We're not in Kansas anymore

[zekko]

The PUA community by encourage more guys to play the field really just made more competition for guys and benefited women as much as more than it did men

Yep, now instead of girls having 10 guys a night come up to them, now they've got 20. The community tries to blame the AFCs for driving women's value up (by pedestaling them), but the PUAs are just as much to blame (driving up demand for women's sexual value).

 

[evansblue]

A bar/club is a place practically any guy can go to, and feel confident in. This is a big reason why you see so many guys there. A dark atmosphere that serves alcohol is kind of a "safe haven" for most guys. They need that liquid courage to approach. And the women know this. This is precisely why the bar scene fails. They're aware most would never have the guts to approach sober in a different situation, yet on a Saturday night after they've had 5 shots they're suddenly Mr. Confident.

Women are not stupid. Take the blinders off.

 

[Stagger Lee]

A bar/club is a place practically any guy can go to, and feel confident in. This is a big reason why you see so many guys there. A dark atmosphere that serves alcohol is kind of a "safe haven" for most guys. They need that liquid courage to approach. And the women know this. This is precisely why the bar scene fails. They're aware most would never have the guts to approach sober in a different situation, yet on a Saturday night after they've had 5 shots they're suddenly Mr. Confident.

Women are not stupid. Take the blinders off.

I agree but attribute it to a different reason than women not being stupid. I think women are stupid, but like you said there are no shortage of men with liquid courage approaching the women. Whether women are stupid or not makes no difference, women have in the bars an enviroment where there is a surplus of men available to them. Whether women are stupid and don't realize most of the men have liquid courage at the bar or not, they still get to be very picky. They can still be picky if approached in day game but since you are not in an enviroment directly competing with a bunch of other guys, her foucus isn't dirstracted on other guys.

 

[Scars]

Evan, I agree with you somewhat. The C+F is severely over played these days. I even over hear little Jr. High kids in public calling other girls "b!tches" and cracking "make me a sandwich" jokes (if I got a dollar for every time I over heard a guy say that..) because it's what they see all the older "cool" kids do it. Every guy is an "assh0le", or at lease tries to be. Even guys with absolutely no game at all are smart/observant enough to realize that woman are attracted to ****iest man in the group. A lot of them fail though because they forget the comfort and seduction side of the spectrum. Use C+F to attract them, but you also have to qualify them and be flirty with them, otherwise you just come off as a pr!ck. Men are also inconsistent. I see beta boys be nice and friendly one minute but if a woman walks in the room (hot or not) they just turn into an assh0le, and it's so obvious that they're only doing it to impress the girl because they are singling her out. They won't even tease the rest of their buddies, they're just being a d!ck to get attention. Woman also pick up on this as well. Trying to be a d!ck and showing off to her is just as bad as being a nice guy beta boy to her. You're right, woman aren't stupid. They can sense that sh!t.

The part where you brought up the fact that real players don't make it known that they're players hit home with me. I've actually had a lot better results being the suave/sweet guy. Calling girls babe the first time I meet them. Giving them compliments etc.. but the thing is, I give off a player vibe because it's almost obvious that I'm so full of sh!t. But read my signature. Woman only care about how you make them feel, even if they know they're being lied to. This works for me because I generally don't ever make first contact. In fact, I usually never text/call anyone first unless it's to set up plans. But for casual conversations I make everyone else initiate it because I have slowly trained them that way. I have several girls that text me every single morning. It's like clockwork. But I'm so sweet to them, and they're my back-up F-buddies for a rainy day. I tell them "I love you " and I get stuff back like "you're so full of sh!t, I know you say that to every girl!" and I'll reply with something like "nope. just you baby. you know that." Sounds ridiculous huh? But the girls just eat it up.

Problem with this is.. it's a lot easier to keep the mindset when you're getting constant sex. Newbies can't really pull this off, so you do need some level of game for this to work. When girls act up, or are being boring, I just ignore them. They don't ever see me in a bad or pissy mood. Often times, they call me up an hour later or text me the next day apologizing. And I always act indifferent. "Sorry for what? " "What are you talking about? Good morning baby " stupid sh!t like that. To them, I'm always happy.

I think it's time to evolve the game a little bit.

