What I believe to be, by far, the hardest thing about cold approaches

[CornbreadFed]

OP, this is where looks & status matter a lot. The worse you are in those departments, the more you will have to carry on the conversation and seduce the girl. If you find yourself having to carry the whole thing then she is just not into you and too scared to say fvck off.

 

[SW15]

If you find yourself having to carry the whole thing then she is just not into you and too scared to say fvck off.

I let those conversations fizzle out. The fizzling out is the natural conclusion.

OP, this is where looks & status matter a lot. The worse you are in those departments, the more you will have to carry on the conversation and seduce the girl.

Guys who are not elite in looks will often look to signal status.

This is one thread about one way that men try to signal status.

Will a Rolex Get You Laid? Will a Rolex Help You Get a Longer Term Girlfriend?

https://nypost.com/2013/01/16/meet-the-rolex-romeos/ Rolex is one of the most prestigious brands. To get a Rolex time piece, expect to spend more than $8,000. While there are other watch brands, Rolex is the one most well known. If a man isn't getting laid and is struggling in...

www.sosuave.net

Men will use their luxury brand cars and high end watches/clothing brand to signal money and status.

 

[Oatmeal31]

That cold approach thing is a goner today. It used to be how I met women before smart phones. Basically chatting up any babe I found attractive. It was the greatest way.

Man go do an activity like meetup dot com those women go there looking for men. Why are you trying to buck the system?

When I think of cold approaching I think your ass is standing at a busy plaza where women are walking by and you’re this desperate creepshow approaching women walking by. I mean it can be done but cmon the women can see you a mile away: why the hell do you think wear giant headphones and sunglasses and ear loop masks and stuff?

I used to sit at a table outside of the exit door of a Whole Foods eating lunch and say hello to women as they exit and get chats. But at least I was doing something, lunch you know on my lunch break. You guys are just setting a block of time with nothing to do but creep out women passing by.

man get with the program

I'm really not sure why you're on this forum if you're telling men to stick to the meetup website, which is trash btw, and to not "buck the system" or else you'll be seen as a creep. You sound like a feminist right now lmao

I've had great interactions with girls that wear headphones. I talk to them and they have no problem taking them off without asking, especially when I come up and utilize the advice I've dropped in this post

This post was meant to spread advice, now I've got a couple of dudes that are too afraid of cold approaching, telling other MEN not to do it. Stick to Tinder, let's see how far that gets you.

If you don't like it as a method, good for you. No one really cares. But don't discourage other men from trying to sharpen a difficult but very powerful skill to attain

 

[characternote]

I'm going to put to one side the fact that I believe that her attraction towards you 100% decides how the interaction goes (e.g if she doesn't tihnk you are good looking, then the cold approach will fail despite how much 'game' and PUA theory you've read and implement)

However, I think you've made quite a good post. I used too experiment a lot with that sort of stuff. My tonality. Openers. I realised that my success often came from a silly opener that naturally lead into a conversation DUE to the opener! Make sense?

For example, I actually got laid on my first ever official cold approach using a 'sorry i'm late. 'Have you been waiting long?' opener that I got from 'magic bullets' PUA book, in a bar where I then preceded to be the girls 'blind date'. (I don't think tinder was a thing back then!). The opener allowed her to roleplay with me, and the whole 'awkwardness' of neither of us being able to think of anything to say wasn't an issue and the whole interaction had some 'grounding' and foundation of sorts!

I remember in my earlier days, I decided that I always had to use that opener. Or at least one very similar! An opener that had a kind of 'inbuilt' conversation if that makes sense!

Opening a girl at a bar with like 'hey', and then 'what's your name' just always seemed like pulling teeth in comparison. Even if I used all kinds of PUA tricks like cold reads and DHV stories and whatever else was popular at the time, it was nowhere near as good and still lead to me pulling teeth and dealing with a girl who just wasn't talking back lol.

