Western Women

[Zunder]

Am I right in saying that Feminism movement started in the 60's explains a lot of the fuked up western women out there these days. They are torn between their primal need for a strong man, but have this institutionalised feminism bullsh!t that their flower power era mothers have instilled in them and they their daughters and on it goes from one generation to the next?

You won't find any of this sh!t in asian women - at least those that have not been westernised. Unfortunately - I am not as attracted physically to asian women as I am to european.

Except maybe Lucy Liu.

 

[jophil28]

I have said this before...There has been a profound change in women and their 'attitude' in the past thirty years or so. I can recall a time when women did not have the 'entitlement' attitude that they have today. I can recall a time when women mostly respected men and showed their admiration for manly activities and masculine attributes.
I recall when women would never ridicule men in the ways that they do today.
I remember when women regarded themselves as fortunate to be asked on a date. They actually liked men and liked being with men.

And it has all changed in one generation.

 

[Georgiy]

it's slowly going away though.

the peak of the "movement" is gone

 

[STR8UP]

On foreign women vs. western women:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/foreign-girlfriends/

On the feminist movement and its imminent demise:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/sexual-dystopia-a-glimpse-at-the-future/

Although the pendulum has begun to swing in the other direction, I'm afraid that for my generation at least, it's going to be too little too late. That's why I'm sticking by my plan to pillage and plunder as much undateable American ass as time will allow for the next 6 years or so, then when I am 45ish head to country with a "less hostile" dating environment to find a decent woman to settle down with.

 

[Zunder]

You know, sometimes I think that us men should have just let the feminist bullsh!t run its course. Like - "Yeah - hey, you wanna be on the frontline in Vietnam - then go for it you hairy ampitted sow". "There's your AK47, go shoot some gooks - oh but wait....they are allowed to shoot back 'cause its a war you know". An extreme example, but you get my drift.

I also wonder - if the explosion in easily accessible pornography has taken a bit of the mystery out of sex for a lot of women. No longer do they have to giggle in their girl groups anymore about a mans "thingy" - they can just go online and goole "big c0ck" and away they go!

 

[Splendidostring]

It's time for a WAR! 1 vs 1 with woman, let's kick their ass!

 

[LeftyLoosey]

How can we as men be expected to have any hope in hell if women can have their cake and eat it too?

The only way a man can do it is to walk the thin line that allows him to avoid pro-feminist law by:

a) not moving in with a woman. As soon as you live together for more than a year, you're common-law and the government will grant your girlfriend all the rights of being married (your mileage may vary based on where you live);

b) not getting married. She immediately owns half of your things, and even if she cheats on you, she's still getting half your things when you get divorced (no fault divorce law);

c) not having children. She can walk away at any time and it won't cost her a cent, but it will cost you everything. Not only that, you will still foot the bill if some other man knocked her up; and

d) not having unprotected sex. Guess what, if she gets pregnant, even though you discussed her desire to not have children, she can change her mind the moment she gets pregnant as a tactic to keep you around.

Pre-nuptial agreements no longer hold water. You can only sign away certain government dictated responsibilities, and even then, any good lawyer can tear one apart.

Abiding by these rules keeps the power in your hands.

I'm afraid if you want to get married and have children, you're taking a huge risk these days. Even if your wife doesn't leave you, there is very little incentive for her to not treat you like ****, because, what are you going to do about it, ask for a divorce?

 

[Colossus]

I think it goes beyond just "the feminist movement". That is an oversimplification.

While the archetypal 'Western Woman' owes much of her attitude to the roots of feminism in the 60's and 70's, there are other (namely political and media-driven) factors behind their collective me-first mentality.

In America we live in the Age of Entitlement regarding women. It's evident in television, film, in the women you date, in the workplace, even in divorce and marriage legislation. As to the why's of how it all came to be, I dont really care. I think the real question we should be asking ourselves is how we can conduct ourselves as Men in a world that caters to women.

As Chris Rock so aptly said--"No one gives a F*CK about men." Collectively, it's kind of true. Our society holds women in the highest regard in so many ways, yet they dont see this...they only want more. That article RT posted title Is there anything good about men? shed some light on the subject.

