What do i do about my ex?

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Ok so we dated for about 5 months, then there was a spell of a load of unnecessary arguments that basically killed the spark and she dumped me after a lot of 'It doesnt feel the same' discussions. I know what I did wrong in that department but I can't change the past. After the breakup, it was good at first, we didnt really speak and I kept my distance, then being an idiot I asked for her back telling her we could of made it work etc...and then we eventually had another argument. Then recently my friends were on my phone and sent her kind of aweful texts which I explained to her wasn't me. And she accepted that. But I know she doesn't want me back and I really do want her back as it feels extremely unfinished, but every time I talk to her things seem to get worse no matter how hard I try. I know you say no contact is the best but I dont see how she would miss me after what has happened, but rather instead would make it easier for her to move on. I just don't know how to behave around her either, am I really friendly and nice or cold or what? I just want her back really. Any advice would be much appreciated!
 

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Ok so we dated for about 5 months, then there was a spell of a load of unnecessary arguments that basically killed the spark and she dumped me after a lot of 'It doesnt feel the same' discussions.
I am going through this exact thing right now. Some of my behaviors and our core differences turned her off and lowered her IL to the point where she drifted away.

The problem is that no amount of logic, reason, or talking it out can ever save a relationship that has reached this point.

During one of my last conversations with my ex, she told me that she knows I would make a "perfect husband and father", that "no one will ever be as good to me as you have," and that "I wish I would wake up tomorrow and snap out of whatever it is that is making me unsure about being with you". Now, what she said may seem baffling (why would a woman not want to be with a guy she perceives as "perfect?"), but it really is not if you understand that real female attraction is not practical, but emotional.

You could be the greatest guy in the world, and perfect for her, but if that spark she refers to is gone, there is nothing you can do to bring it back.

She has to bring it back. How? By experiencing life without you. Let her miss you. Let her wonder how you are, if you have moved on. She will remember the good times and she will think about you when some other guy treats her badly. But that is only if you drop all contact now and stop pressuring her, reasoning with her, and trying to win her back.

Remember: A woman's most fundamental (if unspoken) requirement of a man is that he be stronger than her, and need her less than she needs him.

Each time you contact her and try to win her back, it devalues you in both your and her eyes, and it makes her feel that she is stronger. She is going to be looking for a guy who is stronger than her.

It is possible that at some point down the line, if you stop reaching for her now, she will suddenly find herself wondering if she made a mistake.

You must move on with your life, date other women, maintain your mind and body, and achieve goals. She has to see that she was not your strength, but that you had an inner strength that let you move on from her and continue to let your life blossom.

Will she come back? Who knows. Do you want her to come back? That answer may not be as clear to you in the future either.

But you cannot live in fear that she will forget you. I promise, she will NOT forget you - but she WILL view you with either admiration or disgust. And by withdrawing and moving on with your life, you will at least be viewed with admiration. I would advise politely and calmly telling her that you regret the way things turned out but that you are moving on with your life, and think it is best that you two are not in contact. Wish her the best. If she feels you are being sincere, this will lay a positive foundation for her thoughts about you in the future. Remember, we tend to think about people from the basis of our last interaction with them. Make it a positive one.

So the bottom line is this: If you want her back, accept that there is nothing you can do now. This is not about action, it is about emotion. The damage is done and the relationship is over. Could it have been saved at some point? Yes. But that point is gone. My relationship also could have been saved, but I can only accept the grief that comes with knowing I did the wrong thing and learn from it. So letting go, ironically, is the only way you can ever have her back.


One last thing: I also went through this situation about 10 years ago. I was 18 and had a VERY intense (though misguided) relationship with this girl. I broke up with her and tried to get back together with her later. She acted interested at first but then changed her mind. She could tell that I had never let go of her. And what she told me was so interesting: "The only way to get me back is to let go of me." She understood about herself what I did not; women do not want a man that cannot live without them.
 
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Thanks mate, this helps a lot. I completely agree with what your saying, but when your hurt men become irrational. I realize that right now I can't get her back, but maybe in the future we will be together, or I will be strong enough to realise shes not right for me anyway and that I can do better. I just wish i'd handled the breakup differently.
 

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justanothernormalguy said:
...I just want her back really. Any advice would be much appreciated!
Yeah. Do not go back.

Of course you want her back. But she's not good for you. More like you're both not good for each other. You will just waste your time, money and effort.

Spin [a] new plate. Eventually you will forget her (or at least the pain will stop).
 
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The only problem, is because there is no way I can 'get back on the horse' until about a months time because of current exam commitments. Meaning that all I can do is wait, with nothing interesting or new in my life until I can start having fun. All my friends are very busy for this time as well because of exams so not much socialising is going on. The only other thing I have in my life is fighting, I do Muay Thai, Judo and MMA and am going to start competing early 2012 after about 3 years of training. But right now I dont have the time to be in the gym much either except for a weights gym close to where im living.
 

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Trust me, I know what you are going through. This girl I just lost is the only girl in my adult life that I've ever looked at and thought, "I see her in my future, as far as it goes." And I could have done things differently. But what is done is done and the worst thing you can do is go back and forth in your mind.

A lot of what you are feeling is just your ego and the pain of rejection. When you can truly accept this and take your ego out of the question, a lot of the pain will go away. I'm working on this now too.

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The only problem, is because there is no way I can 'get back on the horse' until about a months time because of current exam commitments.
Well, I am in the opposite situation. I am basically free 24/7 to do what I want. There are girls who are starting to show interest now that I'm single again. And I have friends who love to go party all throughout the week. I have been drinking, getting high, taking strippers to champagne rooms, flirting with girls, taking my boat out, going to the gym a little, and all the stuff that people will tell you will instantly heal you. Yet I'm still barely eating, barely sleeping, and all the "fun" stuff I'm doing feels empty.

Yes, it's important to dive back into life. But you will still feel empty, and honestly it is just going to take time and a lot of introspection. Anybody can go fvck some bar sluts or drown himself in a bottle to get over the pain of losing someone you want back, but you will never really solve the problem, just put a Band-Aid on it. To really solve it, you have to face your fears and question yourself, "Why is she having such an affect on me? Do I have my own unresolved issues? Was I basing my happiness too much on a woman? How do I define myself as a man? Where is my life going? If women didn't exist, how would my goals be different?"

Until you have answered the important questions, you will never be the man that she will want back, or that any other quality woman will be attracted to - not matter how much "fun" you have.
 
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haha your life sounds so fun and easy but also I can imagine you don't have anything driving you or distracting you from just thinking about your ex girlfriend. So you are never really fulfilled, you have everything, but what you can't have? I wont ask but I am basically assuming you to be this (made all his money in his 20's), living his life in his 30's type of guy. I admire the fact you have been able to step back and look and appreciate the situation and understand that these feelings will pass but its going to take time and it wont be an easy process.

Thing is, I have actually answered those questions and the reason I miss her so much is because she added stability in my life that I didn't necessarily have before. I feel my life is actually going to turn out for the better, I plan on going to a 'red brick' university next year and have enough contacts when I come out into the real world to get a decent job. But i'm still not sure that will completely fulfill me and dont quite know what I am looking for from life yet as the things that really get me passionate are very outdoorsy 'action man' type of things.
 

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Outwardly I appear to have the "perfect" life. But I am a prime example that happiness is something you have to discover in yourself; it has nothing to with externals (or women).

No one can deny that a woman's energy adds a LOT of necessary things into a man's life. But stability needs to come from yourself, not a woman.

If you find that you are suddenly motivated to go to school, get a promotion, go to the gym, or otherwise improve your life BECAUSE of a woman, that is not healthy. Those things need to come from YOU.

Women do offer us is an emotional and physical release that you CANNOT get in a gym, a night out with the boys, a skydiving trip, or a pill. But they cannot fulfill us in and of themselves.

You're young; she's young. You both have a lot of life left to live. You don't know what will happen in the future. Just move on on good terms, learn from your mistakes, improve yourself, and you will either find a woman that you are just as happy with, or end up winning her back... if you don't try to. :)
 
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you also have no idea how intrigued i am by your life, and im a dude! Girls must be swarming on you. Cheers for the advice it really helped and i think it will all turn out for the better.
 

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Very small personal experience:

Dated a girl 16-17...a bit over a year. She lost attraction for me, I realized it, called her on it (foolishly), she denied it then ended up cheating on me.

Instead of groveling, pleading, fighting, I just cut all contact with her and avoided her like the plague during school. Not some teary-eyed avoidance. I just pretended she was dead.

She still tries to talk to me a couple years later, whether it is out of pity or interest I don't know and I don't care. Maybe it was because I was a sweet boyfriend then detached in a second. Whatever the reason, I never want to see her again and she will stay out of my life PERMANENTLY.
 

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GET OVER IT AND MOVE IT THE F*CK ALONG!

"I punched a hole in the boat I was sailing on. I got off but for whatever reason I want to get back on to pitch water out of it EVEN THOUGH IT'S D*MN NEAR SUNK AND THERE ARE OTHER BOATS NEAR BY!"

That's what your story sounded like. Dead f*cking serious. The worst part is you didn't do any kind of self reflection to calm yourself before you jumped back into this. If she's over you then return the favor, focus on self improvement, then go out there and socialize the hell out of your scene.
 

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double x said:
She still tries to talk to me a couple years later, whether it is out of pity or interest I don't know and I don't care. Maybe it was because I was a sweet boyfriend then detached in a second. Whatever the reason, I never want to see her again and she will stay out of my life PERMANENTLY.
Good, my friend. Good.
 
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