DJ_in_making
Master Don Juan
This is a serious question, feminists are trying to give an advancement for women, but what exactly are they trying to accomplish? What kind of equal rights do they want? I'm actually very confused.
what are women fighting for?
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IMO ...
Ideally, they want a gender-blind world, where a woman is allowed to do anything a man can do and does not receive condescending special treatment and is not oppressed or deprived in any way - equal opportunity and equal treatment.
They're against double standards: men can sleep around but women can't, etc.; against fixed gender roles: men work while women take care of the home, etc.; and against social conditioning: men are supposed to be "masculine" while women are supposed to be "feminine", and instead want all women to be able to choose who and what they will be.
In practice, since the sexes are clearly not equal, but instead have different and distinct strengths and weaknesses, they've become in favor of things like quotas and reduced standards.
They encounter systems and standards that evolved or were designed with men and men's goals in mind - everything from physical requirements through social mores to capitalist competition - and since the average woman is ill-suited or simply incapable of participating in them, they demand that the systems be changed to allow women to have a chance to succeed.
Feminism has also obviously been corrupted by extremism (female chauvinist pigs who think women should rule the world and see men as little more than beasts of burden or barbarians that need to be kept firmly in line) and conspiracy theories (the so-called "patriarchy", seeing the aforementioned man-centered systems as a conscious attempt by all men to oppress all women).
Just as they think they're liberating themselves from "arbitrary" standards and "artificial" stereotypes of femininity, they also think they're liberating men from masculinity, allowing us the freedom to be something other than the stereotypical "real man".
In trying to make room for the exception, however, they've ended up trying to turn the exception into the rule. They think that women should want more than to be wives and mothers and men shouldn't have to be all tough and macho all the time.
Ideally, they want a gender-blind world, where a woman is allowed to do anything a man can do and does not receive condescending special treatment and is not oppressed or deprived in any way - equal opportunity and equal treatment.
They're against double standards: men can sleep around but women can't, etc.; against fixed gender roles: men work while women take care of the home, etc.; and against social conditioning: men are supposed to be "masculine" while women are supposed to be "feminine", and instead want all women to be able to choose who and what they will be.
In practice, since the sexes are clearly not equal, but instead have different and distinct strengths and weaknesses, they've become in favor of things like quotas and reduced standards.
They encounter systems and standards that evolved or were designed with men and men's goals in mind - everything from physical requirements through social mores to capitalist competition - and since the average woman is ill-suited or simply incapable of participating in them, they demand that the systems be changed to allow women to have a chance to succeed.
Feminism has also obviously been corrupted by extremism (female chauvinist pigs who think women should rule the world and see men as little more than beasts of burden or barbarians that need to be kept firmly in line) and conspiracy theories (the so-called "patriarchy", seeing the aforementioned man-centered systems as a conscious attempt by all men to oppress all women).
Just as they think they're liberating themselves from "arbitrary" standards and "artificial" stereotypes of femininity, they also think they're liberating men from masculinity, allowing us the freedom to be something other than the stereotypical "real man".
In trying to make room for the exception, however, they've ended up trying to turn the exception into the rule. They think that women should want more than to be wives and mothers and men shouldn't have to be all tough and macho all the time.
DJ_in_making
Master Don Juan
Ok, you explained it well thank you.
But I don't think we're supposed to have all the same roles. Women and men are different physically, mentally and emotionally. IMO If there weren't supposed to be gender roles, we'd all be the same sex.
But I don't think we're supposed to have all the same roles. Women and men are different physically, mentally and emotionally. IMO If there weren't supposed to be gender roles, we'd all be the same sex.
Great Question
They want their cake and eat it too.
10-15 % are also fighting to have complete control over thier own lives, minds and bodies without need or help from a man.
In the process they think its okay to destroy anything or anyone to get what they want.
The first part represents a smaller percentage of soceity; the most highly educated ones with power and status and that includes, biitches in power like oprah fat-free, hillary clinton, martha stewart, etc!
The other 85-90 percent are brainless drones/ parrots who can't actually think for themselves, but they buy into the mass deception, lies, myths and distortions and this prototype includes the beautiful as well as the less attractive zaftig, types too.
Sayno'
They want their cake and eat it too.
10-15 % are also fighting to have complete control over thier own lives, minds and bodies without need or help from a man.
In the process they think its okay to destroy anything or anyone to get what they want.
The first part represents a smaller percentage of soceity; the most highly educated ones with power and status and that includes, biitches in power like oprah fat-free, hillary clinton, martha stewart, etc!
The other 85-90 percent are brainless drones/ parrots who can't actually think for themselves, but they buy into the mass deception, lies, myths and distortions and this prototype includes the beautiful as well as the less attractive zaftig, types too.
Sayno'
Most feminists probably don't want everybody to be the same; they're intelligent enough to know that men, women, and people are different, and would acknowledge that society needs to reflect this.
Their goal is an inclusive reflection, a system that allows people - men and women alike - who don't quite fit the "normal" molds for men and women, to still have a equal, free, and socially acceptable place.
Masculine breadwinner men are fine by moderate feminists, as long as it's all by choice and as long as they don't try to bar women from the same traditionally masculine behaviors and the breadwinner role or discriminate against or stigmatize women who assume them.
