We must open our horizons and date internationally

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I don't think she came to the USA in a relationship though.

In what ways do you think that bringing a woman from Eastern Europe/Latin America/Asia to the USA is a bad idea?

I have read that these women tend to adopt the worst traits of USA/Western women with enough time in the USA or another Westernized country. After the initial relationship breaks up, she tends to date like a Western woman. She might not be as bad as a Koko Beaute, but she's still bad.
What tends to happen is that they start to make American friends through work. These co workers start indoctrinating her with ideas. There ideas include " dont cook for you man you are not a slave" etc. Or they see how much power American women have and start to disrespect you. Or they see their female friends living on credit and buying luxury items they cant afford and now their hypergamy kicks in.
There are many West African anecdotes of bringing the girl from the village to America. A few years later they leave.

I just encourage every man to make 1 trip to a developing nation with the purpose of dating. I want them to fire up that Tinder or whatever. Lets see if they dont get treated like a king. Unless they are ugly or weird.
 

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Are you saying that most men that travel overseas are fat unattractive losers?
Not necessarily fat & unattractive, but losers yes... Otherwise, you could get it or pay for it in the states without flying across the world to a third world country.

Many of the guys that go foreign are men that are attractive. I promise that if you ever go out on the town with me I can school most of these so called players.
Cool lol

Your statement implies that American women are some prize. Like they are the objective standard.
And some third world gold digging sloot shaped liked a 5th grade boy is?

Bro the rest of the world laughs at American women. They are looked at as the hoes of the world.

My point is that men travel overseas not because they can't get American women. They dont WANT American women.

You guys act like getting women in America is some super mystical difficult thing to do lol.
I have a passport friend in the Philippines right now. It is funny how he says stuff like this all the time. If it is so much better over there then why are y'all so obsessed with the West? Please help me understand how y'all are living in paradise, yet are some of the most bitter western obsessed people on the planet? If it is so great then why do y'all constantly bvtch and moan about the USA, western women, and etc? I do not wake every morning mad as hell over Thailand or the Philippines lol. The hard truth is that y'all do harbor jealousy over people thriving in the west and have resorted to being bitter attention *****s in third world countries.
 

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I agree that American men expect the worst behavior and tolerate a lot of bad behavior. That doesn't automatically make a man a cuck. A man becomes a cuck when his monogamous relationship girlfriend or wife has sex with another man. Most men do still find female infidelity to be unacceptable but there are men that will still tolerate that behavior.

In the past, men were having extramarital/extrarelational sex more than women. Since the 1980s, women have closed the infidelity gap with men.


A lot of USA-based social science research on infidelity is faulty. Much of the research focuses on married couples and who cheats after a wedding day. Research is more limited on unmarried exclusive couples and who cheats more in those.

In terms of infidelity, men have more desire to have sex outside of the primary relationship but less opportunity to do so. Women have less desire to do so but far more opportunity to do so.

It is rather difficult for a mid-tier married men or mid-tier unmarried LTR men to get outside sex. Men have more desire to have outside sex because of higher testosterone levels. Men's testosterone levels are significantly above where women's are, even in a time of declining testosterone levels among men.

Women's lower testosterone levels reduce their desire to have extramarital and extrarelational sex. Also, in terms of biology, women could have greater consequences for infidelity as they could get pregnant. Many women who engage in extramarital/extrarelational sex will take steps to prevent pregnancy and the birth control methods that are used are usually effective. However, the presence of reliable birth control is a somewhat modern advancement as compared to thousands of years of biology. If a woman decides she wants sex outside her primary relationship, she can get it rather easily if she's under 50-55. It becomes even easier if she's not overweight and looks reasonably good.

Another way that American men are getting cucked is through committed relationships with single moms. Many American men get into committed relationships with single moms, including childless men. While it is somewhat understandable when a man with a child/children from a previous relationship gets into a committed relationship with a woman with a child/children from a previous relationship, it is not understandable when a childless man does this.



This is a valid concern for USA men who choose to get married.

The family law system in the USA is very unfair to men. In divorces, men tend to get less favorable financial outcomes and less favorable child custody arrangements. Much of this depends upon the 2 individuals getting divorced and how they legally resolve the issues. Some divorces involve more litigation and time spend in court than others.



It is something that is difficult for a good portion of mid-tier men to do. Mid-tier men have a more difficult time getting initial sex and retaining women in longer term relationships. A good portion of men eventually settle for something because they are seeking more frequent sex than being an unattached man who struggles to get sex.



Most men in the USA do eventually get married and do have kids. There are still plenty of USA men in the suburbs with wives and children.

