What is a feminine woman?

[The Bat]

LovelyLady, Interceptor, and Luthor, thank you for those responses. It's a little bit more clear now. I especially like the rock and water in stream analogy, Interceptor. Although the feminine woman should be self-respecting enough to realize when she's not dealing with a man (rock) but a pebble (AFC).

 

[LovelyLady]

Fantastic post, Lovely Lady.

Thank you, Vulcan :flowers:

I had a hunch you would reply to this one.

I tend to think of masculine/femenine dynamics as masculine being the "rock in the stream" and the femenine being the "water in the stream".

Yes - these are the words I was having trouble finding! This is what I was trying to say with "There is a certain concrete, solid thing about a Man/masculine energy. There is a certain fluid, changeable quality about a Woman/feminine energy." Great analogy!

I also see masculinity as being Grounded , like a tree, and femenine being airy like wind.
Kind of funny imagery, but based in natural phenomena.
Another analogy I like, is masculinity as a flag pole, and femeninity as the actual flag.

One can also look at masculine energy as something that pierces forward, and femenine that receives this energy.

:crackup: Now you are sounding like an old Victorian novel with cloaked sexual inferences... how scandalous!!

The masculine energy gets things started, and the femenine energy puts the machine in motion, which then returns this energy to the masculine, who then directs this energy out-ward into the femenine..

Femenine women tend to feel strength and faith in their Femeninity, and gain masculine energy from a man, rather than heavy creation of it themselves.
The manly female is the shadow image of the femenine male.

Powerful observation - and so true.

Both tend to have a void of their opposite and complimentary energy, thus an imbalance occurs.

As women tend to lose faith in men, they gain strength in masculine and dominant and aggressive characters and personas, but eventually distancing themselves form normale masculine men.
Masculine men just arent attracted to masculine women
Which only then reinforces their belief that "men are weak and too sensitive and not man enough", when in reality these females are running so far off the spectrum that they cant recognize where they are, and how much masculine energy they are running through themselves.
They are simply running too much masculine energy , thus , turning off any potential mates...

Your posts always challenge me... I've been thinking about this....

It is in the nature of many women to strive to create a balance in their interactions - particularly when they are trying to connect. If they perceive a lack/missing gap in the man, they will pull from their own (in this case - masculine traits) resources to fill in the gap. In other words, if she is with a man that is lacking masculine traits she will masculinize herself to create a sense of balance /comfort.

1. I don't believe most women are conscious of this process, however. They are aware of feeling frustrated and like being with the man is simply "more trouble than it's worth" or like they do "all the work in the relationship" - which really means they are exhausted from trying to be not only the feminine but the masculine energy as well. The lack of recognition of this dynamic and how they play into it, keeps many women in unsatisfying relationships.

2. There are also women who are aware that they do this. There is a belief held by them that there are few men who can handle the totality of woman who is truly in tune with all that is powerful about her feminine energy. So these women make a conscious choice to be with a less than "matured" man, compromise, and also fill in the gaps . There is generally a certain sadness and melancholy in the aura of these women - a resignation of sorts at settling. The women at this stage still have not made peace with being alone and living with the unfulfilled desire to connect with a compatible man.

3. Then there are women who do not compromise their feminity - even when in the company of men who are not in touch with their masculinity. Most men find these women intoxicationg - but the men are oblivious as to why the woman has this effect on him. The man falls in love with how she makes him feel about himself - but does not love the woman - her self, as she is on a pedestal to be worshipped/owned - but not in his arms to be loved. (Pedestal stuff you guys talk about here is damaging to us women and keeps us from receiving genuine love - the "matrix" hinders both sexes from sharing authentic love).

These women fall into 3 subgroups, if you will:

3a. Women who believe there is a scarcity of "REAL MEN" These women find a man they like enough and try to "train' a man to embrace his masculine energy -but then that Mother trap I talked about earlier enters in and sabotages. There is a huge difference in supporting a man in control of his own journey and having to carry the man on his journey.

3b. And then there are women who refuse to surrender their feminity and be "the man" in the relationship with feminized men. They refuse to "raise" or parent/educate the man who does not do the work of his own masculine self-realization. They remain open to experiencing the energy of men but do not compromise and do not partner with men they do not see as their equal/complimentary - or even better counterpart. They are comfortable with being alone rather than compromising on thier own wholeness just to have any man.

3c. Some women are blessed to find a compatible masculine man who is a/her rock and likes/appreciates/respects "gets" that she is water - and doesn't want her to be a rock too!

 

[LovelyLady]

Other thoughts I have on this:

There is also a belief sytem that because a woman experiences pain and loss in a love relationship - it was because of her feminity - and that if she "toughens up" and embraces a masculine persona it will somehow keep her emotionally "safe' from future hurts. She has not developed the tools to choose partners wisely. She instead chooses to present herself as an equal in masculine energy to a man - as a worthy adversary (kind of a pre-emptive parade of ammunition - a sexual energy arms race of sorts... Hey! Victory! I kinda' sound like you!). Forgetting that the goal is supposed to be partnership and being on the same team - not combatants. (but I digresss what I was talking about...) is that the fear of more pain - of not being able to protect herself from future pain or survive future hurts, she dons masculine "hardness" as a protective measure. She is water trying to be a rock. She has not found the mallability of being able to be ice in her repertoire of feminine strengths yet.


It is in the ability to love, to forgive, to be compassionate, to be "soft" to be changed by loving and being loved that real feminine power is expressed. It is like the water needs to know when she is to be ice, steam, rain, or stream - but it does not serve the water to pretend to be the rock. The rock already is a rock - it doesn't need the water to be a rock too. I better stop my long analogies, or Warriorwords will come and yell at me like he did in Chatzy LOL

Real personal power comes from the qualities/traits inside ourselves that noone can take away.

Also, there are many, many women who see (as many men also see) our feminity as weak - with no recognition to the inner strength, stability, and resolve it takes to remain solidly grounded in who you know yourself to be and yet flexible and loving.

It is the need for balance in the energies that is not often recognized in the relationship building process.

So it seems that human.s tend to draw some sort of neurotic satisfaction from the complimentary oppostite , even if they have to create it themelves.

Face it, if these manly females were getting plenty of masculine energy , they could relax and let themselves be femenine.

Likewise, the femenine males.
They could just sit back, relax, and let themselves flourish as a masculine man
But both are so uptight, that they female starts demanding and dictating masculine energy and the male starts trying to get approval and permission to receive femenine energy

I want to think more about this last part you share, but also interject my thoughts that I believe some people have so internalized the negative messages about both masculine and feminine energy to the point where they try to be gender neutral, in a sense. These are the people that you can't get any real sexual vibe/read on - it's as if there is no sexual pulse there at all. There is generally an undercurrent of hostility accompanied by statements of how sex isn't that important to them in their romantic relationships - that they are somehow "beyond" that. When actually, they are not detached from it - but have a self-loathing because they have not embraced the power of their individual gender/sex - much less their counterparts. They in essence, opt out of identifying with either genders - protecting themselves from the stereotypes - but also the challenges - of fully realizing thier potentials.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Consider what the year two thousand and eight woman at the top of this thread http://www.successvibe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5778&page=2
says about what it means to be a feminine woman and masculine man of today. Do you agree?

I tried replying to that thread, but you need a mod's approval. It's been over a day so I'm guessing I didn't get the approval over there.

What a shame... :yawn: