What can good-looks do that a personality can not?
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KC was correct, when he said that people in general view goodlooking people as trustworthy, talented, interesting, etc.
Hasn't life destroyed this silly notion yet?
Ted Bundy was a successful serial killer because he was goodlooking (at least for his era).
But fortunately we're also hardwired with a brain, that can override illogicial impulses. Do with it what you will.
I'm average looking, but so is the majority of the population.
Even average looking people outnumber ugly people (it's called average for a reason).
When you grade on a scale from 1 to 10, I take a 1 to mean a genetic mutant, and 10 to represent sheer genetic perfection.
So what does average represent to most people, 5? If that's the case, I'd argue 8's to be rare. Good looking is rare.
Having goodlooking parents doesn't mean your going to be goodlooking. Having ugly parents doesn't mean your going to be ugly, it just means it's likely. But either way, goodlooking isn't something that's common (if by goodlooking we're talking about above average). It also doesn't mean HEALTHY.
If the evolution of humanity truly reflected what women supposedly want from men, all men would be toned, good-looking and have huge sausages. As we know that's not the case. Even factoring out all ugly women (and it's well documented even goodlooking guys will stoop), goodlooking, etc would still be more common than it is, because these super breeding alpha males would populate the planet.
From my experience goodlooking guys tend to squander their talent. The lower they are on the socio-economic ladder, the more wasteful their lives are (I said tend, folks). Most of them tend to be lazy, and have a steady supply of 5's. The bigger the disparities between looks, the more attached the ugly one tends to be (same applies with guys). They also tend to knock these women up and are glorified by their average looking friends, because their so ALPHA.
Most of you on here are say 5's. All of you are trying to pull higher than your alloted number in life.
Would you sweat me if was say a 6 and pulled a steady supply of 3 or 4s? You wouldn't? why? I know.
Goodlooking guys are pulling from the biggest pool there is, the ones me and you fish at, the average pool. They were just born with bass boats and high tech gear, while the rest of us are stranded on the shore with our cane poles. I'm not mad at goodlooking people, in my experience I notice they tend to waste their talent, such as it were. And yes they unjustly have more room for error and such, than you or I.
I hear alot about the "ugly guy with the beautiful girl", but i see just as many "goodlooking guys with ugly girls".
Spikes partly right imo. Goodlooking will get you in the door and is a big advantage, but your more likely to end up with a clingy immature girl (who is below you in numerical value) wanting you to sign the birth certificate. Why? Because.........
A.) she views you as an asset, and by that I mean a trophy
B.) goodlooking guys have it easy when it comes to average looking women, so they rarely put forth effort.
Hasn't life destroyed this silly notion yet?
Ted Bundy was a successful serial killer because he was goodlooking (at least for his era).
But fortunately we're also hardwired with a brain, that can override illogicial impulses. Do with it what you will.
I'm average looking, but so is the majority of the population.
Even average looking people outnumber ugly people (it's called average for a reason).
When you grade on a scale from 1 to 10, I take a 1 to mean a genetic mutant, and 10 to represent sheer genetic perfection.
So what does average represent to most people, 5? If that's the case, I'd argue 8's to be rare. Good looking is rare.
Having goodlooking parents doesn't mean your going to be goodlooking. Having ugly parents doesn't mean your going to be ugly, it just means it's likely. But either way, goodlooking isn't something that's common (if by goodlooking we're talking about above average). It also doesn't mean HEALTHY.
If the evolution of humanity truly reflected what women supposedly want from men, all men would be toned, good-looking and have huge sausages. As we know that's not the case. Even factoring out all ugly women (and it's well documented even goodlooking guys will stoop), goodlooking, etc would still be more common than it is, because these super breeding alpha males would populate the planet.
From my experience goodlooking guys tend to squander their talent. The lower they are on the socio-economic ladder, the more wasteful their lives are (I said tend, folks). Most of them tend to be lazy, and have a steady supply of 5's. The bigger the disparities between looks, the more attached the ugly one tends to be (same applies with guys). They also tend to knock these women up and are glorified by their average looking friends, because their so ALPHA.
Most of you on here are say 5's. All of you are trying to pull higher than your alloted number in life.
Would you sweat me if was say a 6 and pulled a steady supply of 3 or 4s? You wouldn't? why? I know.
Goodlooking guys are pulling from the biggest pool there is, the ones me and you fish at, the average pool. They were just born with bass boats and high tech gear, while the rest of us are stranded on the shore with our cane poles. I'm not mad at goodlooking people, in my experience I notice they tend to waste their talent, such as it were. And yes they unjustly have more room for error and such, than you or I.
I hear alot about the "ugly guy with the beautiful girl", but i see just as many "goodlooking guys with ugly girls".
Spikes partly right imo. Goodlooking will get you in the door and is a big advantage, but your more likely to end up with a clingy immature girl (who is below you in numerical value) wanting you to sign the birth certificate. Why? Because.........
A.) she views you as an asset, and by that I mean a trophy
B.) goodlooking guys have it easy when it comes to average looking women, so they rarely put forth effort.
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i posted somewhere around this forum last week saying that we shouldn't focus on looks and such. well i read "The psychology of persuasion" from Cialdini. this guy shows that we are attracted to good looks. and especially the girls. read the section about newly born babies attracted to the goodlooking ones.
so looks does matter. that's proven scientifically guys.
OK. that was good to know.
however, as a man, i won't change anything in my lifestyle. i refuse to react to people's reactions and adapt my behavior to how other will think of me. out of question. and i'd stick to my principle which is being clean, having clothes that fits&suit you, taking care about my body by practising *sports* ... and that's all. no damn metrosexual makeup, fancy colors, sparks...
so looks does matter. that's proven scientifically guys.
OK. that was good to know.
however, as a man, i won't change anything in my lifestyle. i refuse to react to people's reactions and adapt my behavior to how other will think of me. out of question. and i'd stick to my principle which is being clean, having clothes that fits&suit you, taking care about my body by practising *sports* ... and that's all. no damn metrosexual makeup, fancy colors, sparks...
MysteryWoman
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My final comment to the looks debate, I came here because I am sick they way a few guys on this site completely generalise all women to be the same.
Yes you do see beautiful women end up with ugly guys.
I have seen many handsome guys end up with not all that great looking girls.
Some guys have a fetish for fat women and go to fat clubs to seek them out and have sex with them (suprisingly a lot of these guys happen to be slim and average looking, who refuse to openly admit to their friends). Also in night clubs I see many handsome guys getting off (kissing in English slang, don't know about American) with not always that great looking girls, whilst in this Environment a beautiful woman will nearly always a choose a handsome guy. Obviously this is an unconscious form of Evolution behaviour, where a handsome guy can afford to pass on his genes to his less than ideal looking woman (as long as he doesn't have to raise the children with her).
And men are suppose to be always looks orientated?
Interesting arguement about how two good looking parents and give birth to an average looking child. Suppose a boy and girl are born with average looks to rich parents, in their teens their parents pay fortunes on them to have cosmetic surgery. By their twenties they both look like candidates for vogue magazine. One they get together and have children. Of course there is a high chance that the children will not turn out beautiful, because originally their parents where not genetically made this way. Thats the thing about Evolution there is a huge percentage of beautiful men and women out there who were not naturally born that way, so therefore finding a good looking man or good looking woman does not guarentee that good genes will be passed on.
Yes you do see beautiful women end up with ugly guys.
I have seen many handsome guys end up with not all that great looking girls.
Some guys have a fetish for fat women and go to fat clubs to seek them out and have sex with them (suprisingly a lot of these guys happen to be slim and average looking, who refuse to openly admit to their friends). Also in night clubs I see many handsome guys getting off (kissing in English slang, don't know about American) with not always that great looking girls, whilst in this Environment a beautiful woman will nearly always a choose a handsome guy. Obviously this is an unconscious form of Evolution behaviour, where a handsome guy can afford to pass on his genes to his less than ideal looking woman (as long as he doesn't have to raise the children with her).
And men are suppose to be always looks orientated?
Interesting arguement about how two good looking parents and give birth to an average looking child. Suppose a boy and girl are born with average looks to rich parents, in their teens their parents pay fortunes on them to have cosmetic surgery. By their twenties they both look like candidates for vogue magazine. One they get together and have children. Of course there is a high chance that the children will not turn out beautiful, because originally their parents where not genetically made this way. Thats the thing about Evolution there is a huge percentage of beautiful men and women out there who were not naturally born that way, so therefore finding a good looking man or good looking woman does not guarentee that good genes will be passed on.
Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.
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+ They have bad confidence
+ they have bad selfimage
+ they have no game
+ they take what they get.
+ they have bad selfimage
+ they have no game
+ they take what they get.
I dont get this post. R u talking about why good looking guys date average girls?
I am not too bad looking, some would say good, haha. I have to say, I am very shallow and only date cute girls (there has to be the initial physical attraction for a relationship to work with any girl, in my mind anyways). However if I am drunk, I have been known to get with a not so good looking chick every now and then. As I cant even see what they look like and dont remember half the time! I am only told by friends the next day.
Le Parisien
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YES!!! YES!!! & YES!!!
And vice versa...
And vice versa...
looks do help incredibly, but HB 9's and 10's will not necessarily approach a guy just on the looks he's gotta have some social proof too.
Another thing to remember - when a woman see's a hot guy he has INSTANT social proof because she is already thinking "I bet this guy has pleased a hundred women before me he could have whoever he wanted". She PREMATURELY builds up his alpha status without him having to do a damn thing!
