What Chicks are worth....?

[Duffdog]

:kick:

Well thank you, now my afc days don't seem so bad...

I'm trying not to think about it. It was kind of weird to be walking through a parking lot going to a club and my friends would joke with me: "Hey Duffdog, isn't that your new Celica?"

grrrrrr...

 

[edger]

My point was that if you want to grow as a Man it would behoove you find women worthy of engaging on a level beyond just a load-drop.

Of course. If I ever do end up in another serious relationship with another woman, she has to be more than just a pretty face and hot body.

I know it comes off like I'm Captain Morality here defending the honor of all women, but my intent is to encourage MEN to act more honorably for their own sake and set higher standards for the company they keep. What guys fail to acknowledge is that shamelessly using the same girls they revile as slvts doent make them any better than the slvts themselves.

What is wrong with using an attractive woman soley for sexual gratification? It is natural, as natural as the need for food, water, air, etc. If you can prove in any way that it is wrong, then I will gladly dispell my stance.

The same as far as women are concerned, I don't regard promiscuous women as a negative entity. If anything, a promiscuous woman is a perfectly natural thing, and as such, revile it as something good/positive. What I DON'T revile as a positive quality in a woman, is a woman who cheats or plays games(attention wh*res). But as far as a promiscuous woman is concerned, who seriously gives a f*ck? Why does it matter, why are you so concerned about a woman who is sexually active(or has been) with multiple men? I don't get it. Aren't YOU(or don't you try to be)sexually active with as many attractive females as you possible can? Most men are like that, yet many of those same men, have the nerve to consider a woman who has many sexual partners, as "low quality". Doesn't make sense. You just have to remember something: There is nothing wrong with being sexually active with mulitple people, you are a freakin' human being, it is natural, as natural as the need for water, food, air, etc...as long as you do it responsibly, and don't mess around with people you know have diseases.

 

[STR8UP]

Women have boyfriends and girlfriends. If you're not ƒucking her, you're her girlfriend.

The implication that you are a pu$$y if you have female friends sends the wrong message to the guy who is no longer prone to AFC tendencies.

We've been over this before, and I think it's important for guys who aren't still in AFC land to realize that the whole caveman/girls are only good for one thing mentality is really only applicable to beginners and guys who can't keep their testosterone in check long enough to see the other value in having female friends.

We don't live in 1956 anymore. The whole male/female dynamic has changed. Society has changed. Although the idea that women are only good for one purpose might serve to keep a weaker man out of hot water, but it can also serve to hold a stronger man back.

Would things be better if we went back to the days when the men left the village to hunt and all of the women stayed behind and kept house and tended the garden? Possibly, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Might as well learn the "new" game as it applies today and use it to your advantage.

So, what exactly are you doing when you're hanging out? More talking perhaps? You see 'hanging out' is a nice general term, but you've got to be doing something, right? What is it that you do? Is there a difference in what you do with your same sex friends?

I do exactly the same things with the women I know that I do with my guy friends.

Of course the next thing a prepared AFC will trot out is 'common interests'. Common interest means a mutuality of interest; in other words she's into what you are and you're into what she is. Thus if you're into pro wrestling and muscle cars she must also be. If she's into painting her toenails and talking about cute boys on her bed on a Thursday night you must be also.

These are stereotypical male/female interests. What about common social gatherings such as grabbing sushi or a drink or having a barbecue or a pool party? Catching a movie? A man's life isn't 100% sports and farting and a woman's life isn't 100% shoe shopping and celebrity gossip.

Now that's black & white, but it comes back to what exactly it is you're doing together - as friends. You see, when two guys are into doing the same thing it's called 'common interest', but when a man and a woman enjoy the same thing it's called 'compatibility'.

This is assuming they are pursuing one another for sex or a relationship.

Another very common rationale AFCs like to use is the "sex by association" reasoning for befriending women. The idea behind this is that associating with one female "friend" will pivot into sex with another one of her friends. The assumption is that this "friend" is kind of like having a letter of recommendation for a guy to hook up with another one of her friends. The premise is ridiculous in itself, but as convenient as this may seem the notion is loaded with inconsistencies.

Again, you have to make a distinction between who this applies to. An AFC I can certainly see rationalizing in this way, but when you have progressed as a man, it isn't a rationalization, it's a reality. I can't tell you how much play I've gotten through competition anxiety and "referrals", if you will.

