Virging and Inexperienced guys - you are all messed up in the head!!

[synergy1]

i don't really agree with most of the garbage posting in OP, but I do notice kids who have not gotten any tend to aim higher than they should. Most importantly, they pass up opportunities more often.

 

[Mad Manic]

Total BS. Women don't have a '6th sense' or whatever. They'll judge you on what they see and hear regarding you. I don't believe you're less than a 5 if you haven't slept with many women. How on earth can girls choose you based on your sex ability if choosing is prior to sex? So a 6' 2" guy who is good looking, built and ripped, great personality, wealthy etc. is a 3 if he has slept with say less than 5 women? Whatever, most women are shallow and clueless. Press the right buttons and you're in, whether you've slept with 100 or 0.

Even the guys who got good with girls always put it down to improvements in personality and looks. The sexing comes AFTER this is nailed.

MM

 

[Maxtro]

Interesting thread...

I'm by no means that experienced...but I have been with around 15 women in my time. I'm now happily committed in a relationship. This is my first real LTR at age 25. As AFCsavior said, I think sexuality and sexual confidence is key when it comes to attracting hotter women. Sexual confidence comes from practice. To me sex is used to fulfill a physical drive. Its like eating. You do it because it feels good, and it propagates the species!

Heh I'd say that 15 women is pretty experienced considering that the average man has 3-5 partners. I agree that sexuality and sexual confidence is very important to attracting women. But can one get sexual confidence from banging ugly / fat girls? What gives sexual confidence?

I think being comfortable with the woman you're with is extremely important. I've really opened up and uncaged by sexuality with my gf because we're very comfortable with each other...

Now what do you mean by comfortable. I know that I am generally uncomfortable with women but I really can't figure out what I'm missing.

I've been with several women that I'd consider "under my league", because it was really easy to get with them.

How is it easy to get with the girls that are "below me." Honestly I don't know how to get any women and I feel that it would be harder to get a fat girl because I wouldn't actually desire her.

hm it makes me wonder, how do women know if you are innocent or not? Especially if you exude confidence....

Simple. You are innocent if you don't exude confidence.

But the fact is, you looked 'cute and innoscent' and that was an attraction basis for someone.

Yeah it attracted women in their 40's... I would never consider a relationship with an older woman. Also the location was easy mode, as in it didn't really count. If I met her in a bar or somewhere in real life then it would be better.

But I see a connection here, Maxtro, is that, we feel free to explore our sexuality on venues like AFF or with pros, because they are safe, that's what they are there to do for that purpose,

I wouldn't really use the word safe, more like easy. I didn't have to do any work, and there wasn't any fear of rejection, which I guess does mean they are safe. I used those venues because I was desperate. Back then, having sex, was the most important thing to me.

yet there is a block when it comes to normal girls, and that's essentially the problems. We see normal girls as having double-standards with us, where they'll be sexual with one guy, yet have their guards up with us or humiliate us when we try something - so it's not a safe venue to be sexual or practise sexuality with normal girls in our minds, because we are not that type of guy that they are opening up to sexually.

I don't really fear that women will humiliate me anymore. That hasn't happened since sophomore year of high school, when both of use were 16. Most girls are generally nicer than those days. The problem is that with the real girls it's well, real. The prize to me (sex with them and their company) is great. But I don't take the risks because I already know the outcome. I know they aren't sexual to me because I'm not sexual with them. Thats because I just don't know how to be. The worst thing is that I'm not yet comfortable touching women when that is the primary way that guys show their sexuality.

That's a profound comment: The sex with her would be on my terms.
So, sex with her on her terms doesn't help you I guess.

So - in our worlds - only women from AFF and pros like to have sex and dont mind us being sexual with them, but normal girls have their guard up and like 'other' guys that are sexual and would bite our heads off if we try to be sexual with them?

Sex on my terms means that I can fuck them when I want to. There is no point in having a girl if you can only have sex with her when she wants to.

