Was Today’s Tip, AFC? :confused:

[OneArmDeeJay]

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TIP OF THE DAY


** A Stunningly Beautiful Woman **


I found this technique to be a great one for picking up women.

Walk up to a woman that you find attractive. The setting is
irrelevant. And say to her with a smile:

"Excuse me, but I could not help to notice you while walking here.
I wanted to let you know that you are a stunningly beautiful woman."

Then wait for a response which, in 95% of all cases, is a mix of
stunned disbelief mixed in with blushing and immediate like toward
you.

I find that most of the time this is all you have to say, and the
woman will do most of the talking and the pressure is off you. The
woman will freely continue the conversation with you.

Using this technique I have been able to score more numbers and
dates than any other way. Follow up the initial comments about how
great she looks and how much you are attracted to her. Then tell
her you would love to see her for a drink or a meal. Get her
number.

I find this works for the following reasons:

* It's courageous, and women like men who take risks.

* It's honest and to the point. They know where they stand with
you.

* If they are attracted to you, telling them you find them beautiful
will free them from their fear of rejection of being attracted to
you.

* It makes them feel good about themselves.

* It lets them know you like them. People like those who like them.

Try it on the next 20 women that you see and you will be amazed with
the results.

Mark Bednarski
mark_bednarski@hotmail.com


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Now I usually get a daily tip from this web site at least every other day and usually they are pretty good. But today I was just & when I read today’s Tip. Is this guy for real?? I thought the whole reason why most of us are here is because we pulled AFC crap like this before and got us nowhere. This sounds like advice from a chick or an AFC. Has Sosuave.net truly gone down hill?

What do you guys think? Have you personally I try it and if so were you successful.

 

[Bill]

My initial reaction was "Well, it depends how it's said... say it in a confident way and you should be okay" but just how innovative and insightful is that, really?

I dunno, I wouldn't make a point of saying that to a woman I don't know. Most women have had such things said to them in the past, and could just give you a knee-jerk reaction. Not all of them will go *blush blush* Why thank you, gentleman *blush blush*.

Something to try out, for sure... but I wouldn't expect fantastic results.

-Bill

 

[DJDamage]

Originally posted by OneArmDeeJay
What do you guys think? Have you personally I try it and if so were you successful.

I think that tip is great but there are other factors that work here that we don't know about. We don't know how good looking is the guy or how confident he is. Obviously those two factors are very important with a direct approach. If he got those two things going, it doesn't really matter what comes out of his mouth.

I find that most of the time this is all you have to say, and the
woman will do most of the talking and the pressure is off you. The
woman will freely continue the conversation with you.

I don't agree with what is said above ^^^. I think it is far fetched idea that if you do a bold direct approach to a woman, that they will do most of the talking (quite the opposite).

You need to carry on and direct the conversation (most women will not help you). If you don't have game and you lack a social life or conversation skills this tip is worthless.

DjDamage

 

[OneArmDeeJay]

Re: Re: Was Today’s Tip, AFC?

Originally posted by DJDamage
I don't agree with what is said above ^^^. I think it is far fetched idea that if you do a bold direct approach to a woman, that they will do most of the talking (quite the opposite).

You need to carry on and direct the conversation (most women will not help you). If you don't have game and you lack a social life or conversation skills this tip is worthless.

DjDamage

Agreed

 

[BrotherAP]

I personally think it's a good tip.

No way would I label any confident approach to a girl as 'AFC'. The only thing that I'd say is always AFC is letting yourself be too scared to approach so that you do nothing but stare at the beautiful girl and wish you balls to talk to her.

I personally think that competent direct approaching should become a fundamental skill for somebody before they try and learn the more difficult indirect approach. People use indirect approaches as a crutch to hide their interest because they are still protecting themselves from rejection, which is actually much more AFC than showing a girl that you are interested in her. There is no faster way to LJBF land than waiting too long to show interest, and the chances are that you are subconsciously showing your interest to her anyway, which is the crime that the 'nice guy' is guilty of to begin with. The direct approach is a great way to take advantage of the attraction that may already exist - if a girl is attracted to you, a confident approach will score you much more points than trying to feign disinterest when it's not congruent to your intentions.