My social circles are an absolute goldmine. I didn't have very many female friends when I was a chump, now I have many.

More often than not guys will justify agreeing to a LJBF rejection from the girl they wanted to get with by using this excuse.

This is something that is non-negotiable. If you are ever rejected by a woman, you BAIL. No if and or buts. Everything will absolutely work AGAINST you if you have been branded as "safe".

A common AFC mistake is to think that friendship will lead to sex.

That's why if you have any more than a passing desire to fukk her, it's a no-go.

Finally, to complete the circle here, all of this leads up to understanding that your female friend will NEVER be one of your guy friends. This silly notion is founded on the expectation that your female friend will hold the same interests and have the same reactions that your male friends will. Women are never going to be your wingmen.

Women friends will never be a guy friend, and I don't want them to be. They exist on another plane. They aren't "buddies" and they aren't "targets". They are there for your amusement and to provide social lubrication that has the potential to reap great rewards.

Will you experience some c0ckblocking? Sometimes. Drama? Possibly, but all you have to do is walk away. All in all it's a winning situation for a man who knows how to handle it properly.

And as for women never being your wingman...I would have to disagree. They might be an unintentional wingman, but nothing short of rock star status can trump the social proof from being around other women who have at least a passing interest in you.

One of the great downfalls of men today is too much female influence in their lives, to the point that it's become a social stigma. Beware the guy with too many, or exclusively female friends. This might make for the plot of stupid movies, but most women are wary of guys with so many female friends that they question their being able to relate with and be Men.

I agree with the fact that there is too much female influence and that a guy needs to have male friends as well. I don't think it is nearly as stigmatized by women as you think it is though.

Really, if a guy ONLY has women friends, chances are he's gay, so it's a moot point.

 

[STR8UP]

The same as far as women are concerned, I don't regard promiscuous women as a negative entity. If anything, a promiscuous woman is a perfectly natural thing, and as such, revile it as something good/positive. What I DON'T revile as a positive quality in a woman, is a woman who cheats or plays games(attention wh*res). But as far as a promiscuous woman is concerned, who seriously gives a f*ck? Why does it matter, why are you so concerned about a woman who is sexually active(or has been) with multiple men? I don't get it. Aren't YOU(or don't you try to be)sexually active with as many attractive females as you possible can? Most men are like that, yet many of those same men, have the nerve to consider a woman who has many sexual partners, as "low quality". Doesn't make sense. You just have to remember something: There is nothing wrong with being sexually active with mulitple people, you are a freakin' human being, it is natural, as natural as the need for water, food, air, etc...as long as you do it responsibly, and don't mess around with people you know have diseases.

It is actually understandable for guys to view it in this way from a biological standpoint, but in today's world it is more a function of a man not being able to recognize a somewhat "outdated" emotional reaction.

In today's world, how much value does chastity have? Most men don't expect their wife to be a virgin, so what's the difference whether you are #3 or #30? What is an acceptable number? I've been with two women who have only had one sexual partner before me, and they both turned out to be as big or bigger wh0res than the ones who I suspected of having dozens of partners.

There is something to be said for the argument that a woman who has had more sexual partners might be more likely to engage in undesirable behaviors, but if you lay it out in black and white it's quite easy to see the complete lack of reasoning behind guy's obsession with a woman's sexual past. So she tells you she's been with 3 guys. Is she lying? Did she count all of the *******s she gave to the guys on the football team? What is she tells you "28"? She isn't likely to lie about a number like that. Wouldn't it say something about her character that she was willing to tell the truth?

Guys will jerk themselves over this till the end of time, but it's fukking stupid.

 

[edger]

It is actually understandable for guys to view it in this way from a biological standpoint

How so?

 

[STR8UP]

How so?

From a biological standpoint it is not in a man's best interest to commit resources to promiscuous females. I know it is all based upon a woman's word (which is often a lie) and how society perceives her (which can also be untrue) but at the end of the day if you are a guy you want to be with the woman with the least chance of getting preggo by some other dude so you don't end up raising someone elses kid(s).

Today we have birth control, women who don't necessarily WANT kids, etc., but anything that increases your chances of losing the genetic lottery is still bad news when it comes to choosing a mate.

I know that a lot of it is bullshiznit due to women's propensity to lie (this is exactly WHY they lie- they know that the stakes are so high), but all in all a man is going to be inclined to seek out a woman with less sexual experience.