My "Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere" thread about the blue pilled beta males in my social circle getting married and having children within a few years of the wedding is a good example of this. I think you have posted on that thread in the past.
You are right SW15. I misused the word cuck. What I meant to say was that we are accustomed to getting treated badly. American men worship any female that is not morbidly obese ( some also worship morbidly obese women).

Many girls hate Europe after studying abroad. They go to Europe and see that no one worships them because the European girls are all skinny and hot. The local men just see the American girls as easy.

I was in an airport in an Euroasian country. I saw a 10/10 dime piece (face wise) working at a coffee kiosk. This girl was gorgeous. This is normal over there. She was so chill and friendly. She was smiling at me and whispering to her friend. I was probably the only black guy they had seen in months. Anyways I was so nervous I ran away ( and she was too young maybe like 19) and I was engaged. She was so fine that I went to another cashier to pay lol. All my years of pick up evaporated.

My point is that American woman act horribly because we are so thirsty for mediocre puzzy. Men in other nations dont do that ( there are exceptions).
 

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Not necessarily fat & unattractive, but losers yes... Otherwise, you could get it or pay for it in the states without flying across the world to a third world country.

I cant get it in the states because it barely exists in the states. The men who got the few quality hot chicks met them in college or knew them in high school. Or they are the top 5% of men who have great careers and great looks. For the 95% of men ( like myself) you aint going to find a nice submissive hot chick in the USA.

Also what do you mean "pay for it"? Pay for sex? I am not talking about sex. I am talking about a woman to be my wife. I can get sex with a 5/10 chubby chick fairly easily.



Cool lol



And some third world gold digging sloot shaped liked a 5th grade boy is?

Shaped like a 5th grade boy? What are you saying? The girls in other countries are hotter than American girls because they dont eat poison food. Have you seen Morrocan women or Russian women or Tunisian women?

Gold digging? Yes some are gold digging. Just like most American women are gold digging. Most of the foreign women I dated were okay with me just living in their country with them. Yes did they enjoy that my dollar went further, of course they did. How is that different than American women who wont even marry you unless the ring is 3 times your monthly salary?



I have a passport friend in the Philippines right now. It is funny how he says stuff like this all the time. If it is so much better over there then why are y'all so obsessed with the West? Please help me understand how y'all are living in paradise, yet are some of the most bitter western obsessed people on the planet? If it is so great then why do y'all constantly bvtch and moan about the USA, western women, and etc? I do not wake every morning mad as hell over Thailand or the Philippines lol. The hard truth is that y'all do harbor jealousy over people thriving in the west and have resorted to being bitter attention *****s in third world countries.

Do I sound bitter? How? You sound bitter. I sound like a man who is telling other men stop wasting their time with a losing game. The reason I am not living overseas is I have to find a way to make more money when I am over there. If I had a pension already I would be over there. Also no one is saying that the quality if life is better per se. We are saying that the quality of WOMAN is better. This is a weird argument you presented.

If your friend in the Phillippines agrees with me then maybe you should start to think. 2 men who dont know each other agreeing on the same topic..hmmm.

Hey mister Cornbread feel free to keep trying with these western girls. Keep posting on here about your dating experiences. I sure with enough effort you can marry an overweight single mother. Or if she is not a single mother she will be a post wall 35 yr old who will not cook or clean for you. She will also divorce you in 10 yrs. Yes I am so jealous.

Btw how are tou thriving? You are on SoSuave with no wife or kids. You also have no girlfriend ( or maybe you do). This is not thriving.
 

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American men worship any female that is not morbidly obese ( some also worship morbidly obese women).

My point is that American woman act horribly because we are so thirsty for mediocre puzzy.
This is accurate. American men are thirsty. Many American men are simps. That is a part of the reason why OnlyFans exists.

What tends to happen is that they start to make American friends through work. These co workers start indoctrinating her with ideas. There ideas include " dont cook for you man you are not a slave" etc. Or they see how much power American women have and start to disrespect you. Or they see their female friends living on credit and buying luxury items they cant afford and now their hypergamy kicks in.
There are many West African anecdotes of bringing the girl from the village to America. A few years later they leave.
You've done a good job outlining what happens to women from non-Westernized countries when they come to the USA.

Roosh V wrote an article in 2011 entitled Western Culture Poisons Women

 

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I cant get it in the states because it barely exists in the states. The men who got the few quality hot chicks met them in college or knew them in high school. Or they are the top 5% of men who have great careers and great looks. For the 95% of men ( like myself) you aint going to find a nice submissive hot chick in the USA.

Also what do you mean "pay for it"? Pay for sex? I am not talking about sex. I am talking about a woman to be my wife. I can get sex with a 5/10 chubby chick fairly easily.

