I'd say that Jackson was most likely asexual. He could have had just about woman in the world, if he was straight he would have surely have banged at least a hundred women. I certainly don't think he was gay and there is no evidence to suggest he is.
Was Michael Jackson the ultimate AFC?
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You ever been around gay guys? It's not scientific or anything but Michael's interests, choice in friends, appearance, feminine mannerisms, etc. are more common among the homosexual population than among the straight population.Smack said:
You can tell a lot about a man by the porn he likes. And Michael had straight porn as well as gay porn(ish).
Yes I have been around gay guys and used to live with one. MJ seems more like an asexual than a homo or bisexual. He could have had almost any woman or gay man he wanted. He was the king of pop, after all.
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Had Michael Jackson been gay a ton of secret boyfriends would have already come out to reveal it to get their 15 minutes of fame and even if they kept their mouths shut about it, it would only be a matter of time before The Enquirer, TMZ, Entertainment Tonight and all the other garbage culture rotting publications and programs exposed it for all the sales, ratings, hype and other goodies it would bring in for them.
In other words if he were truly gay it'd be too juicy a story for these sleazy publications/shows to give him a pass on and let it remain on the down low.
I stand by this opinion that others have brought forth...
Psychologically repressed 10 year old boy in a man's body that exhibits asexual character pattern and personality.
Also another poster said look at his friends to prove that he was gay...uh bro he wasn't exactly paling around with Barbra Streisand and Christopher Lowell.
He only hung around with Liz Taylor because his taste in female friends was that they were exotic and had an almost royal quality about them. Liz being one of the most famous women in the world who at one time played the queen of Egypt Cleopatra makes sense for being the friend of a man who would come to be known by the moniker "The King of Pop".
Know who his other friends were that the media didn't quite focus on?
Notorious B.I.G, Pdiddy, 2pac, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, The Game (not Triple H but the rapper), Usher, Chris Tucker, etc.
So he hung around with a lot of straight guys and he had a wide assortment of exotic women he was friends with.
The point? The stereotypical gay tends to mostly hang out with women because the stereotypical effeminate gay feels more comfortable in their presence and in the presence of other effeminate gays.
MJ gets charged with having been effeminate but I think thats only because he used a falsetto for his singing voice.
Other than that he carried himself in public for the most part like the classic Pook version of the DJ which is a good guy with a bit of an edge and high confidence about him.
Nothing effeminate in that.
Maybe a bit more gentle than the average man as he was not involved in needless shouting matches or ridiculous feuds like so many other celebrities in his musical field.
Yeah though gentleness, humbleness and kindness are mistaken in MJ for being effeminate when those qualities most often tend to be the qualities of a young child ie the 10 year old boy which MJ psychologically remained his entire life.
In other words if he were truly gay it'd be too juicy a story for these sleazy publications/shows to give him a pass on and let it remain on the down low.
I stand by this opinion that others have brought forth...
Psychologically repressed 10 year old boy in a man's body that exhibits asexual character pattern and personality.
Also another poster said look at his friends to prove that he was gay...uh bro he wasn't exactly paling around with Barbra Streisand and Christopher Lowell.
He only hung around with Liz Taylor because his taste in female friends was that they were exotic and had an almost royal quality about them. Liz being one of the most famous women in the world who at one time played the queen of Egypt Cleopatra makes sense for being the friend of a man who would come to be known by the moniker "The King of Pop".
Know who his other friends were that the media didn't quite focus on?
Notorious B.I.G, Pdiddy, 2pac, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, The Game (not Triple H but the rapper), Usher, Chris Tucker, etc.
So he hung around with a lot of straight guys and he had a wide assortment of exotic women he was friends with.
The point? The stereotypical gay tends to mostly hang out with women because the stereotypical effeminate gay feels more comfortable in their presence and in the presence of other effeminate gays.
MJ gets charged with having been effeminate but I think thats only because he used a falsetto for his singing voice.
Other than that he carried himself in public for the most part like the classic Pook version of the DJ which is a good guy with a bit of an edge and high confidence about him.
Nothing effeminate in that.
