What I have noticed a lot of self proclaimed "PUAs"

[Night-hawk]

Plutoman, you made some quality points in your responses. The dehumanizing aspect of it I disagree with. Mentioning your name was irrelevant, as my noting of that concept was a generality to some guys, and therefore there was no passive aggressiveness in my noting of it as I had no care to direct it at you.

I find the conception of dehumanizing is more along the lines of de-equalization, which does come off as harsh spoken in some instances. Some guys are harsher in their delivery of their opinions and mindsets as some men feel no need to be.

That said.

Alias!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tgsHV9FEJdU

 

[nroug7]

More of this kind of thing eh, "value" "what women want" "looks"
From the looks of things, it's you guys who are over analysing.

 

[PlayHer Man]

There's no misreading what he said. I quoted it, quite exactly. If he means something else he should clarify it. If you want to attack my arguments, do so directly - don't go for this indirect passive aggressive ****, and don't fall back on fallacies to make a point. His choice of words explicitly states that women are only entertainment and sex toys. I disagree.

There's nothing wrong or shameful in expressing desire to women, and interests. There's nothing wrong in playing the field and ****ing around. There's nothing wrong in rejecting girls. There's nothing wrong in wanting, or not wanting, a relationship.

There is something wrong in considering women as subhuman, or in presuming that every women does the same **** as the ones you have went out to find and **** around with.

@PlayHer Man - if this stuff's considered blue pill, who the **** cares? Stop resorting to petty insults when you try to make a point.

Plutoman why are you getting so bent out of shape over my views on women? How are my opinions stopping you from getting what you want from women? :crackup:

Let me clearlify for everyone: In 2013.. within the context of a romantic relationship.. women are only good for sex, entertainment and popping out babies.

Anything else they offer can be offered outside of a sexual relationship with them.

Once women choose to get sexual with a man, the price of everything she offers goes up. Basic manners, affection, kindness, etc. It all becomes something a man must "prove" he deserves if he wants continued access to her vagina. Its the result of the p*ssy pedestal that desperate faggot men have placed women on post-feminism. The result is modern women have massive egos and believe they deserve the world because of the warm hole between their legs.

In order for the modern man to avoid this life of slavery and servitude to a modern female.. he must use the pump and dump strategy --> Bang a woman while the price is low.. then leave once the price of her p*ssy goes up. He must also "spin plates" so that the women in his life know they are replaceable and don't get a big head too early in the relationship (women will sleep with a man with options a lot faster than a man who doesn't spin plates).

As a man, you are free to spend your life chasing your magical rare "princess woman" who will give you a fairy tale marriage. Just be prepared for devastation when she changes on you or divorces you.. taking half your sh!t. You see.. once you find "the one" you become a slave. Why? Because any woman you can't replace becomes a woman you can't afford to lose. Once you fear losing a woman.. you are her slave for life. Your emotional security depends on HER actions and commitment to you. Have fun with that.

Let me know if I need to clarify anything else Plutoman.

 

[visions]

Is that they usually get their girls at a club. Picking up a drunk chick doesn't mean you have "solid game". I'd like to see a self proclaimed "PUA" to pick up a girl in clear daylight (the girl has to be at least an 8), and not in a dark, crowded place full of retarded, self loathing people who drink because they have a miserable life and decide to spend it with others just to make it seem as if their life is oh so good. Anyone agree?

some self-proclaimed puas do what you mentioned, but the ones i'm aware of (such as krauser, roosh, and most on this board) don't.

it's easier to approach in a club, but those approaches usually don't result in anything beyond attention whoring and flaking (and definitely not quality long-term relationships). hence the point of daygame.

for newbies it's hard to imagine how a man can approach a random female, have the nerves to hit on her, and then see decent results. i once had the same thought. but like going inside a pool ,the initial coolness wears off and everything is comfortable from that point on.

 

[zinc4]

most of you guys are negative and over analyze to hell and back...women have always been crazy and needed a supporter....since the beginning of time...not sure what all this 2013 talk is...as far as the looks part goes..that is just human nature...and there are some good girls out there with traditional values...

 

[Jeremyabolade23]

Men value love, but women love value. Judge nismo knows.

Swallow that goddamn red pill! Women like to know what kind of value you're bringing to the table. Thanks to the self proclaimed PUA's and the media, women are walking around like their vaginas are golden, maybe even VVS diamond encrusted!

The value that women look at most are your looks and money. PlayHer Man mentioned a lot, but not this aspect. He and I know damn well that your game, swag, clothes, savoir faire, personality, confidence etc. is all fine and dandy, but none will make you or your bank account better looking. Even Rollo knows this sh*t!

It's all about how attractive you are in her eyes. If she finds you attractive, she'll allow your game to work on her, and you've got lots of room for error. If not, she'll label damn near everything you do and say as unattractive, and you're basically a one hit-point wonder, if you're even in the game to begin with.

BTW, Mike32ct, I agree with your club notion. What you didn't mention is that men don't hold the sex card or the choosing card at all. Also, men's choosing power and relationship cards have fine print on it that states "Useless unless the woman chooses you first." Hence why so many men are dating down and women are dating up. Relationships these days typically last so as long as the man's value holds up or if the woman finds a man of higher value. I don't believe in love at all, since it always disappoints. And don't get me started on the number of the divorce cases and rape cases I've seen! Briffault's Law, not love.