You are never going to find a submissive hot chick period unless you pay for it. The reason y'all have more success in poorer countries because A). It is cheaper to pay for it or B). The chick isn't as hot as society thinks she is. Either way, the transaction wheel still applies.

Shaped like a 5th grade boy? What are you saying? The girls in other countries are hotter than American girls because they dont eat poison food. Have you seen Morrocan women or Russian women or Tunisian women?

I see men going to southeast Asia bragging about women with the bodies of 5th grade boys. Morrocco, Russia, and Tunisia are not common passport bro destinations for western American men. It might be for someone in Dubai, but not here.

Gold digging? Yes some are gold digging. Just like most American women are gold digging. Most of the foreign women I dated were okay with me just living in their country with them. Yes did they enjoy that my dollar went further, of course they did. How is that different than American women who wont even marry you unless the ring is 3 times your monthly salary?

The difference is that I am not wasting my time flying across the globe to some third world shvt hole to pay for pvssy.

Do I sound bitter? How? You sound bitter. I sound like a man who is telling other men stop wasting their time with a losing game. The reason I am not living overseas is I have to find a way to make more money when I am over there. If I had a pension already I would be over there. Also no one is saying that the quality if life is better per se. We are saying that the quality of WOMAN is better. This is a weird argument you presented.

My point is that if y'all are so happy abroad then why are y'all obsessed with the west and western women? The bitter pill is that y'all are not happy and bitter to the point of coping everyday.

If your friend in the Phillippines agrees with me then maybe you should start to think. 2 men who dont know each other agreeing on the same topic..hmmm.

My friend is a loser in the Philippines paying for sex and teaching English for low pay. On social media, he tells everyone how great his life living in paradise for attention. However, I he secretly vents to me about how he can't get a real job back in the USA and harbors bitter resentment towards the West because he had to settle for Southeast Asia. In addition, he tells me how awful other passport bros can be and how life truly is down there.

Hey mister Cornbread feel free to keep trying with these western girls. Keep posting on here about your dating experiences. I sure with enough effort you can marry an overweight single mother. Or if she is not a single mother she will be a post wall 35 yr old who will not cook or clean for you. She will also divorce you in 10 yrs. Yes I am so jealous.

Btw how are tou thriving? You are on SoSuave with no wife or kids. You also have no girlfriend ( or maybe you do). This is not thriving.


I am doing fine tbh. I do not talk about my personal life on this forum because there's a lot of posters on here that thrive off of negativity because they are insecure AF and will just say & wish the most hateful stuff to make them feel better.
 

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I cant get it in the states because it barely exists in the states. The men who got the few quality hot chicks met them in college or knew them in high school. Or they are the top 5% of men who have great careers and great looks. For the 95% of men ( like myself) you aint going to find a nice submissive hot chick in the USA.

Also what do you mean "pay for it"? Pay for sex? I am not talking about sex. I am talking about a woman to be my wife. I can get sex with a 5/10 chubby chick fairly easily.


You are never going to find a submissive hot chick period unless you pay for it. The reason y'all have more success in poorer countries because A). It is cheaper to pay for it or B). The chick isn't as hot as society thinks she is. Either way, the transaction wheel still applies.
Im about to be egotistical and cringe in order to prove a point. @CornbreadFed look at my profile picture. Do I look like a guy who struggled getting sex from American women? Do I look like a guy that had to pay for it? I was not quite a Tyrone but I was a Tyrone lite. I did decent and I promise you I had sex with hotter girls than you.

This passport thing is not just losers who could not get women in the states. Its men that have seen that there is no way to win in the states. If you did not get the girl in college or grad school then all you have left is single mothers. Even if you do find a unicorn she will divorce you and take your kid.

There are 8 billion people in this planet and 4 billion are women. The US is just a very tiny fraction of the world population. Your " soul mate" could be in Zambia right now riding the bus. You are clinging to American exceptionalism so hard. Its cool man. Keep dating washed up single moms and fat chicks.
 

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Im about to be egotistical and cringe in order to prove a point. @CornbreadFed look at my profile picture. Do I look like a guy who struggled getting sex from American women? Do I look like a guy that had to pay for it? I was not quite a Tyrone but I was a Tyrone lite. I did decent and I promise you I had sex with hotter girls than you.

This passport thing is not just losers who could not get women in the states. Its men that have seen that there is no way to win in the states. If you did not get the girl in college or grad school then all you have left is single mothers. Even if you do find a unicorn she will divorce you and take your kid.

