress it where it will have no bearings on his next actions.

Logic should be what guides your life, in ways to cause postive emotional states, but if you let emotions guide you you usually do illogical things which usually cause a negative emotional state.

If you cant control your emotional state as a Man, you are just a boy (mentally) in a fully mature body, and boys tremble in front of women while women respect and look up to Men.
 

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Originally posted by Royal Elite
No I mean surpress, become the master of and control them

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Logic should be what guides your life, in ways to cause postive emotional states, but if you let emotions guide you you usually do illogical things which usually cause a negative emotional state.
I think you are both right, but they key is which emotions rule you and which ones do you rule in turn. That's why I wrote this: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=630089 :)
 

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The cart before the horse syndrome....

Many take an OUTSIDE look in and say

"Gee, what qualities does a man possess."

And then copy them.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

You say...

"I am man, these qualities are merely the RESULT of who I am. They are not the PIECES of who I am."


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If you build a house, simplistic as the analogy might be, rock, brick, stone, wood, and the like, aren't all that thrilling, and can build any house in the country. However, when the pieces are combined just perfectly, they can create a masterpiece or a tragedy. This is why builders focus on what they WANT first, the inside part, the vision, THEN get the supplies as needed. The bricks, etc, are useless as separate pieces and are as good as a fallen log in the woods. However, when put into a grandvision, they truly make a beautiful structure.


It's also why most architects make more money than contruction workers, as do developers. A RE developer, the guy who knows to put the pieces in play, such as a trump, gets more than his builders and designers do.

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By virtue of being male that's all you need, and you need to focus on the INNER FEELINGS you have, not the external beliefs. Meditation and quiet thought help ALOT with this. I've found life much better since cutting back on outside noise like too much paid cable, garbage newspapers, and trash magazines.


The equation is balanced with



MAN/MALENESS versus External Characteristics Qualities.



You define qualities, but acting is not doing or being. Practicing them might help, but you're already emboldened with the qualities within.


Hormones and chemicals of the body CONTAIN the behaviors you seek to create by means of practice. Why do it the hard way? I'd suggest a "T Theory" follow up, OR reading "Heroes, Rogues, and Lovers," and learn HOW hormones effect each sex.


If our cells would just lingering in a pool of liquid, there's no way to differentiate WHAT would define the sex. How would they interact? Genetics and hormones. Things that effect masculinity is...

*Family life - mother/father relationship
*Levels of testosterone inherited at birth.
*Diet = presence of estrogens in plants or chemicals from pesticides can raise artificial estrogen levels.
*Bodyfat levels - more fat = more estrogen production
*Activity.
*Age.

Psychologically, much of this will remain repressed if you artificially believe things about yourself that aren't true...many people still live as shadows of themselves. Or, they merely stick with what they hear around themselves, rather than listen to their "internal voice."



I would say "acting" it is not "being or doing" it. Consciously acting confident, by displaying confident actions, isn't confidence, because you're COMPELLED to be confident for external reasons. If you get nudged wrong at a bar, and think "I must be confident and show I"m a man so therefore I must act and show my toughness," you're not confident, because the reason you do it is external. It isn't for you, it wasn't from within.


I think you realize about decisiveness is that...we make decisions quick, we just use tons of over-rationalization to HELP justify our decision, even if we were sold at first. You don't need a reason, because any reason can be broken. Without reason, nothing can be broken. Reason is merely the result of the ego.


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Cells come and go. Every 7 years, you're not the same person. You've been recycled. Even now, you're not the same person, some cells are dying, some are being born. If you think about it, you're a blur. With so much constant change in the body, cells are falling off the whole time. So what piece of you is even solid?


None. Change IS the constant. The only time you're not changing is when you're body is lifeless and no cells grow or die, they're lifeless and stiff.


The same applies to emotions. People want to believe emotions are to be embraced and acted upon, but I can bet 100$ right now, you don't remember even 10% of the feelings you had YESTERDAY. You might know what occurred, but you can rarely know what you felt. With that in mind, it becomes obvious, that like cells, emotions pass, too. Sure, feel them, but you don't HAVE to react. You don't. You CHOOSE to, and that's the different. People who are super emotional or let things piss them off have no personal power yet because they let OTHER THINGS control their states. If they PU bad one night, they put it on them. As if that is some result of some equation, and their bad PU is a wrong answer. BEEP, WRONG.

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It's equally possible that a man DOES NOT fear his emotions. Why? A man does what he wants. If he says I love you, he's honest in doing so and not afraid of being hurt, because HE'S DOING WHAT HE WANTS. If a man approaches a girl, he does so knowing that even asking for her phone number displayed INTEREST, so how does waiting even 3 days SHOW you're not interested?