This took me too a spell in my pickup life where i'd basically watch prank vids like ones from 'bigdawstv' and i'd use his lines that he's use as a kind of 'prank/reaction' vid as my openers lol. And they tended to do well. (obviously, the caveat is basically always that she is attracted to you otherwise it still would never lead to sex or even a number etc, but it tended to massively reduce the stilted convos that were common)

Over the years I dropped that opener (didn't wanna be known as the 'sorry i'm late guy', justlke TylerRSD said he didn't want to be known as the 'are you best friends' guy) and the whole concept really. Especially once i'd decided from years of trial that she basically decides 'yes or no' way before you've even finished your first sentence. BUT I still do think there's something in it for those who at least want to fix their super short boring convos. It's something that i'd talk about and try to improve upon if I ever wrote a PUA book lol

 

[Oatmeal31]

I'm going to put to one side the fact that I believe that her attraction towards you 100% decides how the interaction goes (e.g if she doesn't tihnk you are good looking, then the cold approach will fail despite how much 'game' and PUA theory you've read and implement)

However, I think you've made quite a good post. I used too experiment a lot with that sort of stuff. My tonality. Openers. I realised that my success often came from a silly opener that naturally lead into a conversation DUE to the opener! Make sense?

For example, I actually got laid on my first ever official cold approach using a 'sorry i'm late. 'Have you been waiting long?' opener that I got from 'magic bullets' PUA book, in a bar where I then preceded to be the girls 'blind date'. (I don't think tinder was a thing back then!). The opener allowed her to roleplay with me, and the whole 'awkwardness' of neither of us being able to think of anything to say wasn't an issue and the whole interaction had some 'grounding' and foundation of sorts!

I remember in my earlier days, I decided that I always had to use that opener. Or at least one very similar! An opener that had a kind of 'inbuilt' conversation if that makes sense!

Opening a girl at a bar with like 'hey', and then 'what's your name' just always seemed like pulling teeth in comparison. Even if I used all kinds of PUA tricks like cold reads and DHV stories and whatever else was popular at the time, it was nowhere near as good and still lead to me pulling teeth and dealing with a girl who just wasn't talking back lol.

This took me too a spell in my pickup life where i'd basically watch prank vids like ones from 'bigdawstv' and i'd use his lines that he's use as a kind of 'prank/reaction' vid as my openers lol. And they tended to do well. (obviously, the caveat is basically always that she is attracted to you otherwise it still would never lead to sex or even a number etc, but it tended to massively reduce the stilted convos that were common)

Over the years I dropped that opener (didn't wanna be known as the 'sorry i'm late guy', justlke TylerRSD said he didn't want to be known as the 'are you best friends' guy) and the whole concept really. Especially once i'd decided from years of trial that she basically decides 'yes or no' way before you've even finished your first sentence. BUT I still do think there's something in it for those who at least want to fix their super short boring convos. It's something that i'd talk about and try to improve upon if I ever wrote a PUA book lol

Most women will be on the fence, and I believe that good social skills and tonality CAN, not will, sway things in your favor.

She can be attracted to you, but if you cannot make the conversation comfortable and seamless on the street, she may just turn you down instead.

If you're her type and she's horny right off the bat, you likely won't have to put in much effort. Just on you to not **** it up

But yeah, I agree with everything else you said. The PUA stuff is usually overanalytical, generic and robotic. I almost never go up to a girl and say, 'Excuse me...' anymore and try some kind of routine that's been milked to death

 

[JacquesMemoirs]

I'm really not sure why you're on this forum if you're telling men to stick to the meetup website, which is trash btw, and to not "buck the system" or else you'll be seen as a creep. You sound like a feminist right now lmao

I've had great interactions with girls that wear headphones. I talk to them and they have no problem taking them off without asking, especially when I come up and utilize the advice I've dropped in this post

This post was meant to spread advice, now I've got a couple of dudes that are too afraid of cold approaching, telling other MEN not to do it. Stick to Tinder, let's see how far that gets you.

If you don't like it as a method, good for you. No one really cares. But don't discourage other men from trying to sharpen a difficult but very powerful skill to attain

Nah man I’m not a feminist. That’s silly.

So you read all these books how to cold approach women but what year were they published? Do the authors still walk around like a dummy “cold” approaching women?

I mean, instead of dedicating hours just cold approaching women on the street, why can’t you just go about your day instead doing your own thing and say hi to a few people in the process? It just seems really dopey but like I said, 10-20 years ago it was a better idea.

Are the authors you follow still cold approaching? Like desperation trolls or something

I mean, get a hobby? Go to yoga. Join a club you like. Grocery shop. Post office. Go clothes shopping. Build a business and hire some girls. Teach a class. Go to events.