Indirect approaches can be learned, but it is difficult. You have to communicate with your body language and your actions that you are not interested in her, which means that you can't work to keep the interaction going. The second you do something to try and win her attention, your gig is up. If you are truly intent on learning how to do a direct approach, I highly recommend adopting the proper mindsets that will allow you to do so without having to pay so much attention to what exactly it is that you are doing and follow a very rigid approach. If you want to master the art of the indirect approach, you must really eliminate beauty as a qualifier - which is much easier said than done. When you've gotten to a point that you are used to the company of beautiful women, you will subconsciously show this when you don't respond to her looks.

AFC is when you avoid something out of fear. With girls, what you lack in experience, you can make up for in boldness.

 

[SeldomSeen]

RE:

The best salesmen knock on every door or call every potential customer. I cant tell you how many times Ive been out with one of my lady friends and a guy is staring at her and she likes him so she stares back but he's too scared to approach the girl and blows it. You only have a certain amount of time to act once you get that return glance from the woman otherwise she will think you are quite timid and her interest level will drop somewhat. I'll even leave so that he wont think Im with her but still the potential target is too afraid to approach.

Now when a woman looks at me or when I look at a woman and she reciprocates I wait about 30 seconds, look around and then slowly approach with a look of confidence but I'll sometimes open with something humorous "some guy over there was looking at you and wanted to tell you how much more lovely you would look
if he were joining you in conversation.."
Usually that will bring about a little smile and get her to open up. You can usually tell from the eyes first if women want to be approached or not.

 

[DonJuanMonk]

It works great for handsome dudes like Brad Pitt, Edward Norton, George Clooney, random NFL jock.

But I don't think it'll work for the average car mechanic dude, computer nerd. I usually listen to the tips but don't listen to "how you should approach a girl" kinda tactic. because it may have worked or works in theory in the mind of the author, but it might not work for many others.

 

[BrotherAP]

Originally posted by DonJuanMonk
It works great for handsome dudes like Brad Pitt, Edward Norton, George Clooney, random NFL jock.

But I don't think it'll work for the average car mechanic dude, computer nerd. I usually listen to the tips but don't listen to "how you should approach a girl" kinda tactic. because it may have worked or works in theory in the mind of the author, but it might not work for many others.

Are you implying that you have to be Brad Pitt to approach a girl?

It works far beyond 'in theory in the mind of the author'. Many many guys have had success approaching girls. I think it is only in theory in your mind that it is so impossible to do.

Yes, a direct approach being successful usually requires that the girl is attracted to you, but you don't have to be a celebrity for her to be attracted to you. It's been said a thousand times, so many that I'm annoyed to repeat it, but you must dress well, have good fashion that really reflects your personality, be well groomed, and approach with confidence in order to be as successful as possible with direct approaches. If you work on your personal value then the approach will work.

You know what will never work? Making excuses because you don't look like Brad Pitt. C'mon people this stuff is common sense.

If you don't like this approach, then would you be so kind and give us some insight about an approach that HAS worked for you? Have you even ever had any success approaching girls?

Really, if you read something and wonder "Will that work" then the most productive thing you can do is try it. Different approaches work for different people, and the only way you're going to find your own style is through practice and experience.

If you haven't bothered to test the approach to see if it works, then please don't claim to know about it's ineffectiveness.

 

[Shiftkey]

Why don't you try it 20 times and report your findings OneArmDeeJay? That's really the only way you can know if something works.

 

[OneArmDeeJay]

BrotherAP I don’t think DonJuanMonk is saying that you have to be Brad Pitt to approach girls it’s just when it comes down to applying “others” techniques to directly approach them it may not go well with YOU because you may be missing that other element that makes it work. When doing direct approaches you need something other then confidence because really hasn’t every other guy approach a beautiful women that there beautiful?