I dissagre with you on your last statement. Almost all women are sexual and they only have their guard up if you have been acting weird with or around them. If you can show them that you are a cool, normal guy, then there is a lot you can get away with. If you come off as a creep /weirdo to her, she will bite your head off if you try to touch her.

To the OP:

What do you mean being sexual? Do you mean kino? Do you mean high-risk kino? Do you mean asking women if they want to have sex with you? I just dont get what that means.

I know that this was not direct at me but I do understand partly at what being sexual being sexual is. Yes kino is a big part of it. Being sexual is putting yourself really close to her, breaking the personal space bubble, having your arms touch. Putting your arm around her shoulder or waist. Finding excuses to touch her. Touching her on her back when you are moving past her or want to get her attention. The point is all of those things are not necessary. I have never felt the need to touch a womans back when I was trying to squeeze past her, but a sexual guy will. At my new job I have been doing a lot of observation, looking how the guys interact with the women. It is amazing how much a guy can actually get away with. Again I have never felt that it was proper to touch her. It just seems very unnatural to me and I need to change that if I want women to see me as sexual.

The next part is how you talk to them. A sexual guy will tease her and not just go along with what she says. Which again is completely unnatural to me. There are more aspects to it.

I dont think that has anything to do with experience or inexperience. Other posters on here had got experience from pros, AFF crap, or a fat girl and it was not the magic bullet. Maybe you did something else?

My pros and AFF stuff doesn't count because the actual times were very limited. Even though I have been with 6 women I have only had sex, 7 times. I've only been with one person more than one times. The average guy has had sex hundreds of times. They also see their girl(s) many times for long periods of time. The number of girl "hours" I have is very low. Therefore I don't have any real experience with women. Now if I had a pro every week (which there is no way I will do) then I would start to get experience. It's all about how much time you spend with women.

Total BS. Women don't have a '6th sense' or whatever. They'll judge you on what they see and hear regarding you.
Even the guys who got good with girls always put it down to improvements in personality and looks. The sexing comes AFTER this is nailed.

MM

The thread authors point is that settling with fat or ugly girls counts as experience because they are still women, barely. And yes women and other people can tell how comfortable you are with women. If you never touch a girl or say anything flirty she can easily tell that you aren't comfortable with her. I even had a girl ask if I was scared of her. My guess was that she said that because I didn't touch her and I stayed a few feet away from her.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Heh I'd say that 15 women is pretty experienced considering that the average man has 3-5 partners.

I know they aren't sexual to me because I'm not sexual with them. Thats because I just don't know how to be.

Or it's because you may be perceived as creepy/wierd?

The worst thing is that I'm not yet comfortable touching women when that is the primary way that guys show their sexuality.

How can you be? You could get into trouble with a sex harassment suite or the law or something like that -- I mean would you grope someone in your office and expect to just get away with it?

The problem is I feel that I just cant help worry about giving off the wrong creepy type vibes and thus engage in kino. Let's face it, I'm not used to women, I'm inexperienced, people dont understand that, and if I try something I could end up in jail or lose my license or something, or you could lose your job -- yet ANOTHER guy would get away with it - which is the double standard I'm talking about. It's too pre-mature for me to be crying 'Involuntary Celibacy' right now - but do you feel you have no control over the vibes you are given out?

I dissagre with you on your last statement. Almost all women are sexual and they only have their guard up if you have been acting weird with or around them. If you can show them that you are a cool, normal guy, then there is a lot you can get away with. If you come off as a creep /weirdo to her, she will bite your head off if you try to touch her.

Ok, so lets say they are sexual with OTHER guys except for us because we just give off the wrong creepy/wierdo vibes. Then what?

 

[Mad Manic]

The thread authors point is that settling with fat or ugly girls counts as experience because they are still women, barely. And yes women and other people can tell how comfortable you are with women. If you never touch a girl or say anything flirty she can easily tell that you aren't comfortable with her. I even had a girl ask if I was scared of her. My guess was that she said that because I didn't touch her and I stayed a few feet away from her.