Of course this does not apply to women who you do not devote resources to (pump and dump). This is where it doesn't make any sense for men to care about how many men a woman has slept with. The STD argument is weak and other than that it shouldn't so much matter, but men still bemoan promiscuous women while high-fiving their buddies when they find one.

A lot of this has to do with men feeling the need to delude themselves. They want to THINK that it is the innocent angel who is giving it up just for them. In reality it is nothing more than a fantasy, but I suppose it helps some guys get through life, so whatever....

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

The implication that you are a pu$$y if you have female friends sends the wrong message to the guy who is no longer prone to AFC tendencies.

The topic of inter-gender friendship is always going to be one of these debates where guys with close ties to women they consider friends are going to get their fur up when another guy calls the validity of that friendship into question - even casually, but especially in general. On practically any thread I post about "friends" the automatic assumption is that it's an either / or proposition. Either your a chump for entertaining the idea that you can have an equitable friendship with a woman OR you're a 50's neanderthal with an outdated mentality about women.

So let me clear the air a bit here. My position is not one that you cannot have a friendship with a woman - obviously you can - my position is that this friendship is never going to be an equitable one with friendships you have with other men. Inter-gender friendships will ALWAYS be initiated, mitigated and limited in the context of sexuality. The fact that guys will resort to binary terms when presenting criticism for an opposite point of view illustrates that the root of this misunderstanding. And that misunderstanding lies in a Complimentary ideology of gender roles versus an Egalitarian equality view.

You can have a read (lower paragraphs) of how I explain this in that link, but what you're doing STR8 is applying this conflict of Complimentary vs. Egalitarianism to the realm of inter-gender friendship. The stereotype is to cast the complimentary POV as being anachronistic and outmoded, however that same complimentarianism is based on the biology of what I think we both agree upon. Egalitarian equality would have us believe we've moved on to a better, equitable, homogenous relation between the sexes, but as in most things human, our biology and the proclivity it prompts us with makes us liars. Point in case:

Women have boyfriends and girlfriends. If you're not ƒucking her, you're her girlfriend.

I use this a lot. Some guys identify with it, others assume it's an insult. So lets clarify it; when I say "If you're not ƒucking her, you're her girlfriend", it's not that a guy is necessarily an AFC or a pussie if he is her 'girlfriend'. It's not the guy who makes himself a 'girlfriend' - it's her, the female friend that does so. This is HER attitude, not his. You see, when you ask both a man and a woman, "can men and women be friends" you'll get 2 different answers. They'll sound the same, and they'll agree, but each sex will be answering in the affirmative from different perspectives. They'll both agree for the same egalitarian, non-neanderthal reasoning, but both genders approach friendships differently. So when I say "you're her girlfriend", you literally are her girlfriend because her same sex friendships serve as the model for friendship to her.

With regard to inter-gender friendship, men's biggest mistake is in assuming that women initiate friendships for the same reason men do. And how often does that happen? Women initiating a completely platonic friendship with a guy? We tend to see things from a male-centric mentality, similar to the mistake we make in assuming women should operate rationally rather than emotionally.

 

[Colossus]

Why does it matter, why are you so concerned about a woman who is sexually active(or has been) with multiple men? I don't get it.

We've gotten off on a tangent here, but that's not the point. There is no way I can (or would want to) ever know the explicit sexual past of a girl I'm seeing, unless it affects my health.
I have no business judging women harshly when I have been with 30+ women myself.

What I'm saying is that some women just exhibit horish behavior, and these arent the type I want to knowingly associate with...even if it means passing on a free lay. We can get into the semantics of what "horish" behavior actually is, but you know what I mean.

Aren't YOU(or don't you try to be)sexually active with as many attractive females as you possible can?

Not necessarily. There was a time when I definitely was, but I'm not as ruled by my sexuality as I was in my teens and early twenties.

Several reasons: If I DID hit up every opportunity I have to lay an attractive female, not only would it start to wear me down mentally, but I would be risking my health as well. I have other things in my life that are MUCH more important than getting laid, so I have put those first. So as much as this saying is kind of a misnomer---it is quality over quantity. I sleep with women I actually WANT to rather than any HB6 or above who will drop her panties.

 

[FreeMan1971]

Female friends have been invaluable to me over the years. I started dating very quickly after my wife and I split years ago. The first three women that I dated I LJBF'd because they wanted to move more quickly than I felt comfortable with. These women are still very close friends and have gotten me dates/laid more often than I can count.