"Excuse me, but I could not help to notice you while walking here.
I wanted to let you know that you are a stunningly beautiful woman."

And then

*If they are attracted to you, telling them you find them beautiful
will free them from their fear of rejection of being attracted to
you.

I agree using these kinds of lines you have to be more then just confident. I just think just about every guy has used those lines too her what makes you any different?

They just seems like that’s been played out and AFC unless like DonJuanMonk said your Brad Pitt or some pro athlete or she’s ugly.

Originally posted by DonJuanMonk
It works great for handsome dudes like Brad Pitt, Edward Norton, George Clooney, random NFL jock.

But I don't think it'll work for the average car mechanic dude, computer nerd.

I also agree with this statement,

Originally posted by DonJuanMonk
I usually listen to the tips but don't listen to "how you should approach a girl" kinda tactic. because it may have worked or works in theory in the mind of the author, but it might not work for many others.

Because like the Tip poster said,

”I found this technique to be a great one for picking up women.”

”I find that most of the time this is all you have to say,”

Key word “I found”

Apparently it works for him but doesn’t mean it will work for us. We do not know if this poster is extremely good looking, has lots of money, very well known, pro athlete, or something to the likes of that.

 

[BrotherAP]

This approach has worked for me.

I'm not well known, extremely good looking, far from rich, definitely not a professional athlete

But I can approach a girl directly and get a good response.

The fact is, this is one of the most simple approaches you can do, and it's almost hard to be missing any element of it. Let me break down what's required for this, in case I didn't make it plain enough -

- Competent Grooming

Look your best. Be clean, have your hair in a style that looks good on you, dress well, smell good. This is crucial.

- Confidence

Everyone knows that confidence is a must. Being confidence doesn't mean she'll automatically like you, but not being confident almost assures that she wont.


There's a myth that everybody seems to believe that cute girls get approached by confident, rich, good looking famous athletes several times a day. This simply isn't true. Some girls are actually frustrated that guys don't have the balls to approach them. Think about it - how many times a day do you see girls getting approached? It simply doesn't happen as much as you think

When they do get approached, usually it's by a guy who barely got the courage to do so after staring at them for so long, usually waiting for the girl to notice him - and usually her deciding that she already doesn't want him to come over. Then he comes over, acting way too nice and not a smidget bold, and she sighs as she rejects yet another guy.

You do want to be nice, but genuinely so. This is just the first line - open her with this, but still make an effort to see what she's all about and if you actually like it instead of going straight for the phone number like you've got tunnel vision. Talk to her, tease her, make her laugh, laugh with her, and if you get along then get that number.

You are not missing anything that prevents you from successfully approaching women, you're just afraid to do it because of underlying insecurities. This is obvious because you try to make successful guys out to be more than they really are - unless you're physically repulsive, than you have more than enough to get out there.

This approach has worked great for me. I'm not exceptionally good looking, in fact I'm maybe average. I've found a look that is good for me, and it makes all the difference, but trust me I'm no Brad Pitt.

Yes, you will get rejected using this approach - especially at the beginning, as you lack the experience to know when to persist and when to pull back.

The fact is, I can tell from reading your posts that you still haven't tried it, wich means that you are in no position to make any claims about how effective it is.

 

[OneArmDeeJay]

This

"Excuse me, but I could not help to notice you while walking here.
I wanted to let you know that you are a stunningly beautiful woman."

Just sounds way too cheesy to work even if you try your best to be James Bond like to ANY women.

I agree when you say “Some girls are actually frustrated that guys don't have the balls to approach them." But those are the usual average or cuties.

However Beautiful and hot girls get that and other similar compliments ALL the time. Maybe it works on the average or cute girl that YOU may think is hot because of X factor but that’s because they don’t usually get that. In my eyes all you’re doing is just making her ego bigger.

That is why I question it NOT because I am “afraid to do it because of underlying insecurities.”