Yes but you can get good at that by practising flirting and touching, but there's more to getting lays than just that. I might be being a little cynical here or closer to the cusp of lays than I realise (or not), but I don't have problems touching/flirting/C+F/kisses/numbers etc. but the lays seem like a mile away. Like venue changing, all the escalating, disarming LMR, stopping her friends ruining it all etc. It's almost a military operation at times. My main issue is the friends ruining it/stopping it. Don't others get this?

 

[The Sperminator]

I agree with the op. Trust me I have met lots of virgins and they are mainly the same. They are too damn picky and aim too high. I know you guys will say **** like you should only go for the hot chicks and so forth but when you are like a 4 or 5 what makes you think you can get an 8 or higher I mean it's possible but don't count on it. At least practice on lower hbs before you go for the big fish. I have a friend who never even kissed a girl but won't go out with average chicks because he thinks hes too good for them. He's a ****ing 4!!! How the hell does he expect to get a 9. He has no game either. I mean if he had game then maybe he could get at least an 7 or 8 but he doesn't but he still thinks he can get a 9. Wake up and smell reality it's not going to happen and if it does you might have to wait forever for it to happen. Get experience first then go for the big stuff.

 

[Mad Manic]

I agree with the op. Trust me I have met lots of virgins and they are mainly the same. They are too damn picky and aim too high. I know you guys will say **** like you should only go for the hot chicks and so forth but when you are like a 4 or 5 what makes you think you can get an 8 or higher I mean it's possible but don't count on it. At least practice on lower hbs before you go for the big fish. I have a friend who never even kissed a girl but won't go out with average chicks because he thinks hes too good for them. He's a ****ing 4!!! How the hell does he expect to get a 9. He has no game either. I mean if he had game then maybe he could get at least an 7 or 8 but he doesn't but he still thinks he can get a 9. Wake up and smell reality it's not going to happen and if it does you might have to wait forever for it to happen. Get experience first then go for the big stuff.

You've just pedestalised the HB 7 +'s by saying they are big stuff. They're just women like the rest. I don't agree a guy with limited experience should go for < HB5s either. What if he genuinely deserves a HB7+ apart from the fact his game is lacking? Dating/sexing UGs won't help his confidence. I think he'd be happier seeing improvement in interactions with girls in his league. If you mean guys who are 4-5 on physical appeal then yes aiming for HB 7-10s might be pointless to start with. But what about a guy whose a 9 on the physical scale but just has bad game?

 

[nightcrawler]

I'm in my 20s and still a Virgin..I've never even kissed a girl.

How many times haave I had the chance to lose it? 2. Chance to at least date? 5+

Yep, these were handed to me in a silver plater and I still said no.

My problem? I aim too high

With that said, I agree with the OP. Had I done things differently I would probly be with a very beautiful woman right now

 

[Maxtro]

Or it's because you may be perceived as creepy/wierd?

For most of my life I have been creepy and weird. Now I'm doing everything in my power to make sure I don't come off that way. I interact with others and try to be included. I'm done with the lone wolf thing.

How can you be? You could get into trouble with a sex harassment suite or the law or something like that -- I mean would you grope someone in your office and expect to just get away with it?

Dude relax. The last thing on my mind is sexual harassment. And no I'm not stupid enough to grab a womans tits or ass. I hope you aren't either.

The problem is I feel that I just cant help worry about giving off the wrong creepy type vibes and thus engage in kino. Let's face it, I'm not used to women, I'm inexperienced, people dont understand that, and if I try something I could end up in jail or lose my license or something, or you could lose your job -- yet ANOTHER guy would get away with it - which is the double standard I'm talking about. It's too pre-mature for me to be crying 'Involuntary Celibacy' right now - but do you feel you have no control over the vibes you are given out? Ok, so lets say they are sexual with OTHER guys except for us because we just give off the wrong creepy/wierdo vibes. Then what?