One thing with female friends: As a general rule, the reason why you wouldn't date them will be the reason why you won't want to seriously date their friends. One of my best friends, for example, is loyal and fun. She has great character, (as far as women go,) and we have a great reciprocal relationship. BUT...
She is a silent treatment woman. I watch her with men and she is a **** communicator. She gets in the way of getting what she wants from men. Her friends are generally the same. Etc...
Another always spins LTR plates, two or three, (for the men, at least,) committed relationships at a time. Her friends are the same. Etc...

So, in a sense, women friends are great to learn more about women if you know how to read between the lines and you aren't some schmuck harboring a secret desire. The possibility of any successful LTRs with their any of their friends can generally be predicted by what you know about the particular woman friend, however.

 

[jophil28]

She is a silent treatment woman. I watch her with men and she is a **** communicator. She gets in the way of getting what she wants from men. Her friends are generally the same. Etc...
Another always spins LTR plates, two or three, (for the men, at least,) committed relationships at a time. Her friends are the same. Etc...

Would any of those women be open to hearing that their behavior is self-defeating ?

 

[STR8UP]

So let me clear the air a bit here. My position is not one that you cannot have a friendship with a woman - obviously you can - my position is that this friendship is never going to be an equitable one with friendships you have with other men.

Define "equitable".

ALL relationships are conditional and adversarial at their core. Your stance implies that sexual tension makes for a bad relationship. I wholeheartedly disagree. I think a little sexual tension makes for the perfect relationship. Much like a man needs to maintain competition anxiety in a mate, it also serves to keep female companions on their toes, even if you aren't screwing them. They can do great things for you socially if they are kept in limbo with no implication of exclusivity for your time.

Egalitarian equality would have us believe we've moved on to a better, equitable, homogenous relation between the sexes, but as in most things human, our biology and the proclivity it prompts us with makes us liars.

You are missing the point.

I'm not saying that it's one or the other, it's somewhere in between. It's a new type of relationship that has risen from the ashes of the modern feminist agenda. We now have the ABILITY to befriend women that have the potential to help us achieve social goals. What I am essentially doing is filing all of these Sex in the City rejects into the proper slot- MY friend zone, which allows me to use them as a spring board to meet more desirable women.

There is no "homogenizing". That's where you are missing the point. It isn't about taking up women's interests. It's about bringing them into YOUR world on YOUR terms for YOUR benefit.

If I hadn't gotten so busy with work lately and lost some of the momentum I have with my social circles, I would say that you should come out with us one night and see what I'm talking about.

So when I say "you're her girlfriend", you literally are her girlfriend because her same sex friendships serve as the model for friendship to her.

When you say that you are her "girlfriend" it implies that you are a chump. It isn't black and white like that. There is a middle ground.

A woman sees a man in one of three ways. She either;

1) desperately wants him

2) has her eye on him as a potential interest (she sees him as a sexual being)

or

3) has ZERO sexual interest....not a snowballs chance in hell you will ever see her naked

The best category to be in with a female friend is #2. You have VALUE, but she isn't so obsessed with you that she is going to block your c0ck at every turn (unless she's insecure).

With regard to inter-gender friendship, men's biggest mistake is in assuming that women initiate friendships for the same reason men do. And how often does that happen? Women initiating a completely platonic friendship with a guy? We tend to see things from a male-centric mentality, similar to the mistake we make in assuming women should operate rationally rather than emotionally.

I don't care why she wants to be friends- all I care about is the fact that she doesn't see me as a chump. If she looks at me like that I lose. If she has any sort of attraction I win. That's all I care about.

Your POV centers too much around what a WOMAN gets from the interaction and not what a man can get. It assumes that unless the guy is getting pussie from that particular woman, he is wasting his time.

It's kind of like investing. You don't have to dig into the principal to get a benefit....you can collect a dividend that is of greater benefit. The goose that lays the golden egg.

Why would you give that up?

 

[Luthor Rex]

I have exactly two female friends, both of them have the same things in common:

1.) They are obese and are completely not sexually attractive (to anyone, which is probably why they are single).

2.) They think more like a guy. In fact, they have such a "male mind" that they have been accused of being lesbians.

It's these two qualities which have given me the only honest female friends I've ever had. Well maybe they want to jump me for all I know (but I doubt it).