Maybe a bit more gentle than the average man as he was not involved in needless shouting matches or ridiculous feuds like so many other celebrities in his musical field.
Yeah though gentleness, humbleness and kindness are mistaken in MJ for being effeminate when those qualities most often tend to be the qualities of a young child ie the 10 year old boy which MJ psychologically remained his entire life.
They have.KontrollerX said:
http://news.celebritywonder.com/2009/06/29/Michael_Jackson_Homosexual_Allegations.html
http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xml...ace.s ex.lover claims gay affair with jackson
Don't forget Liza Minnelli, Diana Ross and the aforementioned Liberace. All big gay icons. Don't forget his love of Marilyn Monroe and Liza Minnelli's mother Judy Garland. Nothing wrong with loving them of course, but they are gay icons of the past.
I've always thought (and heard) Puff Daddy was bisexual too.
As for the others, I'm going to take your word for it. Never saw them together though. And, if it's true, other than Magic and Tucker, that's a sad list to be friends with I gotta say.
And speaking voice. Well...his speaking voice in public. His speaking voice in private was deeper and louder.
He also looked effeminate and acted effeminate. He was practically a crossdresser!
Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.
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Looks like there's some truth to it, but you forget you're reading celebrity magazines. Most of this sh*t is garbage and its hard to tell what's real and what's been rushed so the publisher can make a quick buck on a 'breaking' story. As far as being a pedophile, he was declared NOT GUILTY on all counts by a judge and jury. I find it hard to believe a magazine has more evidence available to them than trial lawyers.FairShake said:
Maybe he was gay? Dude was pretty feminine and definitely not interested in women.
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"They have."
Thorson is just one guy, a polygraph can be passed by anyone that simply remains calm during the questioning and thinks of a different question and answer in place of the one the interviewer is giving as in if I wanted to beat a lie detector test and the guy asks me a question that I know I will have to lie about I'll ask myself a question via a thought that I know the answer I give to myself will be true for and then I'll answer yes to the tester and pass it and also the other stories mysteriously appeared immediately after Jackson died and there really was no reason those men couldn't have come forward while he was alive.
Either way they'd get paid for their story by some entertainment rag or book deal. Not wanting to hurt Michael wouldn't be a legitimate reason for them not coming forward sooner either because allegations like these hurt the man's reputation anyway. Not because homosexuality is wrong but because Michael has always maintained that he was not gay.
If he really was gay I maintain that a star of his caliber and access would have had access to countless men and those countless men would have come forward much much sooner trying to cash in on his celebrity especially in his heyday ala the 1980's when he was at the top of the world and height of his stardom being invited to visit Ronald and Nancy Reagan at the White House among other honors.
For example during the height of his run for the White House Barack Obama had Larry Sinclair come forward and expose to the national press club that the two men had not only smoked crack together but engaged in homosexual activity.
My point being that if you are at the top of your game and you've got skeletons in your closet they will be exposed when you are at the top of your game.
Nothing happened to Jackson in the 80's of this nature when it would've been the prime time to do it and ruin him while collecting a big cash payout from the gossip rags at the same time.
"Don't forget Liza Minnelli, Diana Ross and the aforementioned Liberace. All big gay icons. Don't forget his love of Marilyn Monroe and Liza Minnelli's mother Judy Garland. Nothing wrong with loving them of course, but they are gay icons of the past."
The guy was largely surrounded by yes men and had no childhood and this caused him to literally think of himself as a kind of king not just the king of pop.
As well he thought of himself as Peter Pan and literally said to Martin Breshir that he is Peter Pan in his heart.
In the documentary by Martin Breshir he and Jackson go to an expensive store together and Jackson is picking out all of these royal kingly type of things to buy and Brashir remarks that its like Louie the 14th (King of France) and asks Jackson why he is interested in such extravagant things and Michael simply replies that its his taste.
Watching him react to items in the store was not in line with watching a flamboyant homosexual like Little Richard or Christopher Lowell marvelling over the glory in overdramatic glee of the shiny gold items in front of them but rather an awe struck 10 year old who continues to be amazed at the beauty of the world around him who also fancies himself a king of sorts.