Oh yeah, the "PUA gurus" most likely pay these girls to be in their videos to get chumps to buy their products. This whole thing is only inflating the price of love, sex, and companionship even higher. Men have so much trouble banding together to take the price down, but women have no problems parroting the media because it raises the price!

Case closed.

Well said my friend, well said!

 

[Jeremyabolade23]

Plutoman why are you getting so bent out of shape over my views on women? How are my opinions stopping you from getting what you want from women? :crackup:

Let me clearlify for everyone: In 2013.. within the context of a romantic relationship.. women are only good for sex, entertainment and popping out babies.

Anything else they offer can be offered outside of a sexual relationship with them.

Once women choose to get sexual with a man, the price of everything she offers goes up. Basic manners, affection, kindness, etc. It all becomes something a man must "prove" he deserves if he wants continued access to her vagina. Its the result of the p*ssy pedestal that desperate faggot men have placed women on post-feminism. The result is modern women have massive egos and believe they deserve the world because of the warm hole between their legs.

In order for the modern man to avoid this life of slavery and servitude to a modern female.. he must use the pump and dump strategy --> Bang a woman while the price is low.. then leave once the price of her p*ssy goes up. He must also "spin plates" so that the women in his life know they are replaceable and don't get a big head too early in the relationship (women will sleep with a man with options a lot faster than a man who doesn't spin plates).

As a man, you are free to spend your life chasing your magical rare "princess woman" who will give you a fairy tale marriage. Just be prepared for devastation when she changes on you or divorces you.. taking half your sh!t. You see.. once you find "the one" you become a slave. Why? Because any woman you can't replace becomes a woman you can't afford to lose. Once you fear losing a woman.. you are her slave for life. Your emotional security depends on HER actions and commitment to you. Have fun with that.

Let me know if I need to clarify anything else Plutoman.

PLAy her Man is my Sensei. I love you (no homo)!!!!

 

[Ronaldo7]

Yeah, I realize it's 2013. I also realize that I don't give a **** about sex toys, random entertainment, I get entertainment from my hobbies. I've got my buddies to chill with and enjoy time with. I can get laid - big deal, it's sex. Sure, feels good. So does having a fun time with buddies. So does hitting the gym and feeling the burn in my muscles. It's not big on my priority list.

If I'm going to be in a relationship with a girl, I'd rather have a meaningful one. Not about being a sucker, I'm not sure where you live, but here in Kansas there's good girls around. Who the **** says you have to bend over backwards for a chick? Yeah, many men do that. Set yourself apart. Setting yourself apart doesn't mean having a different goal (ie, a meaningful relationship). Setting yourself apart means accomplishing that goal with a chick who's not a dirty slut.

Regardless, they are still people. They've slept around, sure. That disqualifies them from my interest. I've got no interest in black women, regardless of how hot. I've got no interest in the not-so-bright girls. Does any of that get held against them? No way man, they are people. I'm just not interested. Simple fact of it.

Until you've gone and proven that a good woman doesn't exist, don't make claims to the contrary. You can make your assumptions, and I'll make mine. The arguments you give are chock full of fallacies.

You don't want a meaningful relationship - fine. Doesn't mean to treat them as less than human.

What can a guy from Kansas possibly contribute to this? The redneck "gals" over there are a joke.

PlayHer Man didn't dehumanize anyone. He simply stated the facts. 2013 gives us the option of skipping the feelings, emotions, and connections and just get right to the physical. Meaningful relationships? Maybe try getting out a little more and you will see how much of an idiot you are for thinking that.

Look at it this way. Women are recyclable objects. You use them once, rinse and repeat if it was good, or simply dispose of it when no longer in use. That's not dehumanizing. It is just an example to describe their natural cycle. Only thing you can get from a woman that you would actually want is sex. Who wants to deal with all the emotions and feelings that come with it? Get real.

@PlayHer Man: 100 % agree with everything you said.

 

[bigneil]

Is that they usually get their girls at a club. Picking up a drunk chick doesn't mean you have "solid game". I'd like to see a self proclaimed "PUA" to pick up a girl in clear daylight (the girl has to be at least an 8), and not in a dark, crowded place full of retarded, self loathing people who drink because they have a miserable life and decide to spend it with others just to make it seem as if their life is oh so good. Anyone agree?

You're not even old enough to go to a club.

All other things being equal, if those guys can "cheat up" at clubs, why can't you?

During your life you will encounter potential mates at random locations. The key is scoring with as many as those opportunities as possible. Any time you find yourself in the vicinity of a girl you like, you should have the skills to get their number a good percentage of the time.

 

[zinc4]

I try to talk to to chicks everywhere I go..bookstore..internet...club...i meet women everywhere i go...but a club gives you a much better chance and much more time to form some kind of rapport and develop a physical connection or chemistry with her resulting in quality numbers.....yeah, i do it in daylight as well...but more times than not my quality numbers come from clubs...and like someone else said, those same girls you number close in the day time are out at the clubs getting number and/or kiss/lay closed there.