Women are 51% of the population and they’re everywhere.

what you’re doing seems outdated that’s all. I’m surprised there’s even a manosphere and books you need to read because babes are everywhere.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

The hardest thing about cold approaching is developing the skill to initiate and carry a conversation from the moment you go up to her, all the way to the point where you can get her to open up. The way things are, the onus is on us to lead and maintain the conversation from the very start.
What makes this so difficult is being able to materialize conversation and bounce from point to point without the luxury of having more time. It can be largely improvisational with a very limited window and not much time to think. You might run out of things to say if you're not getting much to work with, and the dreaded awkward silence will come up—which she'll probably fault you for. Then you go for the number a bit too early, and she declines.

Which is one reason why, in my opinion, cold approach shouldn't be used to carry on lengthy conversations in the first place.

Bank Robbery Method: Get in, and get out...in as little time as possible with the goods (her #).

Unless you are doing nightgame, you shouldn't be looking for an extensive conversation with a daygame cold approach.

Unfortunately, since women aren’t used to this kind of interaction in a store or street environment, they’re often withdrawn and don’t actively contribute. It’s like dealing with a shy person. They’re reserved and don’t talk much until you warm them up and make them feel comfortable enough to open up.

True, most women aren't used to being cold approached....and some may come across as shy and RESERVED.

HOWEVER, that shouldn't stop them from being intrigued by you.

That is why I strongly advocate bodygame, and putting yourself in a position to whereas, no matter how surprised and unexpected your approach is to her, she cannot fail to be intrigued by your masculine, physical presence before her eyes.

Think about any time you've had a pleasant conversation with someone that seemed to flow naturally. The person you were talking to was also actively contributing to the conversation and probably asking questions as well. There was smooth back-and-forth, even if they were a stranger.

Yeah, but the problem with that is, just because the conversation went smooth, doesn't mean the woman is interested in you.

This is what I've come to learn after hundreds of experiences out in the field (and counting).

Hell, not only that, but even if the woman gives you her #, that doesn't even mean she is interested in you!!

Getting a # doesn't mean SHYT...and pleasant conversations don't mean a damn thing!!

That is why I stress, save the lengthy conversations for when it matters.

Now think about any time you had a conversation that felt forced and unnatural. Someone isn’t used to this or they’re not actively reciprocating to the degree that you are.

You shouldn't be sticking around long enough to notice such things...not only a daygame cold approach.

There are yes and no girls, but there are also maybe girls. Yes girls are ideal, but they’re much more uncommon. You hardly have to run game on them.

With girls on the fence—which is most common, I'd say—you can sway things in your favor if you develop the skill to consistently create good, lengthy interactions. You’ll get more numbers, fewer flakes, and fewer rejections.

This is why I think it's best to have backup questions on retainer. Also, think about what makes a person open up more—something that has to do with them. Observational comments create an opportunity for them to talk about themselves and lead to a more robust conversation.

Bank robbery method, bruh.

If you got the # after a 10 minute conversation, you could have gotten it after a 5 minute conversation.

A woman doesn't need to talk to for 10 minutes in order for you to figure out if you want to smash or not, does she?

Well, what makes you think women are any different?

Insights are welcome. I'm still learning and this is what I've got to share

Hopefully, I've provided value to your learning...as I had to learn as well.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Conversational skills are a sign of high social value.

They are also things you can practice and improve over time.

Every girl you approach is a chance to improve yourself.

Stop looking for reasons not to do it and suck it up and improve yourself.

Goddamn kids today...

 

[Isildur1]

I met mine through OLD, and I do not automatically dismiss the complaints I hear about it. This rhetoric does nothing for men.

Vast majority of men can’t perform well on online dating apps- they’re better off doing daygame approaches it’s the best way to date out of your league and from my experience far less flaky than online and nightgame

 

[Isildur1]

Can you say how you met your girlfriend?

I think my concept of cold approach is more just being smooth and friendly, mostly just to chat with an attractive woman in my vicinity when she’s in no hurry and with no expectations of picking her up, just to softly flirt for the fun it

but other guys must “cold approach” in a way like they are working the streets, like walking up to women who are already walking and they’re actually doing errands and these guys are jogging up and down the block high on coffee and pestering women who mostly show zero interest

In my opinion if flirting isn’t fun and easy you’re doing it wrong

I was doing approaches in Dubai and met her while she was working - she said I was one of the few people she talked to that has genuinely interesting conversation

But I was still running a lot of interactions to be clear she was my 11th approach of the dayout of thirteen

roughly every 80 approaches I would get 3-4 good solid dates and from there A couple of lays

the beginning was brutal I didn’t get a lay for the first 4 months but eventually I managed to have sex with a Taiwanese model I approached at a London train station- again that was after 65 rejections and a fair few dates that led no where

Its tough but very rewarding ultimately you need alot of mental grit and determination most men don’t have it and rather use apps but I think for the majority of men dating apps are skewed against them

also for every amazing lay story you get there are roughly 20-40 rejections that take place before that that you never hear about

 

[Oatmeal31]

Nah man I’m not a feminist. That’s silly.

