I read a post about how women learn to manipulate guys from an early age like being nice to there dads throwing tantrums and giving compliments. Now this is how i think alot of guys fail with women. From an early age guys are nice to there mothers to get things and if they dont get it they push for it like really push for it beg practicly (like if they want a toy or something) and there also told things like " if your not good santas not gonna bring you gifts" I think this frame of mind has to be changed in alot of guys if they wanna suceed with women. Remember the girls are not your mother and they will not give up if you keep begging them or if your being nice to them.