As for the celebrity list you posted I'm not sure I'd agree they are all gay icons especially Marilyn Monroe who is moreso a universal icon beloved by everyone no matter race, color, creed, sexual gender etc.
And as I already pointed out and many media outlets have pointed out most of the entertainment community in general were friends with and loved Michael Jackson so of course he's going to have tons of gay icons as friends as he was friends with pretty much everyone in Hollywood and the entertainment business.
"As for the others, I'm going to take your word for it. Never saw them together though. And, if it's true, other than Magic and Tucker, that's a sad list to be friends with I gotta say."
B.I.G and 2pac worked on Michael's HIStory album with him. B.I.G actually rapped on it and I think 2pac may of done some sort of work for him be it with beats or lyrics or some such.
Michael was obviously happy with the results since he allowed 2pac to turn his song Liberian Girl into a rap song...
2pac's rap version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaI1NghDgc4
Michael's original version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjtI2WZTZ9k
"He also looked effeminate and acted effeminate. He was practically a crossdresser!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzNiZ4CjSsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7RDCDLLIm8
I don't see anything effeminette in either video.
The first being a famous performance where he exhibits all the cool ****y confidence and flamboyance of a Pook styled DJ.
The second being a documentary where we get to see the real man in every day life who seems like a kind gentle humble yet tortured soul.
Hey though I can't disagree that his appearance in the end was highly disturbing but I thought it was mostly an adrogynous asexual look, not effeminite just weird and eccentric. In the end I agree with another poster whose post I read online say that he thought Jackson evolved from a black boy into a white woman and then finely became something moreso resembling something out of Japanese anime than a living human being and then the poster remarked that he thought perhaps that was what Jackson was trying to acheive all along ie to transcend his own humanity.
Thats a bit too deep for me to fully sign on with but what I do believe in the appearance change he innadvertently took on a look that revealed his asexual nature motivated by his conscious and subconscious mind once again that being an androgenous look.
Thorson is just one guy, a polygraph can be passed by anyone that simply remains calm during the questioning and thinks of a different question and answer in place of the one the interviewer is giving as in if I wanted to beat a lie detector test and the guy asks me a question that I know I will have to lie about I'll ask myself a question via a thought that I know the answer I give to myself will be true for and then I'll answer yes to the tester and pass it and also the other stories mysteriously appeared immediately after Jackson died and there really was no reason those men couldn't have come forward while he was alive.
Either way they'd get paid for their story by some entertainment rag or book deal. Not wanting to hurt Michael wouldn't be a legitimate reason for them not coming forward sooner either because allegations like these hurt the man's reputation anyway. Not because homosexuality is wrong but because Michael has always maintained that he was not gay.
If he really was gay I maintain that a star of his caliber and access would have had access to countless men and those countless men would have come forward much much sooner trying to cash in on his celebrity especially in his heyday ala the 1980's when he was at the top of the world and height of his stardom being invited to visit Ronald and Nancy Reagan at the White House among other honors.
For example during the height of his run for the White House Barack Obama had Larry Sinclair come forward and expose to the national press club that the two men had not only smoked crack together but engaged in homosexual activity.
My point being that if you are at the top of your game and you've got skeletons in your closet they will be exposed when you are at the top of your game.
Nothing happened to Jackson in the 80's of this nature when it would've been the prime time to do it and ruin him while collecting a big cash payout from the gossip rags at the same time.
"Don't forget Liza Minnelli, Diana Ross and the aforementioned Liberace. All big gay icons. Don't forget his love of Marilyn Monroe and Liza Minnelli's mother Judy Garland. Nothing wrong with loving them of course, but they are gay icons of the past."
The guy was largely surrounded by yes men and had no childhood and this caused him to literally think of himself as a kind of king not just the king of pop.
As well he thought of himself as Peter Pan and literally said to Martin Breshir that he is Peter Pan in his heart.
In the documentary by Martin Breshir he and Jackson go to an expensive store together and Jackson is picking out all of these royal kingly type of things to buy and Brashir remarks that its like Louie the 14th (King of France) and asks Jackson why he is interested in such extravagant things and Michael simply replies that its his taste.