So you read all these books how to cold approach women but what year were they published? Do the authors still walk around like a dummy “cold” approaching women?

I mean, instead of dedicating hours just cold approaching women on the street, why can’t you just go about your day instead doing your own thing and say hi to a few people in the process? It just seems really dopey but like I said, 10-20 years ago it was a better idea.

Are the authors you follow still cold approaching? Like desperation trolls or something

I mean, get a hobby? Go to yoga. Join a club you like. Grocery shop. Post office. Go clothes shopping. Build a business and hire some girls. Teach a class. Go to events.

Women are 51% of the population and they’re everywhere.

what you’re doing seems outdated that’s all. I’m surprised there’s even a manosphere and books you need to read because babes are everywhere.

Authors? Who said I read books on cold approaching? And why would you torch your hobby to hit on women?

I like to box and I'm very passionate about it. Do you think it would be wise to hit on girls in my gym? No, it would make things weird and disturb my focus. Same goes for other hobbies.

You can't have abundance when you limit yourself to a few girls in a hobby here and there anyway.

Also, you claim that dedicating time to approaching girls on the street is creepy. You know what's actually worse? Getting into a hobby just to hit on girls.

 

[Oatmeal31]

Which is one reason why, in my opinion, cold approach shouldn't be used to carry on lengthy conversations in the first place.

Bank Robbery Method: Get in, and get out...in as little time as possible with the goods (her #).

Unless you are doing nightgame, you shouldn't be looking for an extensive conversation with a daygame cold approach.



True, most women aren't used to being cold approached....and some may come across as shy and RESERVED.

HOWEVER, that shouldn't stop them from being intrigued by you.

That is why I strongly advocate bodygame, and putting yourself in a position to whereas, no matter how surprised and unexpected your approach is to her, she cannot fail to be intrigued by your masculine, physical presence before her eyes.



Yeah, but the problem with that is, just because the conversation went smooth, doesn't mean the woman is interested in you.

This is what I've come to learn after hundreds of experiences out in the field (and counting).

Hell, not only that, but even if the woman gives you her #, that doesn't even mean she is interested in you!!

Getting a # doesn't mean SHYT...and pleasant conversations don't mean a damn thing!!

That is why I stress, save the lengthy conversations for when it matters.



You shouldn't be sticking around long enough to notice such things...not only a daygame cold approach.



Bank robbery method, bruh.

If you got the # after a 10 minute conversation, you could have gotten it after a 5 minute conversation.

A woman doesn't need to talk to for 10 minutes in order for you to figure out if you want to smash or not, does she?

Well, what makes you think women are any different?



Hopefully, I've provided value to your learning...as I had to learn as well.

Strongly disagree. When I was green to cold approaching, that's what I did and I didn't get jack. I hardly even got numbers doing that. I get far more numbers now when I take time to have some conversation with her versus going up and just saying I think you're beautiful, asking a single question, give me your number. She's more comfortable, less likely to flake, and the interaction isn't cookie cutter and boring for either of you. Don't be lazy and skip steps.

The type of "game" you're running is what these instagram kids do with meta glasses recording their 3 second interactions, where they run around and say, "WHERE'D YOU GET THAT?" "What?" "THAT BEAUTIFUL SMILE"

No, that's not effective and it's not seduction. Doesn't get results, and it's a waste of time.

I've seen good looking guys get blown out of the water because they can't socialize with a girl on the street to save their lives. Your looks will not save you most of the time.
No disrespect, but that's what I gotta say.

Practice, extend your interactions, and you'll get better results. We are here to improve our skills, our, chances, so you're not running around and end up repeatedly smashing your head against the wall

 

[Isildur1]

Authors? Who said I read books on cold approaching? And why would you torch your hobby to hit on women?

I like to box and I'm very passionate about it. Do you think it would be wise to hit on girls in my gym? No, it would make things weird and disturb my focus. Same goes for other hobbies.