A man doesn't fear these things. If you're trying to pick up super hott chicks, and doing so many things against who you are and what you feel, you're doing it for the ego, not for you. I've dated a few complex girls over the years, who were into only partying with me and sexing it up, they'd come late at night, never stay for breakfast, and do the date thing b/c they wanted freedom. Fine by me. But despite their looks and the great connection, it wasn't what I wanted. I care not for what I appear to be, only what I want and what I get. You can't ignore your values and inner desires for the sake of the ego...for the sake of pacifying some need that can't ever be satisfied.


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Male vs Female


Simply define what you want of a woman, and what you bring to the table and don't compromise. If you know you're going to be the househusband and treat her well, then its only right to expect her to cook and clean. Chivalry was a 2 way street. Men treated women well b/c women treated men well. Nowadays, women want

*a well off guy
*well groomed
*masculine, yet sensitive [metrosexual or gay?]
*fit, in good shape
*powerful


Yet in return for such things, and diamond rings, what do they provide BESIDES their body and a job?


You know why it's hard for people to define ROLES and masculine feminine relationships? Because it's being ripped apart....


If you're with a woman, and the only real thing that you have in common is screwing, then the basis of a relationship which was MUTUAL INTERDEPENCE AND INTEREST has been washed away...Relationships were founded based on opposite polarities. Partnerships, are too. Strengthi is made by 2 opposites attracting. However...if a girl duplicates all you do...what's left? No wonder people see no point...women are being trained to be men...




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My psychologist had always said that the path towards change lay in acting, that you consciously - ego-ly - act something until it becomes automatic.

On the surface it makes sense, but even before I found this site, I knew it didn't work that way - I recognized the potential for conflict between ego and true self right from the beginning ... and my weak, lazy, and fearful ego didn't want to put itself through that, forcing itself to do things that some part of me didn't/doesn't want to do.

Internalization comes before externalization, and definitely before actualization.

I've mentioned this reversal to him, but he says that it's impossible, that you can't internalize an archetype as big as the DJ alpha male would have to be in one bite, much less something that isn't supported by reality. I must admit that my skeptical side also believes this.

However, I've also wondered how can you internalize something without involving the ego? I mean just sitting around waiting to spontaneously turn into a DJ alpha male would be a monumental waste of time.

Distinguishing between the ego and the true self in the vast, deep, and muddy waters of the mind is no easy task. I'd be willing to bet that the few who actually know what they're looking for would not be able to recognize it when they found it.
 

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Re: Re:

Originally posted by A-Unit
The cart before the horse syndrome....

Many take an OUTSIDE look in and say

"Gee, what qualities does a man possess."

And then copy them.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

You say...

"I am man, these qualities are merely the RESULT of who I am. They are not the PIECES of who I am."

I see where you're coming from very clearly. But you're assuming that the qualities one possesses are easily recognizable and that they have not been supressed for a long time. If they have been, or if they are vaguely present, wouldn't that make it harder to recognize which qualities have been learned and which are natural?

Look at the effects of having a consumer society. People feel good when they buy something. Why? Conditioning. Someone from a more traditional society would hardly feel the same way about purchasing.

Can we not create almost "natural" feelings in people if we condition them well enough? If they are so far gone, how to they differentiate between what is natural and what is not simply by looking into themselves?



Originally posted by Virtú
Internalization comes before externalization, and definitely before actualization.

I've mentioned this reversal to him, but he says that it's impossible, that you can't internalize an archetype as big as the DJ alpha male would have to be in one bite, much less something that isn't supported by reality. I must admit that my skeptical side also believes this.
This is an excellent point actually. While I don't think it is possible to internalize it all as quickly as you could something on a much smaller scale, I think the mindset can grow into people and it will just take some time. In addition, they can remember the basic mindset but apply it piece by piece, all the while focusing on the core, fundamental stuff, be it broad or not.
 
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I see where you're coming from very clearly. But you're assuming that the qualities one possesses are easily recognizable and that they have not been supressed for a long time. If they have been, or if they are vaguely present, wouldn't that make it harder to recognize which qualities have been learned and which are natural?

Whether they're suppressed or not, they still exist. Most have ALLOWED them to be suppressed by giving into the whims of everybody but themselves. It's not easy getting down to the core of who you are, and people will want to place *their emotional debts* on you, but you must thrust them off.


You can do 2 things...


1. Get back to the natural, traditional way.
2. Work on the external traits, which is a process of intellectualization and practice.