 

[Jeffst1980]

The implication that you are a pu$$y if you have female friends sends the wrong message to the guy who is no longer prone to AFC tendencies.

We've been over this before, and I think it's important for guys who aren't still in AFC land to realize that the whole caveman/girls are only good for one thing mentality is really only applicable to beginners and guys who can't keep their testosterone in check long enough to see the other value in having female friends.

We don't live in 1956 anymore. The whole male/female dynamic has changed. Society has changed. Although the idea that women are only good for one purpose might serve to keep a weaker man out of hot water, but it can also serve to hold a stronger man back.

Would things be better if we went back to the days when the men left the village to hunt and all of the women stayed behind and kept house and tended the garden? Possibly, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Might as well learn the "new" game as it applies today and use it to your advantage.



I do exactly the same things with the women I know that I do with my guy friends.



These are stereotypical male/female interests. What about common social gatherings such as grabbing sushi or a drink or having a barbecue or a pool party? Catching a movie? A man's life isn't 100% sports and farting and a woman's life isn't 100% shoe shopping and celebrity gossip.



This is assuming they are pursuing one another for sex or a relationship.



Again, you have to make a distinction between who this applies to. An AFC I can certainly see rationalizing in this way, but when you have progressed as a man, it isn't a rationalization, it's a reality. I can't tell you how much play I've gotten through competition anxiety and "referrals", if you will.

My social circles are an absolute goldmine. I didn't have very many female friends when I was a chump, now I have many.



This is something that is non-negotiable. If you are ever rejected by a woman, you BAIL. No if and or buts. Everything will absolutely work AGAINST you if you have been branded as "safe".



That's why if you have any more than a passing desire to fukk her, it's a no-go.



Women friends will never be a guy friend, and I don't want them to be. They exist on another plane. They aren't "buddies" and they aren't "targets". They are there for your amusement and to provide social lubrication that has the potential to reap great rewards.

Will you experience some c0ckblocking? Sometimes. Drama? Possibly, but all you have to do is walk away. All in all it's a winning situation for a man who knows how to handle it properly.

And as for women never being your wingman...I would have to disagree. They might be an unintentional wingman, but nothing short of rock star status can trump the social proof from being around other women who have at least a passing interest in you.



I agree with the fact that there is too much female influence and that a guy needs to have male friends as well. I don't think it is nearly as stigmatized by women as you think it is though.

Really, if a guy ONLY has women friends, chances are he's gay, so it's a moot point.

I agree with this, with one caveat: A male/female friendship will, by necessity, reach a point where it must either undergo a major change or be terminated.

I have a lot of female acquaintances. They come to events that I host and hang out, and they invite me to parties and introduce me to people. It's a pretty beneficial setup socially. However, I have a girlfriend, and because of this, I'm not going to hang out with them one on one because that might raise a few eyebrows. . . just as Married guys don't hang out one-on-one with other guys' wives. There are boundaries in male/ female friendships that don't exist between male/ male friendships.

For a single guy, though, it's perfectly fine to have platonic friendships with a girl if you're not trying to get in her pants. I have a lot of common interests with my female friends, and these interests do not include shopping for shoes.

Bringing a female friend to a social gathering is great social proof, and usually, she'll be all about helping you pick up girls. If all your friends are dudes, you're gonna eventually run into some problems with pickup. Rolling into a place with a crew of 8 dudes reeks of desperation, but throw a few females into the mix and you've got a party.

As I said before, just be prepared that any perceived "deep" friendship with a girl will end when she gets a boyfriend. Keep friendships with girls relatively light and you'll be able to keep her on as an acquaintance later.

 

[Tazman]

I have exactly two female friends, both of them have the same things in common:

1.) They are obese and are completely not sexually attractive (to anyone, which is probably why they are single).

2.) They think more like a guy. In fact, they have such a "male mind" that they have been accused of being lesbians.

It's these two qualities which have given me the only honest female friends I've ever had. Well maybe they want to jump me for all I know (but I doubt it).

This makes perfect sense. I've also had great conversations with lesbians (of the butch variety) because they think in similar ways to men. I was intrigued because the conversation was actually interesting to me, and that's extremely rare when talking to women.

I haven't ever talked to a straight, feminine woman in such a way, they just don't think on that kind of plane. The only thing most straight women like talking about is gossip on other people or just fluff that I could care less about.

