Maybe the pushback is because the original idea behind the forum is to become or stay a "don juan" right. Whatever that means , it's personal I guess.
As long as there are women there will be parties, bars, festivals, parks, pools, beaches, wine tasting events, art exhibitions, ect ect where women will go to. These women WILL hook up with men that are desirable.
Most PP bros kinda say that ALL western/ American women are trash while we simultaneously know they hook up with dudes. I PERSONALLY rather be the dude they wanna hook up with know mean?
The stigma that comes with being a PP bro still is one of a man who can't get women for whatever reason and thus needs to travel around the globe in hopes of finding women. You also point out that a NERDY man ...it's hardly ever a alpha man. The men I know that do this PPbro thing are also dudes with obvious flaws ( and they refuse to address those ). None of them ever touched a dumbell for example.
That's why not everyone is down with this concept. Add to that that I am from South America so my view is skewed by that also. Secondly if I attend events as mentioned above I get plenty of game. My incels homies don't even wanna go out because they feel insignificant. But regardless, the event will be lit, there will also be women and fecking will always happen...
Meanwhile the secret is out also and women in those regions are aware that western men who can't get it at home travel to their countries..so the chances of getting a unicorn become slimmer by the day.
Okay I hear you bro. You are making very good points. I agree with you actually. Let me present a couple counterpoints.
American women are not hooking up in real life like they used to. I am an older millennial and I have seen the shift. Women used to go out to meet a guy and have a one night stand. Now they just go out for fun. They already found the one night stand guy online.
Also the culture has shifted so much. This is not 2008 again. The bar scene is not fun anymore because pickup is dead. In some places in the USA they are trying to make approaching women a crime. Im not bad looking and I am funny and goofy so I can get away with approaching but its still not as fun as it used to be. American women are more antagonistic.
Also even if you do get sex you have to worry about false rape accusations now. She could have a case of buyers remorse. One allegation and you are finished even if you are innocent. We did not have to worry about that in 2008. The Me Too movement changed a lot of things.
Also South African women are much easier to game then American women. I promise this.
Also American women are not that attractive. Many of them are fat. The thin ones have an inflated ego.
Also if you date black women then you are really screwed. Most of them have kids by 30. Most of them are dealing with a thug or crazy ec boyfriend. Its dangerous dating now.
So basically I think the era of pick up is dead but for all the most skilled players. Yes it is possible but it will be a part time job now. With many frustrating rejections for 1 lay. I can still do it but I will have to have my A game. I will say it will take me 2 months of going out and online game to land 1 consistent sexual partner ( who is hot). That is a lot of work when I can just fly out to Columbia and have all the sex that I want for free.
Lastly....even if you manage to beat the odds and find a hot sane American girl. The chances of her not divorcing are small.
I think we are both correct here. You are not wrong. I just feel like the juice is not worth the squeeze. This pick up Don Juan guys have to accept that the era of Don Juan is over. Things evolved fast thanks to the smart phone.