Who knows maybe I will give it a try it wouldn’t kill me but I doubt if it seriously works considering how many have done it in the past and are here.

Just curious BrotherAP do you use the exact same words?

And since you claim to be successful granting your not lying what exactly was the success part, making her laugh and talking to you, getting the number, or what?

 

[BrotherAP]

Originally posted by OneArmDeeJay
Just curious BrotherAP do you use the exact same words?

And since you claim to be successful granting your not lying what exactly was the success part, making her laugh and talking to you, getting the number, or what?

I don't routinely use that approach, but I have tried it using several variations of that phrase - but not those exact words, no, I could never say that exactly. It's just not something I would say.

You don't have to copy the exact words of the approach to capture the spirit of it.

Success to me is getting the girl to talk to you in a natural way - in other words, not trying to get rid of you by ignoring you. I have gotten dates from this approach, and I have gotten cold rejections.

The first few times I tried it, in fact, the girl looked up, muttered a quick 'thanks', and went back to ignoring me. Not knowing what to do next, I would just walk away.

I quickly learned that success depends on calibrating my respose to hers.

Some girls WILL be flattered by these words - usually these are the girls who don't not have an unnaturally huge ego. If you get this response, then you've done well.

If she is short with her response, often some light teasing or humor will get her to open up.

It's not the bets approach, that much I will concede - but it is a very confident one, and by that token I'd hardly consider it AFC.

If your interested in what I've found to be the best approach (for me anyway), I'm more than willing to share.

 

[DJDamage]

"Excuse me, but I could not help to notice you while walking here.I wanted to let you know that you are a stunningly beautiful woman."

I believe that this line would work "better" at places where you normally wouldn't hear this line played out. In bars, clubs and on the beach this sort of line is quite common and many chicks have heard it before, its nothing new.

However it would be more suprising and effective if you walk by a coffee shop and you see a woman sitting there by herself only to walk inside and give her that line.

Or you can just not use a cheezy line and actually start off with being C&F using the environment and the situation you are in as your opening. I found that if you start off being C&F in a friendly manner and then when you develop some sort of rapport with her (when she becomes comfertable with you) that is when its best to get her number (you gauge her interest at first and if you see that she is buying what you are selling then strike and ask for her number).

In a sense you don't need any compliments because you asking for her number is a compliment enough by itself (that is the mindest of a DJ , the woman should feel compliment by him when he asks her for her phone number. He is the prize and if he genuinely believes that, that should manifest itself in his confidence and thus she will believe that as well.)

Do not try and fake confidence. Confidence will come by itself thorugh trial and error until you stop feeling afraid when you approach your target.

DjDamage

 

[BrotherAP]

Good post, DjDamage

I meant to touch on the environment, but I forgot.

This kind of approach pretty much shouldn't be used at a club or a bar. Girls there go out knowing they look good and expecting guys to hit on them.

This approach works great for casual encounters to women during the your normal day - girls in the grocery store, the gas station, outside window shopping. These girls are not necessarily dressed in their absolute hottest outfit, and as such are more likely to be flattered that they are getting hit on at all. Often hitting on them at all flatters them enough that complimenting them is excessive.

Complimenting looks isn't as good as complimenting something that you find indicative of her personality - you liked something about her clothes, a book she was reading, or anything that she wears or has that is interesting enough to warrant a comment from you.

 

[tmpgstx]

It works great for handsome dudes like Brad Pitt, Edward Norton, George Clooney, random NFL jock.

.. And some computer nerds aren't or can't be just as handsome? There's nothing like a hot computer nerd for some chics

Anyway, this exact tip worked on a relative of mine - a very beautiful woman. The guy was quite a bit older so imagine it was charming. She is a bit older too.

I think it would work better on women who have gotten past the 'jerk' stage of dating. Their mentality has changed and they're more receptive and appreciative to it. In the 'jerk' stage, this tip comes across as AFC or 'sappy'.