Yes we are both inexperienced with women and most people our ages aren't. The best thing you can do to avoid trying to give creepy vibes to women before you kino them is to try to control how you act with women. The best thing to do is to be friendly, fun and to touch new women. They don't know that you are an inexperienced guy. I'm going to try this at work next time. I've seen what the guys get away with at that place and I know that I'll be fine if I stop before I go to far. I don't really care about the job but I am going to use it as practice for dealing with women. I have no fear of a double standard simply because I won't try to do that much to girls that I don't know that well.

Right now my problem is that I don't really know when I can, where I can and how I can touch a woman. I wish this stuff was taught.

Yes but you can get good at that by practising flirting and touching, but there's more to getting lays than just that. I might be being a little cynical here or closer to the cusp of lays than I realise (or not), but I don't have problems touching/flirting/C+F/kisses/numbers etc. but the lays seem like a mile away. Like venue changing, all the escalating, disarming LMR, stopping her friends ruining it all etc. It's almost a military operation at times. My main issue is the friends ruining it/stopping it. Don't others get this?

You are simply at a different level than I am. You are learning how to run. I think I just figured out how to crawl.

I agree with the op. Trust me I have met lots of virgins and they are mainly the same. They are too damn picky and aim too high. I know you guys will say **** like you should only go for the hot chicks and so forth but when you are like a 4 or 5 what makes you think you can get an 8 or higher I mean it's possible but don't count on it. At least practice on lower hbs before you go for the big fish. I have a friend who never even kissed a girl but won't go out with average chicks because he thinks hes too good for them. He's a ****ing 4!!! How the hell does he expect to get a 9. He has no game either. I mean if he had game then maybe he could get at least an 7 or 8 but he doesn't but he still thinks he can get a 9. Wake up and smell reality it's not going to happen and if it does you might have to wait forever for it to happen. Get experience first then go for the big stuff.

I will never turn a girl down. Heck the only girl I've ever kissed was a 3 or 4. But I find it hard to actually pursue a girl lower than a 6. I have to be attracted to her to make the effort. But if she does all the work like the girl I mentioned above then I will just let it happen.

Physically I'm probably a 7 and I can improve that if I work out more. I really don't want to be seen with women who are below me. But personality /gamewise, I'm about a 4.

 

[AFC Savior]

to clear things up really quickly, i never said to go for a fat or ugly girl.......i basically said that if you are a virgin, then you are automatically a 3 or 4 in every girl's eyes, so you better chalk up some experience, and go for somewhat average looking girls, like a 4 or a 5.....dont go for a fat and ugly 1, i never suggested that!!

 

[Master Bates]

to clear things up really quickly, i never said to go for a fat or ugly girl.......i basically said that if you are a virgin, then you are automatically a 3 or 4 in every girl's eyes, so you better chalk up some experience, and go for somewhat average looking girls, like a 4 or a 5.....dont go for a fat and ugly 1, i never suggested that!!

Again, you're full of sh*t. I've known girls who have no problem with dating 20something virgins if they're otherwise attractive enough. I'm friends with a really attractive girl who's in a serious relationship with a guy whose virginity she took when he was almost 23. You just don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you're extrapolating generalizations from personal experience too much.

Also, if it's really an issue, just don't mention that you're a virgin, and don't act like one.

 

[Maxfarsigth]

I really hope sexuality comes up with practice. Cause my experience in that field is very low. But hell im trying to practice a lot right now.

Months ago I thought making out (as of kissing and touching and cudling) was something magical. But folks ur right it is soooo NOT:
Dont get me wrong here: its fun, i really enjoy it, and yeah sometimes makes you wanna fly. BUT its not something mistical-magicall, its just something you do.

I think that im comming to learn a couple of things about making out BUT my girl still has the control. Yup: shes teaching me and eaven though i really dont like that fact, im very happy about learning a lot and fast.

I hope that the same happens when having sex. Im not an expert either. But i guess that practice and DJ-minded actions will make ppl learn (PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM MISTAKEN)

Anyway.. to me: so far so good with:
+ Not worrying too much about learning sexuality
+ DJ-minded actions toward learning.
+ Enjoy all the way.

Maybe the only bad thing is: shes in control.. but its like everything else: YOU GOT TO LEARN FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS BETTER THAN YOU RIGHT?