You can't have abundance when you limit yourself to a few girls in a hobby here and there anyway

That’s the issue- volume is so important to dating for men and most don’t have enough - it took me a while to get my first daygame lays set in stone but when I did it was extremely awarding - daygame also teaches you to be a more charismatic person and I gained invaluable social skills from it

most men in the London dating scene are hiding behind apps waiting for something to happen- pretty pathetic if you ask me my older brother mocked puas as creeps now he’s in a ltr with a single mum from a dating app I have no doubt if he did cold approach he could’ve done 100 times better as he’s better looking and more accomplished than me

 

[Oatmeal31]

That’s the issue- volume is so important to dating for men and most don’t have enough - it took me a while to get my first daygame lays set in stone but when I did it was extremely awarding - daygame also teaches you to be a more charismatic person and I gained invaluable social skills from it

most men in the London dating scene are hiding behind apps waiting for something to happen- pretty pathetic if you ask me my older brother mocked puas as creeps now he’s in a ltr with a single mum from a dating app I have no doubt if he did cold approach he could’ve done 100 times better as he’s better looking and more accomplished than me

Exactly. You need volume to practice and get results. Besides, you will get turned down most of the time, it's part of the territory. You are only going to improve through trial and error. And yes, it's tremendous in other areas of dating and life. "Warm" approaches are also easy mode now.

We have some critics in here that are just too afraid to do it. Is it a deep learning curve and is it challenging? Yeah, but like you said, it's deeply rewarding when it finally clicks

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I let those conversations fizzle out. The fizzling out is the natural conclusion.



Guys who are not elite in looks will often look to signal status.

This is one thread about one way that men try to signal status.

Will a Rolex Get You Laid? Will a Rolex Help You Get a Longer Term Girlfriend?

https://nypost.com/2013/01/16/meet-the-rolex-romeos/ Rolex is one of the most prestigious brands. To get a Rolex time piece, expect to spend more than $8,000. While there are other watch brands, Rolex is the one most well known. If a man isn't getting laid and is struggling in...

www.sosuave.net

Men will use their luxury brand cars and high end watches/clothing brand to signal money and status.

If you need to signal those it means you think there is nothing else you have to offer.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Strongly disagree. When I was green to cold approaching, that's what I did and I didn't get jack.

I hardly even got numbers doing that.
I get far more numbers now when I take time to have some conversation with her versus going up and just saying I think you're beautiful, asking a single question, give me your number.

First of all, you're assuming that the times you didn't get the number, that you didn't get the number based on the method that you used (the bank robbery method).

You have no way of knowing this and chances are, she would have rejected you regardless of how much time you spent trying to dazzle her.

I've been in situations where I've spent 15-30 minutes of pleasant conversations with women, only for them to not contact me after it all.

Which means, I wasted 15-30 minutes of razzle dazzle conversation, when I could have saved myself time by going bank robbery.

If you aren't physically appealing to the woman and she has no sexual desire towards you, this will not change in 15-30 minutes.

She's more comfortable, less likely to flake, and the interaction isn't cookie cutter and boring for either of you. Don't be lazy and skip steps.

Daygame, in my opinion, is not meant for interactions, per se.

It is meant to briefly present yourself to the woman, and to leave a short, yet lasting impression with her in efforts to get her to WANT to have future interactions with you.

The type of "game" you're running is what these instagram kids do with meta glasses recording their 3 second interactions, where they run around and say, "WHERE'D YOU GET THAT?" "What?" "THAT BEAUTIFUL SMILE"

And the type of "game" you're running is..

"Let me stand here before the woman, and perform 15 minutes of magical tricks. I'll begin by juggling 3 apples while riding on a unicycle..maybe that'll impress her!!"

That's..beta shiit.

No, that's not effective and it's not seduction.

It is effective if you are that guy.

If you ain't that guy, then it won't be effective.

Doesn't get results, and it's a waste of time.

If you (specifically) didn't get results, then you weren't that guy.

I've seen good looking guys get blown out of the water because they can't socialize with a girl on the street to save their lives.

Were those guys good looking to the women, or good looking to you?

Your looks will not save you most of the time.
No disrespect, but that's what I gotta say.

Practice, extend your interactions, and you'll get better results. We are here to improve our skills, our, chances, so you're not running around and end up repeatedly smashing your head against the wall

My methods saves time, money, to whereas even when things don't go your way, you can still walk away with your head held high.

 

[Oatmeal31]

First of all, you're assuming that the times you didn't get the number, that you didn't get the number based on the method that you used (the bank robbery method).