Watching him react to items in the store was not in line with watching a flamboyant homosexual like Little Richard or Christopher Lowell marvelling over the glory in overdramatic glee of the shiny gold items in front of them but rather an awe struck 10 year old who continues to be amazed at the beauty of the world around him who also fancies himself a king of sorts.
As for the celebrity list you posted I'm not sure I'd agree they are all gay icons especially Marilyn Monroe who is moreso a universal icon beloved by everyone no matter race, color, creed, sexual gender etc.
And as I already pointed out and many media outlets have pointed out most of the entertainment community in general were friends with and loved Michael Jackson so of course he's going to have tons of gay icons as friends as he was friends with pretty much everyone in Hollywood and the entertainment business.
"As for the others, I'm going to take your word for it. Never saw them together though. And, if it's true, other than Magic and Tucker, that's a sad list to be friends with I gotta say."
B.I.G and 2pac worked on Michael's HIStory album with him. B.I.G actually rapped on it and I think 2pac may of done some sort of work for him be it with beats or lyrics or some such.
Michael was obviously happy with the results since he allowed 2pac to turn his song Liberian Girl into a rap song...
2pac's rap version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaI1NghDgc4
Michael's original version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjtI2WZTZ9k
"He also looked effeminate and acted effeminate. He was practically a crossdresser!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzNiZ4CjSsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7RDCDLLIm8
I don't see anything effeminette in either video.
The first being a famous performance where he exhibits all the cool ****y confidence and flamboyance of a Pook styled DJ.
The second being a documentary where we get to see the real man in every day life who seems like a kind gentle humble yet tortured soul.
Hey though I can't disagree that his appearance in the end was highly disturbing but I thought it was mostly an adrogynous asexual look, not effeminite just weird and eccentric. In the end I agree with another poster whose post I read online say that he thought Jackson evolved from a black boy into a white woman and then finely became something moreso resembling something out of Japanese anime than a living human being and then the poster remarked that he thought perhaps that was what Jackson was trying to acheive all along ie to transcend his own humanity.
Thats a bit too deep for me to fully sign on with but what I do believe in the appearance change he innadvertently took on a look that revealed his asexual nature motivated by his conscious and subconscious mind once again that being an androgenous look.
Fuzzx,
I had watched the whole series of that living with Micheal documentary that Kontroller posted. It kind of gave an idea of what it would be like to be a celebrity from their point of view and deal with fan hysteria anytime you leave the confines of your home or hotel. I don't know how celebrities CANNOT have contempt for their fans. I was starting to feel contempt for the fans in documentary. I thought MJ handles his fans pretty graciously given the circus that would follow him everywhere he went. He'd walk into a store in Vegas and by the time he was done shopping there were hundreds of people with their faces pressed against the glass looking in, taking pictures sticking paper in his hand for an autograph, asking for hugs. I couldn't even imagine having to live like that my whole life. No wonder celebrities at that level have such distorted senses of what is appropriate. They cannot socialize as normal human beings and are cut off from society and lose sense of what is considered appropriate behavior and values for the rest of humanity.
I have a personal rule. If I see a celebrity, no matter who it is, I act is if I don't even know who they are. If Tom Hanks were to walk up and ask me for directions, I'd just give him directions, make no mention of who he is, not ask for an autograph and then promptly go about my business. I actually do this out of empathy. If I were a celebrity, I would like the ability to walk down the street like a normal person and enjoy the sunshine without being mobbed or surrounded by papparazzi. Why some people worship other people, I don't know. For that celebrity, whatever that person does that made them famous, it's just a job. JUST a job. They aren't superhuman. They sh*t, eat, get sick, cry, pout, laugh, bleed and die like the rest of us. Celebrity worship makes zero sense to me. Just leave them alone.