 

[Colossus]

As I said before, just be prepared that any perceived "deep" friendship with a girl will end when she gets a boyfriend. Keep friendships with girls relatively light and you'll be able to keep her on as an acquaintance later.

This is a very wise observation, and it really highlights the difference between male and female friendships.

I'll give an anecdote: I have this friend, we'll call her Nikki. Nikki is my best female friend, I have known her since college. We go hiking or camping together frequently, and it works pretty well because we both enjoy it, and finding a consistent hiking/climbing buddy isn't easy.
Like most of my female friendships, Nikki has always liked me as more than a friend, although she would never admit it. She is very jealous--she never likes the girls I date, she has HATED my past girlfriends, and we have had several blowouts from related incidents that resulted in months of not talking to each other.
Now, we're at a relatively comfortable point in our friendship where it's like a brother/sister dynamic. Even though she still might accept an advance from me, she dates other guys and we live our own lives.
But I KNOW that once she gets a serious boyfriend the "friendship" is essentially over. It's not that we wont still talk to each other or even occasionally hang out, but there will be no more camping, no more hikes, no more her coming down to crash at my place on the weekend.

For the record, I have never slept with, or even kissed Nikki. Never wanted to. She is moderately attractive.

So if there is one thing I have learned in life it's that male-female relationships are fragile by nature...they can be gone in a second; whether they be romantic, sexual, or platonic.

 

[STR8UP]

Like most of my female friendships, Nikki has always liked me as more than a friend, although she would never admit it. She is very jealous--she never likes the girls I date, she has HATED my past girlfriends, and we have had several blowouts from related incidents that resulted in months of not talking to each other.

Essentially, it's a reverse friend zone kind of thing.

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. It works great for women to garner male attention from a LJBF, and it works great for a man because he gets social proof from a LJBF.

This is why I disagree with Rollo's stance. FRom an AFC perspective it's right on. From a man who isn't controlled by his desire for a particular woman, it is inapplicable.

But I KNOW that once she gets a serious boyfriend the "friendship" is essentially over. It's not that we wont still talk to each other or even occasionally hang out, but there will be no more camping, no more hikes, no more her coming down to crash at my place on the weekend.

I have no illusions that my friendships with women are lifelong bonds incapable of being broken. Make no mistake- the woman is using you as much or more than you are using her. We just don't CALL it "using each other".

When she finds a squeeze, she will squeeze you out. Firstly because she no longer has any use for you, secondly because people tend to gravitate away from friendships (even some same sex friendships) they get into a relationship, plus the issue of respect for their mate.

 

[jophil28]

So if there is one thing I have learned in life it's that male-female relationships are fragile by nature...they can be gone in a second; whether they be romantic, sexual, or platonic.

Curiously, female-female relationships seem to survive the turmoil and the back stabbing that is common in those relationships.

 

[jophil28]

I have no illusions that my friendships with women are lifelong bonds incapable of being broken. Make no mistake- the woman is using you as much or more than you are using her. We just don't CALL it "using each other".

Yes, indeed.
Those relationships do not really meet the test of true friendships. They could be more correctly described as 'relationships of temporary convenience '.

 

[Luthor Rex]

Curiously, female-female relationships seem to survive the turmoil and the back stabbing that is common in those relationships.

I think it's because so many women are fvcked up in the head. Seriously.

I once knew a woman who remained friends with another woman who repeatedly 'stole' her boyfriends. I told her "if she's going to steal your boyfriend, then she's not your friend."

But here is what I think us men don't get: the women who stay in relationships with other women like that actually don't view men as people. If a guy stole a beer from another guy friend that might make them upset, but it probably won't end the relationship.

Well women view men with about the same kind of value as a man might view a beer, so if a woman is friends with a woman who who will steal her boyfriend then it's because the theft isn't that big of a deal. If stealing another woman's boyfriend has a much jovial fun as a man taking a friend's beer, if it has the same emotional impact, then of course the two women will remain friends. In the grand scheme of things it's no big deal if you steal a glass with some liquid in it from me.

 

[jophil28]

if a woman is friends with a woman who who will steal her boyfriend then it's because the theft isn't that big of a deal.

Geez, now that you put it that way...

Perhaps it could also be said this way.. The loss of a boyfriend is judged to be less than the loss of a girlfriend even if that girlfriend just shafted her friend.

The sisterhood in action ?