What is better than the dj bible?

[Ease]

I would add that there is no such thing that out-alpha. That is "out-dominate".

"Every 'alpha male' can be immediately made into a true beta male when put in the presence of a higher ranked alpha."

This is only true if you define alpha as leader and beta as non-leader.

How come everyone links alpha to power and status? Then my female boss is more alpha than me?:nono:

You dont need to define alpha as leader and beta as non leader. Putting a premier league sports player into a 3rd division sports team doesnt mean that you have to make him captain of the team. But his power and status will still be much higher than the rest, and everyone will know it and he will still dominate everyone. Being captain is simply a technical choice made by the coach.

The real 'alphaness' or power/status/dominance is something we feel instinctively and react subconsciously. And if your female boss is dominating you then that makes you a sissy!

 

[Alien]

You dont need to define alpha as leader and beta as non leader. Putting a premier league sports player into a 3rd division sports team doesnt mean that you have to make him captain of the team. But his power and status will still be much higher than the rest, and everyone will know it and he will still dominate everyone. Being captain is simply a technical choice made by the coach.

Huh... I cant imagine how can you dominate your own teammates. You mean they are reacting to him and try to copy his actions subconsciously.

The real 'alphaness' or power/status/dominance is something we feel instinctively and react subconsciously. And if your female boss is dominating you then that makes you a sissy!

I dont have a female boss right now, but this is a good example. How can she make me a sissy? I go to work and do my stuff ...and yes accepting instructions and bossy behaviour from her is part of it. But this doesnt mean i think she is any better than me. If she is being rude i tell it to her right then ...and if she wont stop it i go and find an other job.
How can she dominate me?

 

[Ease]

Huh... I cant imagine how can you dominate your own teammates. You mean they are reacting to him and try to copy his actions subconsciously.

It's more instinctive than that, its the type of thing you just know. When you talk with a new guy, you size him up and you decide if he is a cooler guy than you, same as you, or a loser. It's not just about 'dominating' in a physical sense.

Us guys do this naturally. Next time you talk with a new guy, notice how you are checking him out to be higher status or lower status than you. It can depend on who has the better job, who is stronger, who has the better social skills, whatever it is that you are comparing.

We immediately respect and react differently to a guy who we see as better than us. Think about it carefully next time you are in a situation like this.

I dont have a female boss right now, but this is a good example. How can she make me a sissy? I go to work and do my stuff ...and yes accepting instructions and bossy behaviour from her is part of it. But this doesnt mean i think she is any better than me. If she is being rude i tell it to her right then ...and if she wont stop it i go and find an other job.
How can she dominate me?

Again you are thinking of domination as just in a negative sense. It's not negative, its just life.

Higher people 'dominate' lower. Or 'Higher people are cooler than lower'. Or 'more likeable', 'interesting', 'threatening', 'stronger'. As soon as you are established as being below status someone else, you are 'dominated'. It's just a word i'm using to explain my idea, replace it with something else and it will have the same meaning.

The key then is, dont let someone establish themselves above you.

 

[Alien]

It's more instinctive than that, its the type of thing you just know. When you talk with a new guy, you size him up and you decide if he is a cooler guy than you, same as you, or a loser. It's not just about 'dominating' in a physical sense.

Us guys do this naturally. Next time you talk with a new guy, notice how you are checking him out to be higher status or lower status than you. It can depend on who has the better job, who is stronger, who has the better social skills, whatever it is that you are comparing.

We immediately respect and react differently to a guy who we see as better than us. Think about it carefully next time you are in a situation like this.



Again you are thinking of domination as just in a negative sense. It's not negative, its just life.

Higher people 'dominate' lower. Or 'Higher people are cooler than lower'. Or 'more likeable', 'interesting', 'threatening', 'stronger'. As soon as you are established as being below status someone else, you are 'dominated'. It's just a word i'm using to explain my idea, replace it with something else and it will have the same meaning.

The key then is, dont let someone establish themselves above you.

Read just the bold. I would say thats the main pillar of the whole alpha vs beta debate.

There was a „dark” period in my life when i used to worry about these things: that guy is richer than me ...or he has better car ...or he has more friends ...or he has better bla-bla-bla. I will never go back there. I dont respect anybody just because he has better this or that. I try to do my best every day. I cant help those things. I consider someone as more alpha if i have to admit there is more in him than in me(which is rare). When i was younger guys used to beat me up, talk sh!t on me because of this. Who cares.

Back to the female boss thing: a female’s confidence, happyness, life consist of what others think about her. You take that away from her - she dies. There is nothing in her. You cant take such a being seriously.

„We immediately respect and react differently to a guy who we see as better than us”
You put two alpha guys together they will rather kill each other than submit to the other one. No way.

At wolves: if there is 2 alpha in the pack after a lot of struggle one of them will leave and form his own pack. They do not submit.

 

[Franky Four Fingers]

It's more instinctive than that, its the type of thing you just know. When you talk with a new guy, you size him up and you decide if he is a cooler guy than you, same as you, or a loser. It's not just about 'dominating' in a physical sense.