Also, in that video, I was surprised at the brazeness of Michael Jackson's lies. That he could look right at the camera and say he's only had 2 nose jobs and that the rest of his facial changes happened naturally from growing up. I was like WOW, what kind of bubble does this guy live in that he can say to the world that he'd done nothing to the rest of his face and think we're supposed to believe it. I was floored. After seeing the video, I think it's more likely that he molested kids since he is that dishonest.
addendum - He straight up lied to and says his kids came from his sperm. At the time the kids were always hidden under veils and masks. Now that they are out in the open, it's clear as day those kids have no black genes in them. You must wonder why he lied about it. He could've just said he was adopting some kids if he didn't want kids of his own genes for whatever reason(and I suspect he hated being black so much that he even wanted his kids to be white and didn't want to "poison" them with black genes). I feel more pity than anger for his shame in being black. His father made fun of black features and it was burned into his brain making him hate himself.
I had watched the whole series of that living with Micheal documentary that Kontroller posted. It kind of gave an idea of what it would be like to be a celebrity from their point of view and deal with fan hysteria anytime you leave the confines of your home or hotel. I don't know how celebrities CANNOT have contempt for their fans. I was starting to feel contempt for the fans in documentary. I thought MJ handles his fans pretty graciously given the circus that would follow him everywhere he went. He'd walk into a store in Vegas and by the time he was done shopping there were hundreds of people with their faces pressed against the glass looking in, taking pictures sticking paper in his hand for an autograph, asking for hugs. I couldn't even imagine having to live like that my whole life. No wonder celebrities at that level have such distorted senses of what is appropriate. They cannot socialize as normal human beings and are cut off from society and lose sense of what is considered appropriate behavior and values for the rest of humanity.
I have a personal rule. If I see a celebrity, no matter who it is, I act is if I don't even know who they are. If Tom Hanks were to walk up and ask me for directions, I'd just give him directions, make no mention of who he is, not ask for an autograph and then promptly go about my business. I actually do this out of empathy. If I were a celebrity, I would like the ability to walk down the street like a normal person and enjoy the sunshine without being mobbed or surrounded by papparazzi. Why some people worship other people, I don't know. For that celebrity, whatever that person does that made them famous, it's just a job. JUST a job. They aren't superhuman. They sh*t, eat, get sick, cry, pout, laugh, bleed and die like the rest of us. Celebrity worship makes zero sense to me. Just leave them alone.
Also, in that video, I was surprised at the brazeness of Michael Jackson's lies. That he could look right at the camera and say he's only had 2 nose jobs and that the rest of his facial changes happened naturally from growing up. I was like WOW, what kind of bubble does this guy live in that he can say to the world that he'd done nothing to the rest of his face and think we're supposed to believe it. I was floored. After seeing the video, I think it's more likely that he molested kids since he is that dishonest.
addendum - He straight up lied to and says his kids came from his sperm. At the time the kids were always hidden under veils and masks. Now that they are out in the open, it's clear as day those kids have no black genes in them. You must wonder why he lied about it. He could've just said he was adopting some kids if he didn't want kids of his own genes for whatever reason(and I suspect he hated being black so much that he even wanted his kids to be white and didn't want to "poison" them with black genes). I feel more pity than anger for his shame in being black. His father made fun of black features and it was burned into his brain making him hate himself.
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Who the fvck did Michael Jackson have to explain his surgery to? Did he sign some waiver where he had to reveal the ins and outs of every single thing he did to his body or who he was friends with? He had some kind of obligation to get people's approval and to accept of his physical appearance and his behavior? THAT IS AFC.
Damn. Ever since MJ died all I have done is feel sorry for him and feel ashamed that I, like everyone else, had something to do with making those jokes, those assumptions, getting a cheap laugh at someone else's expense. It's wrong. It's wrong for me to do it and it sure as hell is wrong for people to actually get PAID to make fun of someone else, and point out all the "weird" things about them.
"Michael Jackson was a child molestor and I hate him!!!" To those who say that, I say, "Who the fvck are YOU that a)you actually have knowledge of this and b) that you are any better as an individual? Take care of your OWN BULLSHYT before you start wandering around criticizing other people, especially people you will NEVER KNOW on a personal basis.
