Was this a bad date...or is there some potential here?

mecca411

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On Friday I went on a "coffee" date with this girl I met at the club last week. She had touched my arm as I walked by so I had no problem stopping to chat with her and chatting her up a bit before hitting the dancefloor with her. We had plenty of grinding and close contact on the dancefloor, but not much in the way of extended conversation because of the loud music. Before I she left I got her number and it wasn't too hard at all. I called her last Wednesday for the first time since meeting her and she sounded happy to hear from me. Even though I was able to get the date in the first 5 minutes she kept me on the phone for about half an hour and conversation was pretty easy with the usual getting to know you questions. A couple hours before the date I called her to confirm and she kept me on the phone for about twenty minutes. She was really easy to talk to so I felt pretty good about being able to find things to talk about with her.

The time was about 9pm and we met a neutral location and the plan was to go get a dessert or coffee, but we ended up deciding to go to a Martini Bar. I greeted her with a hug and she was definitely as cute as I'd remembered. She was a bit stressed though because the bank machine had just eaten $80 of her money(she's a student, so I imagine that money is tight). When we got to the bar we ordered a few martinis (she paid for hers, pulled out a $20 same time as me so I guess she wanted to get mine too but I didn't let her) and conversation was light and easy. We were sitting in an isolated corner with candlelight and mellow music playing in the background. There were a few times where I found it difficult to steer clear of the usual interview type questions about family, school, work, etc. Sometimes I just found it hard to transition. We were sitting across the table from one another, we had great eye contact, but it didn't allow for any touching or closeness.

After she had her martini she started to get a bit tired and would yawn every now and then. Even though I could get her laughing and she never seemed disinterested, that was a little distracting. She had also had a long day and an early class the next morning. I never got any clear vibe from this girl and at one point decided I would just cut my losses and see if she really just wanted to go home. She had mentioned earlier that her friends would be going out that night and I also had a party to attend later. So I asked her, "what time were you going to meet your friends" and she said that she didn't think she would that night and again was looking a bit tired. Then I asked her if she wanted to get going, but she said that she'd rather stay longer since it was a bit chilly outside anyway. So we kept chatting and things were fine, great eye contact, but I still had no idea what she was feeling. We'd been there for about 2 hours. I knew there was a private party downstairs in the Martini Bar, but she didn't so I thought it'd be a bit easier to end things if we got up to head downstairs and then when we found out that the downstairs area was closed off, I could just say, let's get going. She knew that I had a party to attend in the area so she just asked if I'd walk her to the bus stop. One of my buddies called me as I was doing this and I mentioned that I'd stop by where he my other friends were. She asked what was going on there, but I didn't really get into it.

When we got to the bus stop she asked me to stay and wait with her until the bus came. We kept talking and things were fine although the conversation wasn't what I would call sexually charged. She just looked kind of tired and I was getting tired too. She told me she didn't want me to think that she was tired because of me or that she didn't enjoy herself. When the bus came she said that I should take it to where I was heading, but I said it wasn't too far so I would just walk and say goodbye to her there. She said ok and we hugged and I gave her a little kiss on the cheek. She said to give her a call and that was that.

So, what now? Do I bother to call her? She has my number, so should I just wait and see if she calls me? I find this girl attractive, but I left the date feeling a bit dissapointed and dissatisfied. I really have no idea what she thinks of me now. What do you make of this and what do you suggest I do with this situation. Just a bit confused. Thanks.
 

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hmmm...

it sounds like you guys hit it off pretty well at the club, even though the convo was short.

well first of all, if she REALLY was tired and had low IL, she could have just not gone out with you right? I've had girls cancel dates because they were tired, and these were the girls that had low IL. So i would say her interest was sincere, and not worry too much about that.

One of the things she said was, "she didn't want me to think that she was tired because of me or that she didn't enjoy herself". So, what i would do is NOT call her for now...see if she calls you. If she feels the date was might have been hampered by how SHE was acting (feeling tired), then chances are she'll call you first anyway...if her IL is high. It's like a guilty consious thing...
 

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Seriously dude, your post is way too long. I only read a bit before i gave up. If your writing all that much you must over analyzing everything
 

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Well, I don't think you should've stayed on phone with her for that long during the inital conversation ! Get the date, then end the convo - you're too busy to just chat on the phone w/ her forever, you got other things going on..
I think you should call her and set up another date if you're interested in her, don't wait for her to call you. And if/when you get the next date, try to get a bit more intimate with her - more kino, etc... If she's into you - cool, if not screw it
Hope that helps
 

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Definately take her out again. Being a student with a job I know how stressful/busy things can get. I often run very low on sleep for a week at a time in order to have more time for myself. Take her out on a day where she has a light load so she's won't be as tired. It is ok to be a flexible, as long as you're being assertive.
 