Check out movies like Friday with Ice Cube etc.. how when he spots a girl he plays the more suave.. "Hey baby, what's going on" kind of deal. But he does it with confidence, and just gives off that player vibe. He doesn't do any assh0le routines because he doesn't need to. You can tell by his attitude that he's confident, and he KNOWS he's going to get the girl. I'm starting to think this is the way things should be done.

-Scars

 

[Rubato]

Evan, I agree with you somewhat. The C+F is severely over played these days. I even over hear little Jr. High kids in public calling other girls "b!tches" and cracking "make me a sandwich" jokes (if I got a dollar for every time I over heard a guy say that..) because it's what they see all the older "cool" kids do it. Every guy is an "assh0le", or at lease tries to be. Even guys with absolutely no game at all are smart/observant enough to realize that woman are attracted to ****iest man in the group. A lot of them fail though because they forget the comfort and seduction side of the spectrum. Use C+F to attract them, but you also have to qualify them and be flirty with them, otherwise you just come off as a pr!ck. Men are also inconsistent. I see beta boys be nice and friendly one minute but if a woman walks in the room (hot or not) they just turn into an assh0le, and it's so obvious that they're only doing it to impress the girl because they are singling her out. They won't even tease the rest of their buddies, they're just being a d!ck to get attention. Woman also pick up on this as well. Trying to be a d!ck and showing off to her is just as bad as being a nice guy beta boy to her. You're right, woman aren't stupid. They can sense that sh!t.

The part where you brought up the fact that real players don't make it known that they're players hit home with me. I've actually had a lot better results being the suave/sweet guy. Calling girls babe the first time I meet them. Giving them compliments etc.. but the thing is, I give off a player vibe because it's almost obvious that I'm so full of sh!t. But read my signature. Woman only care about how you make them feel, even if they know they're being lied to. This works for me because I generally don't ever make first contact. In fact, I usually never text/call anyone first unless it's to set up plans. But for casual conversations I make everyone else initiate it because I have slowly trained them that way. I have several girls that text me every single morning. It's like clockwork. But I'm so sweet to them, and they're my back-up F-buddies for a rainy day. I tell them "I love you " and I get stuff back like "you're so full of sh!t, I know you say that to every girl!" and I'll reply with something like "nope. just you baby. you know that." Sounds ridiculous huh? But the girls just eat it up.

Problem with this is.. it's a lot easier to keep the mindset when you're getting constant sex. Newbies can't really pull this off, so you do need some level of game for this to work. When girls act up, or are being boring, I just ignore them. They don't ever see me in a bad or pissy mood. Often times, they call me up an hour later or text me the next day apologizing. And I always act indifferent. "Sorry for what? " "What are you talking about? Good morning baby " stupid sh!t like that. To them, I'm always happy.

I think it's time to evolve the game a little bit.

Check out movies like Friday with Ice Cube etc.. how when he spots a girl he plays the more suave.. "Hey baby, what's going on" kind of deal. But he does it with confidence, and just gives off that player vibe. He doesn't do any assh0le routines because he doesn't need to. You can tell by his attitude that he's confident, and he KNOWS he's going to get the girl. I'm starting to think this is the way things should be done.

-Scars

Amen.

 

[evansblue]

Good post scars.

And Stagger, I see it from that perspective as well. Another thing I've noticed about the bar scene is that women tend to stay for a drink or two, then they're off to a different spot to meet up with their girlfriends, or whatever else they're doing. Guys usually do the opposite. They'll sit there with their buddies already present, stake the place out and get drunk. This is a big mistake, and it lowers your social value.

When I go sarging, it's solo. I never stay in the same bar for very long. Rarely do I even go up to the bartender and order a drink. I walk in, survey the area and go up to a couple of hotties, get their number and get the hell out of there. Of course, I try to be subtle about it. The point here is that it gets a woman's imagination going. "Where is he going?" "Is he meeting up with friends?" "Going home?" "Different bar?" Get the girl's curiosity going. 10 minutes per bar and I usually get 2 numbers, I'll try for 3 if I think nobody will notice. So that's about 5 different bars and 10 numbers. By the end of the night, I got some options to work with. I'll pull up my phone at about 12:30 a.m. and that's when I mass text these girls. Judging by what their response is, I gauge their interest and act accordingly. If 3 or 4 girls blow me off, it's no big deal because I about 6 more numbers to play with.