Its not hard to improve your looks, just get a tan, get a good haircut, wear fashionable clothes and hit the gym. These are the easy things to do, the hard stuff is the DJ stuff!
Another thing to remember - when a woman see's a hot guy he has INSTANT social proof because she is already thinking "I bet this guy has pleased a hundred women before me he could have whoever he wanted". She PREMATURELY builds up his alpha status without him having to do a damn thing!
Its not hard to improve your looks, just get a tan, get a good haircut, wear fashionable clothes and hit the gym. These are the easy things to do, the hard stuff is the DJ stuff!
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Yes!....
Several incidents have led me to believe this, especially from the last couple of days which have been pretty surreal and have proven this topic in several ways true.
Several incidents have led me to believe this, especially from the last couple of days which have been pretty surreal and have proven this topic in several ways true.
I wouldn't classify myself as a hot guy by any means but I have attracted a number of hot girls as often as I have been rejected by them . The attraction usually happened when i was aloof and didn't care for them. Attitude is everything. Desperation will kill your game faster than your looks (or lack thereof).
well i have absolutely no idea how goodlooking i am and i don't know what makes a guy goodlooking in the first place. i have a ripped body and i know that goes down very nicely, but don't know about my face
i personally believe that personality means fvck all with most girls over here. most just seem to lack depth. i'm probably generalising far too much but that's the way i see it
i personally believe that personality means fvck all with most girls over here. most just seem to lack depth. i'm probably generalising far too much but that's the way i see it
I have another little take on this subject, but save starting a new thread I thought I'd raise it here.
Do you think your looks or your personality determine the type and age group of women that go for you?
I'm certainly not stunning, but I appear to have a very general appeal to women. I get interest from all age groups (from teenagers to women in their 50s), all races and social groups. I get interest from sweet innocent girls and *****es, bimbos and intellectuals, average/ugly girls and exceptionally hot babes. I even get guys hit on me.
I'm above average in terms of looks and I get a lot of women say I'm way above average, but I honestly believe that my general appeal is down to my personality and charisma more than my looks.
I have women approach me from time to time, but strangers don't flock around me and I don't turn every girl's head as I walk past. But as soon as I get to know people, they're all over me.
Apparently, my ex-girlfriend's housemates rarely spoke to her, but when I started hanging round, they barely gave us a minute's peace and suddenly became her best friend. My friend also told me that the only time he sees his sister is when I'm around.
I'm curious if anyone else gets this and how you would explain it.
Do you think your looks or your personality determine the type and age group of women that go for you?
I'm certainly not stunning, but I appear to have a very general appeal to women. I get interest from all age groups (from teenagers to women in their 50s), all races and social groups. I get interest from sweet innocent girls and *****es, bimbos and intellectuals, average/ugly girls and exceptionally hot babes. I even get guys hit on me.
I'm above average in terms of looks and I get a lot of women say I'm way above average, but I honestly believe that my general appeal is down to my personality and charisma more than my looks.
I have women approach me from time to time, but strangers don't flock around me and I don't turn every girl's head as I walk past. But as soon as I get to know people, they're all over me.
Apparently, my ex-girlfriend's housemates rarely spoke to her, but when I started hanging round, they barely gave us a minute's peace and suddenly became her best friend. My friend also told me that the only time he sees his sister is when I'm around.
I'm curious if anyone else gets this and how you would explain it.
MysteryWoman, you are so wrong that is not even funny.
I could go on. But I think I've made my point. Women and men are not all that different. When someone sees a goodlooking person, he or she is not usually thinking about his or her future children. They are thinking about themselves. They are wondering how good the sex will be or how being seen with this goodlooking person will improve their status. But in the end, not everyone can get the goodlooking guy/girl. For those that do, they will soon realize that a greatlooking guy or girl is not all it's crack up to be. That's why personality triumphs in the end because if you don't like the person that you are seeing, you will be lead a very sad life.
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MysteryWoman
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Well, If I ask you guys for a 'fun to fun' favor, could you please maybe try to?
Well here is the favor or 'experiment' :
OPTION (Choose one please) :
One : Go to places and check to see any guys hanging out with women. Then try to interview or give a little 'study' around them and see what they are doing.
Two : Bring a really good-looking guy friend and ask him to approach a woman and see their re-action. Then bring someone who is well... below decent? looking and try an approach. See which impression is better.
Well here is the favor or 'experiment' :
OPTION (Choose one please) :
One : Go to places and check to see any guys hanging out with women. Then try to interview or give a little 'study' around them and see what they are doing.
Two : Bring a really good-looking guy friend and ask him to approach a woman and see their re-action. Then bring someone who is well... below decent? looking and try an approach. See which impression is better.