There are 8 billion people in this planet and 4 billion are women. The US is just a very tiny fraction of the world population. Your " soul mate" could be in Zambia right now riding the bus. You are clinging to American exceptionalism so hard. Its cool man. Keep dating washed up single moms and fat chicks.
Yes, like myself, we are in the Incel danger zone range for men of being a Tyrone/Chad Lite. Because of hypergamy and easier access, we have trouble holding down Stacy lites or 6s-8s because they can just get a Chad or beta bob that will pay for them emotionally & fiscally. We aren't good looking enough to lock down a 9-10/10, and we are too good looking to settle down with a girl below a 6. I completely understand the bullcrap men have to deal with dating in the US. However, if you cannot remotely hold women here in the US then you are just going to get played out in Asia, Africa, or wherever you go lol. Sex is not hard to get after you figure out how to get it. Maintaining attraction & keeping a woman in her feminine is what most men have trouble doing. If you can't do it here, then you are not going to just magically pick it up in Thailand.
 

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Yes, like myself, we are in the Incel danger zone range for men of being a Tyrone/Chad Lite. Because of hypergamy and easier access, we have trouble holding down Stacy lites or 6s-8s because they can just get a Chad or beta bob that will pay for them emotionally & fiscally. We aren't good looking enough to lock down a 9-10/10, and we are too good looking to settle down with a girl below a 6. I completely understand the bullcrap men have to deal with dating in the US. However, if you cannot remotely hold women here in the US then you are just going to get played out in Asia, Africa, or wherever you go lol. Sex is not hard to get after you figure out how to get it. Maintaining attraction & keeping a woman in her feminine is what most men have trouble doing. If you can't do it here, then you are not going to just magically pick it up in Thailand.
Why are you assuming passport bros cant rometly hold down a girl here? Thats not the issue. The issue is why would you want to hold down a girl here?

They dont have the same softness as international women. You wont get it until you actually go to another country and date a girl there.

Also, depending on where you go in the world you have the exotic factor. You will get treated like a D list celebrity almost. As a white dude there are many countries in the world in which these girls just want to have blue eyes babies. They want your genetics. Yet you rather play in nation that openly hates you. I dont get it man.

Its like trying to explain what chocolate tastes like to someone that never ate it.

Fire up an international language exchange app bro. Put up your best pictures. Just sit back and wait. You will see how even the conversations are just more pleasant. The ghosting rate is alot less. The girls are just.....normal.

Also its pure numbers. You are dealing with a larger percentage of women internationally. So you have higher percentage of finding a girl that is into your looks. So even if .0001% of 4 billion thinks you are super hot this is more women than you can handle.

But hey no offense to you. Im sorry if I came off douchey but if we meet one day I will set up a international profile for you lol.
 
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This is accurate. American men are thirsty. Many American men are simps. That is a part of the reason why OnlyFans exists.



You've done a good job outlining what happens to women from non-Westernized countries when they come to the USA.

Roosh V wrote an article in 2011 entitled Western Culture Poisons Women

So Roosh was ahead of his time. He actually went to my University. Roosh is a perfect example of what I am saying. You think Roosh could have gotten the lay count he got internationally in the USA? No. Not with the same quality of looks. Roosh was getting so much international puzzy that it ended up destroying him. I can totally relate.

This may sound corny but if I had the money and desire I could have sex with about 4 hot international women right now. The only issue is that I am engaged and I dont have the money or time to fly to their country. These girls are on my nuts. They are also hotter than the average Western girl. They also don't want anything. Some of them just want my genetics because of the exotic factor. Dude its freaky. They text me everyday send interesting pics etc.

Internationally you have to run away from puzzy. You are dodging it. Sometimes I have to block these girls because the temptation is too high. This is not a humble brag. This is just pure numbers. You are dealing with 4 billion instead of 200 million. Its just math.

Also on Roosh..i promise you Roosh could never date in America again. Thats why when he came back he just became a monk. Its like having to eat fast food after owning your own gourmet restaurant. It aint the same.

Okay I will shut up now about this topic. Sorry guys.
 

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Well I don't think it's a "must," to each his own, but I recommend stepping outside your bubble if you're in one.

However I've never been a proponent of "work on X before you work on Y" so wherever you are in the world, if there are women there, seduce them in the meantime while you work on your life's goals.

Personally I could not wait to get out of my homogeneous hometown and give the wheel a spin. I landed on some beautiful women from all over but more importantly, I had adventures and experiences I'll always treasure. Staying put and settling down with the typical American future Karen was never in the cards for me. But we all have our own path.
I just fully read this post. It sounds interesting. Can you elaborate please? You are an American who went abroad and dated the women there for a while right?

Even though it did not work out the adventures were legit right? Did it change the way you looked at American women? Thanks
 

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This is all bullsh!t for the most part.
Lol BackInTheGame you crack me up. You aint even try to make a logical refutation of any of my points. Its just "this is all bull****". How would you know? You ever live overseas? You sound like Nate Diaz when Conor McGregor took his time to make his argument.

 
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