What you don't want to have happen is only having one or two girl's numbers by the end of the night. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. I don't care how well you "think" the conversation went, women will flake for no reason whatsoever. This is why I'm taking shots all night long. Drinking is the furthest thing from my mind.

My other technique of "pulling the pants down" can be an effective strategy, if done correctly and the logistics cater to it. Now by that I don't mean "flashing" people. It's basically a ruse and acting like you're more drunk than you really are in front of a couple girls. Anyway, that's in my other thread.

Bottom line here is I have a STRATEGY. I know exactly what I'm going to do, before I do it.

 

[Poonani Maker]

The thing is unless we are talking about extremes-extreme nice guy or extreme @sshole game, what you say and your material makes little difference in attraction. But the PUA community puts most of the focus and credit on having the right lines and right tactics.

Attraction and game is really about how you appear and how you sound. Women are mostly subsconsciously screening for things like facial symmetry, expressiveness, outgoingness and extraversion, confident nonverbals and body language, sociability etc. These things are very hard if not impossible to fake. Only when you have these factors at the necessary level do the lines and tactics even make any real difference or can work.

What the PUA movement has done is give all these guys some lines and tactics and encouraged them to approach. The guys who already have the fundamental factors of attraction see good results just from being encouraged to take more action. But the bigger group who sought out PUA guidance because they were lacking in the factors needed see little change or even worse results.

The PUA community by encourage more guys to play the field really just made more competition for guys and benefited women as much as more than it did men. Women sit back and can offer crap and demand more and more of men because men are working harder to attract women and wishing they were better.

A lot of it is not so good advice that is not catered to the individual's real weak spots or strenghts. So many of the guys are out on a fool's errand and being made a fool of by it.

True. You must first be totally a conductor of love to yourself first, before you can ever share that love with others, and on a sexual or physical basis, with women of interest.

It takes a deep, emotional, love ignited from your brain to your heart, nose, mouth, eyes, legs. Anyone can cleanse their entire identity of all the gunk that has accumulated from years of TV, YEARS of bad advice from others, Most Notably your (well meaning, but) stupid fvckin parents or "friends" who know Nothing about you (Until they decide to treat you like your changed self, like mine have...but it took years for them to realize that I am Not the same from the change that took only a day to a week to complete initially). Until you decide to love yourself without dependence on outside factors or people, you will never become natural, because being natural is about integrity, and about respecting and loving yourself so much that you can make decisions effortlessly (and without prior Experience while in the midst of new unknown circumstances). Basically, loving yourself or being full of light always, is where you begin to Think On Your Feet.

Harvard is so costly, and so desired (or once was so desired) a university to get into, because they (not sure about now) would teach you to Think On Your Feet. But you do not have to go to Harvard, Princeton, or Yale to learn to think on your feet or be "Street" wise. All you have to do is to nightly, daily, whatever, feed your love of yourself whether it be by watching a movie that makes you feel love for something or listen to music that makes you feel love for something or someone. When you can Feel love for someone intensely, then you can turn that intense power on yourself and POWERFULLY build your confidence to a critical mass, to where it would take a LOT of punishment and bad times to bring your love of yourself back down to the way it used to be long ago, or even a few days or hours or minutes ago.

It can happen that fast, in an instant, where the wellsprings overfloweth, and you are no longer that crusty, junk-food, confused, cross-wired, negative person you used to be, but changed. This change must be nourished though every single day, even if it means watching the same feel-good movie EVERY SINGLE DAY, you must reinforce the general well-being of self. It's not a chore either, because who wouldn't want to go around all day interacting with people in a overflowing self-loving state? I'm ALWAYS like that, for like almost 6 years I've been in this state. It started when I fell for a oneitis hardcore which in turn made me Dig Deep into who I was, from birth, who I was meant to be. Very serious emotional reflection which was linked to her too, because she started my change. She was a Real friend to me then. We never really broke up. We just drifted apart, but I knew that she didn't want me because I made the exact income she did. This made me fierce as fvck in surpassing her/my income from that time 5 or 6-fold. Amazing what a challenge to yourself like that can summon within you.

Deep reflective love of self + challenge laid before you = watch the fvck out, cause NO setback will stop a determined already perfect nimble soul

It's the love of self that guides you. You can do no wrong when you have it in it's right place. There's no mistaking it. You're either there or you're not. It permeates your whole body and mind when you know who you are.