Personally I've gone route 1. More activity, little to NO Tv. Few media type shyt. I've stopped all forms of junk that forces down fake ideals, fake images, false beliefs, and false everything. The whole thing is a sham meant to entice the ego through agrandizement of "things", when purity comes from within, yet you're constantly told you're *without*.


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What works most dating gurus wouldn't even point out. They're trying to feed your MIND, instead of FEEING YOUR EXPERIENCE and YOUR BODY. Think about it...even if C&F, SS, or anything else SOUNDS GOOD, you can't say anything about it until you've experienced it.


Why do you care about what you create in other people?


That statement reveals alot about the mentality of thinking on the board. I'm not harping on it, but you can't control what another person thinks. How often have you done something you found humorous, or on accident, and the person got mad? MANY


The person's reaction to something is their own choice. Most things can't get me upset b/c it's a personal choice I make, just like us guys make a personal choice when to feel and not to feel. Sure, we might get hot and bothered over a chick, but does that mean you gaga over her and profess your love when you fully well know she doesn't the feel the same??


SS tries to do this. The belief that you can impact another person. Yes, words, states, all have their place, but its unexpected as to how they work. In this funny thing called love, dating, romance, sex, you're in it for you. You're in it to find happiness. To find someone or some people, who have no quarms about being flexible.


Why do you even want to bother? While you're trying manipulate, coax, or seduce someone, another person who would so willingly just walked about, or tried phoning you?? I say this, because it's true. I've been there. Most of us have.


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Deep down, MOST guys know what's going. What's going wrong and what's going right. It's the MIND that leads 1 astray. The mind will always doubt because it's a never-ending Q&A machine. Even today you think you have an answer, as you become enlightened, you ask greater questions. The glut of dating crap is intellectual. Guys would behoove themselves well if they...


# Only sought women they truly liked. Part of the problem here is, most guys approach attractive girls, but don't like their personalities and have little respect for the sex. Even if you portray a positive exterior, your negative interior shines through and displays itself as insecure, fearful, sketchy, withdrawn, condescending, arrogant, self-righteous, disrespectful, and a host of other negative feelings associated with it.


Your gut instinct is very strong and very right. Most times, we make good decisions in the blink of an eye, and spend the rest of the time trying to build up or break down the decision. Decisive action is knowing you made the decision and sticking to it, no questions asked. Questions kill.

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Figaments of the imagination. Envision yourself and the life you want, that's it. Forget the archetype of a DJ alpha male. There's no convention in June where we get together, and I've never felt the "warm fuzzies" here as if all guys would band together and treat each other respectfully. Some might, others wouldn't. Each guy has a different opinion, and as far as it goes, the only place it exists is your mind.


The problem with archetypes is that you may create an outlandish view of reality purely from fantasy. Guys come here "thinking" more success is being had, when no one really knows. The info is verified either. Trust yourself. Take some time to meditate. To control your thoughts and find your gut feelings.


As said before, read what you can from the bible. There's good bits of advice, then go seek some true books. I've read alot of the dating stuff out there, and yeah, it's fun. But until you learn to just be male, be human, enjoy life, it's all useless. It's like trying to learn really cool marketing techniques, when your business still sucks. Or learning that you can do killer moves on your skis, without even knowing how to stop, or having fun with skiing. You can't enjoy the advanced stages of anything, until you enjoy the basics.


And to many, who want the quick lay, it can be had. Get a stripper or hooker. Find a cheap bytch at a party. Whatever. They're out there. You needn't go through a long journey of self introspection to do what nature has always intended you to do. It boggles my mind when a guy would subjugate his sense of self worth and value, for a cheap trick. The beauty in women is the flamboyant, but when she's your's. If she's an open hoe, and she's public about her private shyt, then she has no sense of self-respect or privacy, and anything she'd do with you, she'd do with the next guy, and the 1 before you.


I'm ranting, but there's a virus inside the mindset of many men.


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If you want to change, you need experiences, not intellectual clutter. Reading helps, but you can either accept what's written or not. You're no different a person by reading, only through experiences. You can experience love, and depending on that experience, it will generally dictate your view on it going forward.


That's why it's said to EXPERIENCE the process of approaching. It changes you, from the inside out. Everything said on these boards could be entirely true or false, but until you see through your own 2 eyes, you'll never know. It'll never be truth to you.


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The Ego never gets enough importance on this site. And when it does, its get shot down for being too complex or not important. It's of the utmost importance, because most people's pain comes from having to satisfy the short-term needs and desires of a voice that's constantly negative, constantly demanding.


The Ego will always stand in your way, and if you realize that and push through when it's tough, you might just turn it around.