You have no way of knowing this and chances are, she would have rejected you regardless of how much time you spent trying to dazzle her.

I've been in situations where I've spent 15-30 minutes of pleasant conversations with women, only for them to not contact me after it all.

Which means, I wasted 15-30 minutes of razzle dazzle conversation, when I could have saved myself time by going bank robbery.

If you aren't physically appealing to the woman and she has no sexual desire towards you, this will not change in 15-30 minutes.



Daygame, in my opinion, is not meant for interactions, per se.

It is meant to briefly present yourself to the woman, and to leave a short, yet lasting impression with her in efforts to get her to WANT to have future interactions with you.



And the type of "game" you're running is..

"Let me stand here before the woman, and perform 15 minutes of magical tricks. I'll begin by juggling 3 apples while riding on a unicycle..maybe that'll impress her!!"

That's..beta shiit.



It is effective if you are that guy.

If you ain't that guy, then it won't be effective.



If you (specifically) didn't get results, then you weren't that guy.



Were those guys good looking to the women, or good looking to you?



My methods saves time, money, to whereas even when things don't go your way, you can still walk away with your head held high.

15+ minutes is way too long unless it's an instadate. Never spent that long because I have **** to do. You can leave a good enough impression in 3-5 minutes. 10 minutes tops.

Bank robbery method.. lmao

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

15+ minutes is way too long unless it's an instadate. Never spent that long because I have **** to do. You can leave a good enough impression in 3-5 minutes. 10 minutes tops.

Ohh, I get it.

So basically, this thread is about you sharing your opinion on how difficult it may be for a grown azz man to hold a 3-5 minute conversation with a woman..on a cold approach.

Bank robbery method.. lmao

10 minutes tops....lmao

Yeah, think about it...you are planning a bank robbery and you tell your comrades..

"We shouldn't be in there no longer than 10 minutes, tops".

 

[Oatmeal31]

Ohh, I get it.

So basically, this thread is about you sharing your opinion on how difficult it may be for a grown azz man to hold a 3-5 minute conversation with a woman..on a cold approach.



10 minutes tops....lmao

Yeah, think about it...you are planning a bank robbery and you tell your comrades..

"We shouldn't be in there no longer than 10 minutes, tops".

This thread was sharing advice on how to do better with cold approaches. It was meant for people that take action, not to be hijacked by corny keyboard warriors that think they invented some kind of "bank robbery" approach. So weird man.

It's no longer a productive discussion but I will say that I wonder what your real life conversation looks like. Hilarious

 

[SW15]

the bank robbery method).

Daygame, in my opinion, is not meant for interactions, per se.

It is meant to briefly present yourself to the woman, and to leave a short, yet lasting impression with her in efforts to get her to WANT to have future interactions with you.

10 minutes tops....lmao

Yeah, think about it...you are planning a bank robbery and you tell your comrades..

"We shouldn't be in there no longer than 10 minutes, tops".

You had mentioned the bank robbery method as part of your approaching style in the past. I think you had mainly been discussing it in relation to non-bar approaching (daygame).

There have been other frameworks presented for daygame approaching. In "Day Bang", Roosh had his GALNUC conversational model. Guys like Nick Krauser and Tom Torero have presented the London Daygame Method (Open Vibe Stack Invest Close). The London Daygame Model had been intended as a conversational model in adapting Mystery Method to a non-bar setting, but it was mainly tested in street approaching in London.

I think the London Daygame Model, GALNUC, and your bank robbery method all have the same objective in non-bar approaching. The idea is to have a short interaction, present yourself well, arrange a date, and leave in the shortest amount of time possible.

A good non-bar approach can accomplish that in about a 5 minute interaction. The only thing that the initial conversation should demonstrate is a decent likelihood of a good extended interaction in the future. The first daygame interaction should somewhat prove that a 1-3 hour interaction for drinks at a bar would go reasonably well.

I wish that I could open a female in daygame immediately with the request to go have a drink at a bar with me. However, I think there's a need to have some more interaction (likely beyond 30-60 seconds) in order to arrange a future social event.

this thread is about you sharing your opinion on how difficult it may be for a grown azz man to hold a 3-5 minute conversation with a woman..on a cold approach.

That's a legitimate topic to discuss. It is challenging to get a random woman who is a stranger to hold a 3-5 minute conversation to assess compatibility and arrange a future social event with her.

Most stranger interactions die within 60 seconds.