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I think you did pretty good. It was in a sense "a bad date", but not because of you personally, or her IL. It was more the circumstances which were far from ideal. There are a few things you could have done differently, which I think would have helped (boost her IL). My feeling is that it was already pretty high though. I'm far from a dating expert, so take my comments with a grain of salt. :)

Originally posted by mecca411
On Friday I went on a "coffee" date with this girl I met at the club last week.
Best to avoid Friday and Saturday nights for a 1st date with a girl. This sends two messages to her.
1) You had nothing else to do that night. I know you had a party afterwards, but still not the best thing to do.
2) Friday and Saturday dates are for your #1 girl, so that gives her the subconcious message that your IL in her is high, and that you have no other prospects. Not the best position to put yourself in, unless you're sure her IL is sky-high.
Even though I was able to get the date in the first 5 minutes she kept me on the phone for about half an hour and conversation was pretty easy with the usual getting to know you questions.
Best to keep the phone convos as short as possible until you're getting serious with a girl. The getting to know you questions are what you do during the date, not on the phone. I know it's hard getting off the phone with most girls. They're motor-mouths and love talking on the phone. :D The easiest way out is to say something like "I have things to do" or "I have to go now", and tell her you'll chat on the date.
A couple hours before the date I called her to confirm and she kept me on the phone for about twenty minutes.
Avoid doing this unless absolutely necessary. It sends the message that you're anxious about the date, and not confident she'll show up. And again, keep phone convos to setting up dates only, not chatting her up. Chat with her when you're actually with her.
There were a few times where I found it difficult to steer clear of the usual interview type questions about family, school, work, etc. Sometimes I just found it hard to transition. We were sitting across the table from one another, we had great eye contact, but it didn't allow for any touching or closeness.
That's tough, I agree. I'm still having trouble with that myself. I've found sitting across a table can be fine for the beginning of a date, until you have the impression that she's comfortable with you and trusts that you're not a psycho. ;) Usually no more than 15-30 minutes. After that, if you feel her IL is acceptable, it's best to get moving so you can apply some kino and "lead" her. That way she subconciously feels that you two have a "relationship", and aren't just on a date.
After she had her martini she started to get a bit tired and would yawn every now and then. Even though I could get her laughing and she never seemed disinterested, that was a little distracting. She had also had a long day and an early class the next morning. I never got any clear vibe from this girl and at one point decided I would just cut my losses and see if she really just wanted to go home. She had mentioned earlier that her friends would be going out that night and I also had a party to attend later. So I asked her, "what time were you going to meet your friends" and she said that she didn't think she would that night and again was looking a bit tired. Then I asked her if she wanted to get going, but she said that she'd rather stay longer since it was a bit chilly outside anyway. So we kept chatting and things were fine, great eye contact, but I still had no idea what she was feeling. We'd been there for about 2 hours.
This gives me the feeling that her IL was pretty good, as she didn't want to get away from the date. What was her attitude like? Did she give you the impression that she was just being polite, or really didn't want to leave? I think you should have cut it off anyway, since she was tired, and that's not a good setting for you leaving an enjoyable impression on her. But since her IL seems to have been high, I don't think it hurt you a lot. I'm not that good at feeling IL yet though, so other I'd like to see other opinions.
When we got to the bus stop she asked me to stay and wait with her until the bus came. We kept talking and things were fine although the conversation wasn't what I would call sexually charged. She just looked kind of tired and I was getting tired too. She told me she didn't want me to think that she was tired because of me or that she didn't enjoy herself. When the bus came she said that I should take it to where I was heading, but I said it wasn't too far so I would just walk and say goodbye to her there. She said ok and we hugged and I gave her a little kiss on the cheek. She said to give her a call and that was that.
This girl sounds a little cligny/needy. Possibly a red flag, all depending on what you want and what your tolerance for that character trait is. It might also have been a test to see how "co-operative" (read: AFC) you are, and how much into her you are. She sounds like a nice person though, and considerate. Again, this part gives me a feeling that her IL is high, but the whole bit of her being tired, and there being not much sexual energy as a consequence puts you at risk of ending up in the FriendZone.
Do I bother to call her? She has my number, so should I just wait and see if she calls me? I find this girl attractive, but I left the date feeling a bit dissapointed and dissatisfied.
I think you should call her. Her IL seems decent, and she asked you to. Why wait for her to do it? Of course, only do it if you want to. How do you feel about her? That's the important question...
 

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Solid advice guys! We went out on Friday and it's now Monday, so when do I call her if I DO decide to take her our again? Where should I take her this time? I know she has exams this week and maybe some of next so how should I approach this? Thanks.
 

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you're thinking too much.
just call whenever the hell you feel like it and suggest some fun activity you would enjoy
 
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