Envision it being a small negative person...becoming smaller....then blowing it away. Or even shooting it with a gun. When you mentally conquer it, you can physically conquer it.




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Originally posted by A-Unit
If you want to change, you need experiences, not intellectual clutter. Reading helps, but you can either accept what's written or not. You're no different a person by reading, only through experiences. You can experience love, and depending on that experience, it will generally dictate your view on it going forward.
I'm starting to think that not only is this the way to general self improvement, but also to internalizing masculinity.

When we leave our comfort zones, what do we have but feelings? Even if some of them are conditioned, and negative, they are right out in the open for us to consider and respond to.

As for whether this site is helpful or not, honestly, I've learned more from writing posts than I will ever learn from all of sosuave. Of course, I had to get ideas from somewhere. That's what the website is good for... brainstorming. It is so much easier to internalize something when you are thinking it through step by step and developing it yourself. Then it becomes part of what you believe, and you understand yourself better.

Way to go A-Unit, I can tell you're on the right track (the one I've been trying to find myself).
 

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When we leave our comfort zones, what do we have but feelings? Even if some of them are conditioned, and negative, they are right out in the open for us to consider and respond to.

2 Things you laid out.:


First, the natural condition for all human beings is 'comfort'. We seek to be comfortable, because our internal make-up desires comfort, stability, and equilibrium. This balance enables survival, but not necessarily LIFE, which we are all capable of. Remember, outside of all species, humans, with conscious thought and imagination have the ability to do more than just survive, even though our CORE make up is just that survival.


And secondly, the Ego is that comfort factor that psychologically makes it more painful. It questions. It doubts. It thinks. It analyzes. It's like a radar that assesses situations like they're strategic missions.


*Always push the comfort zone.
*Always realize that equilibrium = no growth.
*Always realize your body is growing, so should your mind.
*That perception is NOT real.
*Nothing lasts.



One clarification that should be regarding this site....


It's almost 99% self-improvement with just a dash of how to deal with women. Self improvement doesn't get women. Self improvement doesn't even get you more life. Self AWARENESS and awareness in general leads to success. As far as I'm concerned most people lead lives asleep. They sleep through everything but getting so consumed in routines of sports, of work, of tv, of games, of bars, clubs, relationships, that smelling the roses never crosses their minds. THAT's an EGO comfort zone. And 1 day you wake up, and you're girl leaves you, your health is gone, you have poor finances, your laid off from your job, or some other darn thing and it's blamed on EVERYBODY else but themselves. Why is that?


I've gained great insights from pimphop , which I think is probably the most on the money site with the right attitude. A site can't be all things to all people. I do believe that the chase for a harem of women in just an exercise in futility. For guys who stick to doing what they want and becoming more self-aware, the women just come to you. It isn't rocket science, it's life. It's got cycles. You can't put on a pimp face 1 day, then revert back to being a symp the next. You're always pimp, that's it. You're always suave. That's who you be. You don't act it, you are it. The thing that always gets me are guys who come here talking how they "acted" as such, and then crash and burn in their post. An aware person can always tell what the game is, and won't fall into petty ego bs. I've had friends try to game a woman from me right in front of me, told them to take her thinking they were smooth and had her come back to me in 15 minutes flat b/c I didn't need her, and it was evident they wanted pvssy.


Not needing sex or seeing it "traditionally" as just fvcking has gotten me more azz than I did before. A book on tantra, some on love making, some on metaphysics, connections, chakra etc, really tweaks a girl. When you can show you're a self-controlled guy who manages his sex drive and is not controlled by it, girls are hornier to break that because they feel sexy being found sexy by a guy who's hard to break. Sure they want to be thrown against a wall, penetrated, pounded on, spanked, but from a guy they like inside and outside the room. Porn has shown us, anybody can "act" out sex roles and play "daddy", but few can touch her in always, deeply, emotionally, sexually, and personally. I've always thought of it as "what do I give" not "what am I receiving."


MOST guys, not just here, but in life got the tools, but the glut of dating advice makes you 'think' there's some archetype out there, that women actually want a perfect guy. They don't. They want the fun guy, the guy you see on old school, the Vince Vaughns of the world, the guy who enjoys being a guy. Joking laughing. Don't model him, just model the philosophy. How he approaches life, in Swingers, in Made, in Old School, in Dodgeball. He might be a character, but he traditionally plays the same role. Lots of guys I know got beautiful women, and they're just fun to be around b/c they enjoy themselves. They're not so serious where they're thinking moves out. If they fvck up, they know it and say sorry and play it off like "well i'm human, and I know you will."



Enough of my tirade.





A-Unit
 
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