In my personal opinion, a few decades of culture arent going to significantly change millions of years of human life and evolution on this planet. Women, deep down, still love manly men. They love an aggressive man, a decisive man, and most of all, a man who says no to their bullsh!t. Why do we know this? Because the weak men dont last, or they get manipulated and used for what they can provide. Dont ever listen to what they tell you they like.

What we can do, since we have this awareness, is simply not choose women who live in this world of self-absorption and entitlement. Many otherwise smart men still go after these types of women, then come here b!tching about how much women suck.

 

[radiodude]

Men largely determine themselves to be 'AFC' based on the women they go after.

If a man goes after a woman who purposely tries to outdo him and wear the pants everyday, he is displaying weak characteristics.

Men who are not ashamed of being men go after 'feminine' women. I didn't say doormat women or stupid women. I mean womenly women who let men be men and know that they like to please men.

For example, my wife will follow me where ever I go. She won't complain if I make a decision in life that takes her farther out of her comfort zone. She'll just go with me. She also likes to do other things FOR me. Cook, wash, clean, etc.

She does appreciate it and encourage me if I help her out from time to time. (Our son is a second full time job) But regardless, she always does those things. She cares about her home and how it looks. We don't have a big one right now. Just renting a townhome. Still she likes it to be in top order.

She likes it when I take the initiative to get the car fixed, mow the lawn (when we had one) and do other things around our house that help it stay in working order. Fix things, etc. I am not the most mechanically inclined yet but am learning more and more as time goes by.

I have .38 I keep in our bedroom closet and while she doesn't want our son to find it until he's well old enough to know what one is, she appreciates me having one to protect us.

She's the type that will not complain when I want to hang out with the guys (within reason of course ).

Gotta appreciate a woman like that. They don't come along nearly as often anymore. :yes:

Not all women are this way. Many nag their husbands excessively about things that shouldn't ever be an issue and it's the feminist garbage of the last 40 years thats led to alot of it.

Don't be a chump and pick a woman that tries to 'lord' over you. Men always regret this. It never turns out well.

 

[Nutz]

For the pendulum to switch directions, someone needs to pay a price. The pendulum won't truly start to move in the other direction until a man faces the situations above and does some non-violent move that garners National attention. Starving oneself or something of that nature. I would even go so far as to say it would take multiple men doing this thing due to the hostility that media seems to have for the masculinity in general.

I think the pendulum has begun to swing back in our favor, or at least more towards the middle. Both men and women are starting to wise up and are realizing the effect it's having in that guys are getting married later than ever, the whole Peter Pan syndrome thing is getting more prevalent, and "game" has eliminated women's ability to hold sex hostage as they're easily replaceable. In other words, men have choice and can call their own shots again. There is only one way to compete with that and it's to bring balance back to the system. The more men snap out of it and realize they too can have choice the faster balance can be restored.

Just read the links Str8up posted. This one is exactly what I was talking about:

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/sexual-dystopia-a-glimpse-at-the-future/

Now I will tell you how to save America from this fate. The answer will surprise some of you:

More PUAs.

America is beyond saving in the traditional ways. The rot has metastasized. There will be no glorious beta male uprising. Like one of the commenters from yesterday’s post pointed out, the first cute girl to bat her eyelashes at one of these revolutionary Che Betas will have him betraying the brotherhood faster than you can say “just the tip”. Nor will there be a repeal of the 19th Amendment, though there should be (and, no, I am really not kidding about that. Exhibit A: Lady Rain).

No, the solution is to give the New Girl Order *exactly* what it wants: Game, and an army of cads that practice it. Force feed the beast until it is choking on its own gluttony. The emissaries of the Great Lie must have the consequences of their ignorance and treachery shoved down their throats. In time, the unabashed pursuit of hedonism and the embrace of Darwinistic nihilism (two potent forces which, coincidentally, happen to have truth and pleasure on their side. Exhibit B: God is dead) will raze the neoliberal monolith to the ground, and from the ashes the eternal human cycle will begin anew, strengthened and revitalized.

 

[radiodude]

Unfortunately no.

Now we aren't perfect. Don't think she or I don't have our imperfections but all-in-all I feel good about having a decent wife.

 

[fertileTurtle]

Men have changed. They give their power up to women. Modern men are raised to be pvssies.