So who is she going to go on the future date with....the guy who randomly approached her in broad day light and chatted her up for 5-15 mins or the guy who she spent the entire last night making out with her and talking to her and/or bedding her?...the logistics favor the club meetup every time, unless you are pulling off good insta dates in broad day light, which i have done a few times as well....but let's be realistic..those are not easy to pull off at all.

 

[yougottaknow90]

I try to talk to to chicks everywhere I go..bookstore..internet...club...i meet women everywhere i go...but a club gives you a much better chance and much more time to form some kind of rapport and develop a physical connection or chemistry with her resulting in quality numbers.....yeah, i do it in daylight as well...but more times than not my quality numbers come from clubs...and like someone else said, those same girls you number close in the day time are out at the clubs getting number and/or kiss/lay closed there.

So who is she going to go on the future date with....the guy who randomly approached her in broad day light and chatted her up for 5-15 mins or the guy who she spent the entire last night making out with her and talking to her and/or bedding her?...the logistics favor the club meetup every time, unless you are pulling off good insta dates in broad day light, which i have done a few times as well....but let's be realistic..those are not easy to pull off at all.

I think it's contextual. Much more likely for her to get buyer's remorse the next day or day after when she receives a text and thinks to herself, "oh, it's that guy from the bar".

 

[Zarky]

What I'm basically saying is that picking up a drunk girl from the club isn't an accomplishment opposed to picking up a sober girl in clear daylight.

Are guys really picking up chicks to feel "accomplishment?" I want to feel p*ssy, not "accomplishment." I guess I don't understand.

 

[Demonpenz]

This thread makes my head hurt.

 

[namismybabe]

I'd say a major flaw of PUA is that 80/90% of it is based on "club game".

That's well and good, since younger guys are often PUAs and many younger people go to clubs. That said, not all do. And after a time, most people grow out of clubbing/bars. PUA cannot call itself an "absolute" dating guide, if it primarily shows how to game in clubs/bars.

I'd like to see a PUA show how to game in a university class. Or in line at the bank/post office. Or in a park. Or even at work. Ultimately, PUA is geared towards socialites, and people who like to hang out and party. This is common, granted, but numerous people don't go to clubs or even like going to them.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

From the Unbearable Triteness of Hating

8. False Premises Hate

Hater: Yeah, sure, game works well for picking up low self-esteem bar skanks.

A great deal of hate is fueled by false premises. Concocting convenient scenarios, imagining the worst of your enemies, and reinterpreting their successes are a salve for the burned ego. Newsflash: your thin-skinned indignation is not my moral crisis.

Just to entertain the OP:
http://therationalmale.com/2012/09/06/women-studies/

You might also check out Krauser's site. He's got plenty of Day Game video and material there:

http://krauserpua.com/

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

it's easier to approach in a club

haha

I beg to differ. Especially in Toronto.

The hardest place to approach girls are places where they expect to be approached.

Shields up full force.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Don't be a sucker. Most women are in the double digits in sex partners by age 21. Relationships in 2013 are for chicks and kids bro. Spit out that blue pill.

This is true, I think. Sad it didn't used to be this way, but bein a hoe, even if bisexual and sexing up their girlfriends at summer camp, camping, field trips, away games, girls have no shame AT ALL these days, in a sense, they're just like guys and fvck anything that walks (that is, their own "girl" "friends," first, then some random guy pump and dump, second). Girls are Never at a loss for fvcking, these days.

 

[Hustlaz Ambition]

Is that they usually get their girls at a club. Picking up a drunk chick doesn't mean you have "solid game". I'd like to see a self proclaimed "PUA" to pick up a girl in clear daylight (the girl has to be at least an 8), and not in a dark, crowded place full of retarded, self loathing people who drink because they have a miserable life and decide to spend it with others just to make it seem as if their life is oh so good. Anyone agree?

You OBVISOUSLY have never done any serious sarging in the club. Night game is WAYY harder than daygame. Daygame is ****ing child's play especially when there is social circle game involved. I've known dudes who completely relied on their social circle to get women, but were sh!tting themselves when I brought them out to the club and never went back in. "Imma get me a badass ***** tonight", "These girls fine as hell", then once we enter the venue they froze up.

 

[Hustlaz Ambition]

Not the women in Phills. A great many are still virgins at age 18, quite a few still are at age 20. It's a Catholic country, you know. Many Asian countries are like that, especially China.

Exactly why my kids are gonna be half Asian

 

[zinc4]

You OBVISOUSLY have never done any serious sarging in the club. Night game is WAYY harder than daygame. Daygame is ****ing child's play especially when there is social circle game involved. I've known dudes who completely relied on their social circle to get women, but were sh!tting themselves when I brought them out to the club and never went back in. "Imma get me a badass ***** tonight", "These girls fine as hell", then once we enter the venue they froze up.

I have a friend like that who froze up and demanded we leave....it was really pathetic...i will never understand that...when i walk into a club all i see is a buffet of women to pick from...or at least try to pick from...it's like walking into a golden corrale or Chinese food buffet when you are really hungry.....