Us guys do this naturally. Next time you talk with a new guy, notice how you are checking him out to be higher status or lower status than you. It can depend on who has the better job, who is stronger, who has the better social skills, whatever it is that you are comparing.

We immediately respect and react differently to a guy who we see as better than us. Think about it carefully next time you are in a situation like this.

I just wanted to chime in on what I do in day to day life in relation to what you mentioned.

I never check out a guys status. That's just natural to me because my real world perspective is he is just a human who was born equal to me and is going to experience that ultimate equalizer that we ALL are going to experience - death. Doesn't matter if he's Bill Gates/President of the United States or a bum on the street, it's going to happen to us all.

I also realize less than 100 years on this earth that we all have compared to the grand scheme of time/earth is almost nothing, a microscopic spec if that.

Once you realize these things as real world fact (not contrived attitude) you can take on the alpha mindset (contrived) and out alpha anyone if that is your goal.

Even if it's not your goal to achieve alpha status, with these realizations in mind you become totally relaxed around people and isn't that one of the main tenets of being alpha?

So again, I never check out a guys status, there's no reason to in reality.

Just my .02c.

 

[Ease]

You think you dont. But the whole point here is that this is all instinctive and biological. Dont think SWPL, think caveman times. We all have hamster rationalisation going on, the person that described this famous phenomenon first was a geniu, but he didnt realise that men do it aswell as women.

Tell a woman that she is attracted to jerks, and she will deny it.

Tell a girl that she is not attracted to a nice guy because of his niceness, she will deny it.

Tell a woman that she will be happier and more fulfilled in a relationship where she will submit to and support a man, as opposed to 'equality and friendship', and she will deny it.

Tell a man that he is instinctively sizing other males up in comparison to him, and he will probably deny it also. We make friends with people of a similiar status to ourselves. Cool guys hang out with cool guys, in betweeners, and nerds with nerds. When a new guy arrives to school, he will eventually find his group. Its all instincts.

 

[handle]

The links to science they make are ridiculous (to me, anyway). The paper isn't a bad paper by any means but they're twisting the results around, and even if they take it at face value (they don't) they make a huge leap bringing it all the way up to humans. The "science" sections are where the site throws its credibility down the drain. If the scientific "evidence" they use is at best bad interpretation, of what value is the rest of the content? I see where you're coming from but I have to respectfully disagree.

 

[Ease]

The links to science they make are ridiculous (to me, anyway). The paper isn't a bad paper by any means but they're twisting the results around, and even if they take it at face value (they don't) they make a huge leap bringing it all the way up to humans. The "science" sections are where the site throws its credibility down the drain. If the scientific "evidence" they use is at best bad interpretation, of what value is the rest of the content? I see where you're coming from but I have to respectfully disagree.

For some reason i would consider any principle animal behavior to be either the same or strongly linked with human.

Society rules are completely different, but in terms of primal wiring and survival instincts, i would consider it all linked.

This hadn't occurred to me before however.

 

[Franky Four Fingers]

You think you dont .......

Tell a man that he is instinctively sizing other males up in comparison to him, and he will probably deny it also. We make friends with people of a similiar status to ourselves. Cool guys hang out with cool guys, in betweeners, and nerds with nerds. When a new guy arrives to school, he will eventually find his group. Its all instincts.

I have to respectfully disagree again.

I know a hedge fund owner/entrepreneur who trades commodities as well as other investments. His fund trades in excess of of 30 million dollars and that was 5 years ago. He's not manager of the fund he owns it and gets a 50% cut of the trading profits each month on the entire 30+ million. If he makes 1% on any given month thats 300,000+ and he gets half. If he makes 10% in any given month (he's done that multiple times) thats 3,000,000 for the month and he gets half. Again that 30M principle mentioned was 5 years ago, add on compounding for 5 years and you get the picture.

He also builds homes anywhere between 5-20 million dollars, you know the mansions with elevators etc.

Financially speaking I'm an tiny ant compared to him.

Not once did any of that effect how I related to him. No BS there.

He's human, he's as dead as I am from old age or disease at some point.

This is my internal view on life as well as people and has been since I was a child. Maybe I'm special or maybe I'm a freak but I don't size up other guys. Your painting with too broad of a brush.

 

[handle]

For some reason i would consider any principle animal behavior to be either the same or strongly linked with human.

Society rules are completely different, but in terms of primal wiring and survival instincts, i would consider it all linked.

This hadn't occurred to me before however.

Again, first understand that I fundamentally disagree with their interpretation of the results -- have you read the paper and the papers that respond to its findings? That's my main problem: this site tries to be empirical, but it isn't properly citing its "facts". So it's on extremely shaky ground.

Even if their interpretation is correct, you have to understand that at the cognitive, "higher brain function" level, humans are pretty distinct from mice. Mice are very useful for other studies (e.g. cancer, pain, etc) and they are used frequently for higher-order stuff -- some of it no doubt very interesting -- but you can't just "round up" to humans.