Wake up DJs!

[Al Moh.]

Are you trying to tell me, that you went from AFC to DJ without ever approaching, including strangers just to talk with them?

Guys, there are two perspectives: As a DJ, you might say that you don't need to approach because you are socially secure and achived this on another way. But from the point of an AFC or an aspiring DJ I think it is destrictive to say, that you don't need to approach, or talk to strangers, or do the BC or something similar. It's about breaking your shell and getting outside, away from your computer. I am totally fine if you would do something like the BC and then say: "cold approaches is not for me". But telling all the people now that it is not necessary is not going to help them!

 

[MacAvoy]

Are you trying to tell me, that you went from AFC to DJ without ever approaching, including strangers just to talk with them?

The simple answer is yes. What's important note is that there are many paths to the end goal. Approaching is one approach, the easiest for many people.

How do I do? Through my social circle, by DHV, by being a fun person to be around, by being charismatic, confident & a cool cucumber.

My last lay, I never approached her, I didn't even pay much attention to her. However I did all the right things when she was around. When the time was right, I made my move and went in for the kill.

I'm not trying to derail you or discourage you. Stay on your path, I'm just saying be open to other options as they may arise.

Its funny when I was 20-21, I use to wonder why all these girls picked me up because the first 10-15 girls, I never made a move on, they all sought me. This was true of the girl who took my vcard, of the stripper when I was 18 who was my 2nd girl ever and so on.

 

[MacAvoy]

Another example that my method is valid

I think studying game is a waste of time because I don't believe in it, but I think it's more important to build a good social circle and have a healthy social life rather than having muscles. It's hard to get laid and get into relationships if you don't have high social value.

 

[SinJester]

There's so much jargon on these forums is sometimes hard to make your point.

'Game' doesn't neccesary mean canned lines. What about 'natural game'? Which some of you are playing when you know it or not. In my opinion game and social skills are almost synonymous, apart from we only use one when it ivolves the opposite sex. For some people approaching is a great way to break out of their shell and gain some social skills. It is hard to build a good social circle and have a great social life if you don't have general social skills.

Things is the DJ Bible if used correctly and sorted out from some other stuff not only help you get girls but generally increase your respect from other guys and your ability to be social. Approaching doesn't have to use Mystery Method or whatever.

You see it's all a means to the same end. I don't do approaches because I in my small school and town it would cause what I like to call the 'ElStud effect' . I am just thinking that there is probably a lot of really shy unsociable people here, I'm not saying the majority or pointing the finger but I'm sure some of us have been there. Telling him to get hobbies and go to the gym would make him and interesting buff guy that's still lonley. I can see cold approaches doing wonders for these guys if they actually do it. Not only because it would improve 'cold approach skill #23' or whatever but the confidence and social skills gained from that would probably affect the other areas of his life in a positive way. I would like to make it clear that I am only going off second hand experiance here.

Another point is that if you suddenly start being 'alpha, c/f' or whatever in front of people you know they will wonder what's up and probably ask why you aren't 'being yourself' and try and put you down to where you started. In cold approaches you can do what you want.

I'm not attacking or definding anyone. I'm just trying to get accross that everyone should have an open mind and try new things. As soon as I move I want to try cold approaches, which I have't really done like I've said.

Pleaaase don't think 'routines' everytime someone mentions game. I'm all about natural game and so are many peopl here. If you naturally attract people using your charisma and confidence you are by my definition runnint 'natural game'. You simply already have great social skills where some people don't.

Also I don't want anyone falling into the trap of 'just working on game' and neglecting other areas of your life because it ends bad. But NEVER put off working on your game/social skills/trying to get a girlfriend by thinking "I'll wait to I've lost weight/put on weight/improve my style/any other excuse". This leads to you ending up at the same place, albeit slightly improved in some areas in your life if you actually followed through with the goals, and still not having the magic confidence to approach women you thought you would now have. The thing is sometimes things can happen and after a time you don't end up losing your weight or whatever you sent out to do and you wasted all that time and have't gone anywhere. Like I said I've falled\n for both of these. You can't think 'I'm going to focus on self-improvement because Pook said it would attract women'. It doesn't work.

So whatever path you take keep an open mind and a general balance in your life.

 

[schttrj]

i agree with sinjester on what he said.

natural game is when you get a girl like you naturally, you don't try to do anything but it just happens. i define 'naturals' in two ways: naturals are naturals because they learn this naturally and dont need anyone's help specifically on that. they learn from themselves and naturals are naturals because they have LOTS OF GIRLS AROUND THEM naturally. these are 'naturals'. its not if they approach or not or they are the social butterfly or not, that counts only their success counts. and for that you need a basic indepth understanding of the psychology of women and humans.

regarding cold approach, i think i have an anology. i find getting a woman is somewhat similar to job. job application can be done two ways: one when the vacancy is advertised in newspapers or any other massmedia, we apply for the job or when we just drop in our resume or cv in a company of our choice to check if there is any vacancy or not. if there is and we are qualified, we are in! its the same with getting women. you either need to create a situation where you NEED to meet women and they will let you know if they are open, or you just NEED to CA every woman you see and feel worthy of u to check if she is open.

the ultimatel goal is to get women. DJ is not about being able to CA but DJ is who has women around him all the time.