Feminine homemaker women are fine by moderate feminists too, just as long as it's all by choice, and not forced on them by society or their husband or family.
Their goal is an inclusive reflection, a system that allows people - men and women alike - who don't quite fit the "normal" molds for men and women, to still have a equal, free, and socially acceptable place.
Masculine breadwinner men are fine by moderate feminists, as long as it's all by choice and as long as they don't try to bar women from the same traditionally masculine behaviors and the breadwinner role or discriminate against or stigmatize women who assume them.
Feminine homemaker women are fine by moderate feminists too, just as long as it's all by choice, and not forced on them by society or their husband or family.
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Re:
There's a subset of the population (myself included), that believes feminism is a social weapon that has been yielded to blast apart the family and play role reversal.
If you can't already tell, nobody gets 'why'.
Why the fighting for feminism?
Why the need for women to leave their children behind at daycare to persue loveless careers?
Why the need for women to dominate men?
The whole debate should have ended eons ago when we gave women the same 'rights.' Problem is, women already get priviledges based on their sex alone. Giving equal rights bolstered by their equal priviledges means greater power than ever before.
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The fight wages on because in TV, the media, internet, comedy commercials, etc, the 'ideal' lifestyles are portrayed. That which is deemed to be socially acceptable is played out publicly. If it is accepted without question, it becomes the norm. Later, it is used as a benchmark by which all situations are measured.
The feminism war is fueled by the programming all around us. You see stupid men played out on tv by domineering women. You see slutty girls living it up in various 'hot spots' around the world, seemingly free of obligations and responsibilities, with their only true job being the maintenance of their looks. College isn't an educational period of growth, it's one of experience, a costly experience, in which the morals and values of a young subset of the country casts them aside for 4 or more years. For guys, it's like pillaging a village that has no defenses and taking the gold, without fear of recompense.
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As extreme as I may sound, it's being tried to be covered up with happy horse sh!t tv, consumerism, sex, alcohol, drugs, risque lifestyle. If you keep the mind flooded with emotions like a kid with candy, that don't have second to think and reflect on what's really happening. And by the time they do, they're so dependent on that rush or so far into the sh!t it's too late anyways.
I don't see feminism played out violently before my very eyes, but if you ask yourself questions about the going-ons of the world right in front of your very eyes, perhaps you will get deeper answers to those questions.
A-Unit
There's a subset of the population (myself included), that believes feminism is a social weapon that has been yielded to blast apart the family and play role reversal.
If you can't already tell, nobody gets 'why'.
Why the fighting for feminism?
Why the need for women to leave their children behind at daycare to persue loveless careers?
Why the need for women to dominate men?
The whole debate should have ended eons ago when we gave women the same 'rights.' Problem is, women already get priviledges based on their sex alone. Giving equal rights bolstered by their equal priviledges means greater power than ever before.
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The fight wages on because in TV, the media, internet, comedy commercials, etc, the 'ideal' lifestyles are portrayed. That which is deemed to be socially acceptable is played out publicly. If it is accepted without question, it becomes the norm. Later, it is used as a benchmark by which all situations are measured.
The feminism war is fueled by the programming all around us. You see stupid men played out on tv by domineering women. You see slutty girls living it up in various 'hot spots' around the world, seemingly free of obligations and responsibilities, with their only true job being the maintenance of their looks. College isn't an educational period of growth, it's one of experience, a costly experience, in which the morals and values of a young subset of the country casts them aside for 4 or more years. For guys, it's like pillaging a village that has no defenses and taking the gold, without fear of recompense.
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As extreme as I may sound, it's being tried to be covered up with happy horse sh!t tv, consumerism, sex, alcohol, drugs, risque lifestyle. If you keep the mind flooded with emotions like a kid with candy, that don't have second to think and reflect on what's really happening. And by the time they do, they're so dependent on that rush or so far into the sh!t it's too late anyways.
I don't see feminism played out violently before my very eyes, but if you ask yourself questions about the going-ons of the world right in front of your very eyes, perhaps you will get deeper answers to those questions.
A-Unit
bbestar
Banned
is there a way to revert women's civil rights..lol 
Don Pablo
Senior Don Juan
The cat got out of the bag with voting rights. :crackup:
brucevangeorge
Banned
They are just fighting for the illusion of freedom.
A friend of mine has a rabbit in his back yard. Every single day he frantically tries to dig his way out of his cage. One day he managed to dig a hole under the fence. He finally got out. Want to know what he did?
Nothing. He was sitting beside the cage eating the grass. All that time trying to break past the barrier he realized there was nothing on the other side. So he just sat there. Until my friend came from work and put him back into the cage. Now he still tries to dig himself out.
A friend of mine has a rabbit in his back yard. Every single day he frantically tries to dig his way out of his cage. One day he managed to dig a hole under the fence. He finally got out. Want to know what he did?
Nothing. He was sitting beside the cage eating the grass. All that time trying to break past the barrier he realized there was nothing on the other side. So he just sat there. Until my friend came from work and put him back into the cage. Now he still tries to dig himself out.