Maybe he was gay. Maybe he was bi. Maybe he was just a really insecure guy who did not know how to relate to the world like an adult, after bascially never having the opportunity to grow up as a normal person. Whatever he was, or wasn't, I hope that some people will be able to move on with their lives not knowing for sure.
The night of his funeral, I went to a bar and when the MJ topic came up someof the guys were literally SHOUTING that he was "a fvcking freak" or a "fvcking child molestor piece of shyt" or what have you.
So is this alpha behavior... being so threatened by an effeminite looking man that it causes you to come out of your skull? That's a heterosexual, real man, with his shyt together? The second he sees someone different than him, he ALLOWS that person to take posession and ownership of him, and affect his state? What the fvck is wrong with this world?
Anyway, I'll end my rambling. I have downloaded most of his music and am really enjoying hearing some of his songs I have never heard before, and actually appreciting the music he left behind. Before I couldn't hear it because I was jacked into the matrix. I couldn't hear the music through all the celebrity gossip, stupid rumors, and stupider jokes about someone's personal life, and their physical appearance.
Anywayz.
Damn. Ever since MJ died all I have done is feel sorry for him and feel ashamed that I, like everyone else, had something to do with making those jokes, those assumptions, getting a cheap laugh at someone else's expense. It's wrong. It's wrong for me to do it and it sure as hell is wrong for people to actually get PAID to make fun of someone else, and point out all the "weird" things about them.
"Michael Jackson was a child molestor and I hate him!!!" To those who say that, I say, "Who the fvck are YOU that a)you actually have knowledge of this and b) that you are any better as an individual? Take care of your OWN BULLSHYT before you start wandering around criticizing other people, especially people you will NEVER KNOW on a personal basis.
Maybe he was gay. Maybe he was bi. Maybe he was just a really insecure guy who did not know how to relate to the world like an adult, after bascially never having the opportunity to grow up as a normal person. Whatever he was, or wasn't, I hope that some people will be able to move on with their lives not knowing for sure.
The night of his funeral, I went to a bar and when the MJ topic came up someof the guys were literally SHOUTING that he was "a fvcking freak" or a "fvcking child molestor piece of shyt" or what have you.
So is this alpha behavior... being so threatened by an effeminite looking man that it causes you to come out of your skull? That's a heterosexual, real man, with his shyt together? The second he sees someone different than him, he ALLOWS that person to take posession and ownership of him, and affect his state? What the fvck is wrong with this world?
Anyway, I'll end my rambling. I have downloaded most of his music and am really enjoying hearing some of his songs I have never heard before, and actually appreciting the music he left behind. Before I couldn't hear it because I was jacked into the matrix. I couldn't hear the music through all the celebrity gossip, stupid rumors, and stupider jokes about someone's personal life, and their physical appearance.
Anywayz.
Peace and Quiet
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
Oh yeah, that "Living With Michael Jackson" Documentary. That was a hatchet job. There is a follow-up, hosted by Maury Povich, in which is shown the footage that MJ filmed himself, of the same interview. It paints a much more stable picture of MJ and the phony journalist himeself repeatedly says how impressed he is with MJ's parenting skills, and how he is there to tell the story of how good a person MJ is... don't know how that guy sleeps at night. Character assasination.
Here it be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvhwWDCV9Bo
Here it be:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvhwWDCV9Bo
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MJ had his priorities right, he didn't care about banging dat ass, he cared about the world and its state and peoples happiness. That's why he's a greater man than some people on this site will ever be, yes i'm talking about you who is sitting there dissing him from your keyboard while scratching your nuts. Get some fresh air.
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I remember thinking when that Living with Michael Jackson special originally aired that it seemed to have a bit of a sinister spin. I had no idea that other version was out there. It really paints Bashir as sort of a snake. At times, some of the doubletalking he was doing when his cameras were off made him sound like one of MJ's yes men.
Peace and Quiet
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
Ken785
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I don't think Michael Jackson had any type of martial arts training to be an Ultimate UFC...i mean sure he can kick really good... (as we've seen in his crotch grabbing dance routine) but surely the people at the UFC would require you to be more experienced in combat fighting before you can step in the cage... 