Oh and an important though PLEASE REPLY OR ILL KILL YA =):

If you date girls you dont care pleasing sexualy and theyre not much of pros: How are you gonna learn how to please?. Well guess i just like working under presure: makes you learn faster =)

 

[AFC Savior]

what do you guys expect if you are inexperienced and try going for a hot experienced girl? why does she want you? She wants sexual pleasure and she's gonna go get it from guys who know what they are doing

she will go for that guy who is a 4 in looks but a 10 in sexuality over a guy who's a 9 in looks who's rich who is a 2 in sexuality (she might use that guy for money tho, but won't really wanna have sex with him)

the ONLY way to increase sexuality is to penetrate p$ssy ,there is no substitute, no amount of porn u can watch and positions u can know, no amount of karma sutra u read, NOTHING replaces real experience with real p$ssy, and LET GO OF YOUR GODDAMN EGO and realize that the hb5 in front of you has a nice tight p$ssy that is going to make u cvm and built you up to be ready for the hotter girls WHEN you are ready

no socially retarded virgin is ever going to get a girl that is out of his league - hot girls don't want socially retarded virgins (even if those virgins have read the don juan bible)........when a virgin tries to pull off sexual energy, he comes off as CREEPY, if any of u remember girls calling you creepy or see girls calling other guys creepy, thats because those guys had no idea how to be sexual and instead came off, you guessed it, CREEPY

and dont tell me you don't know what I'm talkinga bout because this applies to ALL OF YOU, even the guys who have ****ed as many girls as me, you all know how awkward u were sexually before your first few girls, but they all taught you how to exude your sexuality better (since u knew what ****ing feels like) and you were able to easier seduce better girls

 

[Luke Skywalker]

the ONLY way to increase sexuality is to penetrate p$ssy ,there is no substitute, no amount of porn u can watch and positions u can know, no amount of karma sutra u read, NOTHING replaces real experience with real p$ssy, and LET GO OF YOUR GODDAMN EGO and realize that the hb5 in front of you has a nice tight p$ssy that is going to make u cvm and built you up to be ready for the hotter girls WHEN you are ready

Anyone can have sex. You have people on here who have gone pretty far to get it - pros and aff-hoes - and guess what - they still come across as creepy.

no socially retarded virgin is ever going to get a girl that is out of his league - hot girls don't want socially retarded virgins (even if those virgins have read the don juan bible)........when a virgin tries to pull off sexual energy, he comes off as CREEPY, if any of u remember girls calling you creepy or see girls calling other guys creepy, thats because those guys had no idea how to be sexual and instead came off, you guessed it, CREEPY

Well, isn't that a catch-22, if you come across as creepy and creep girls out you cant have sex, and thus remain a virgin - well wouldn't that apply to the hb5 or whatever too? Or are you saying hb5's and lower like creepy guys?

and dont tell me you don't know what I'm talkinga bout because this applies to ALL OF YOU, even the guys who have ****ed as many girls as me, you all know how awkward u were sexually before your first few girls, but they all taught you how to exude your sexuality better (since u knew what ****ing feels like) and you were able to easier seduce better girls

Yeah, but if sexual encounters are sparce and far and few inbetween, there isn't much difference between that and being a virgin based on that logic. But for SOME people, perhaps that works and it could mean the break-through that results in lots of success, but if it was that simple, then people would just need to get a pro and everything would be ok - but that's absurd reasoning.

 

[AFC Savior]

you guys crack me up with some of your replies

 

[Monkey]

you guys crack me up with some of your replies

YOU crack me up with this ridiculous post!

 

[AFC Savior]

and what is so ridiculous about it?

this is a solid peice of advice to all the guys who need it

proven to work by me

 

[Maxtro]

This thread is really good. After all the reading I've done, I realized that I was missing the actual experience of being with women. Women are still women no matter how they look. I don't know if anybody remembers Comic_Relief's thread where he posted the pictures of himself and his girl. Lots of people railed on him because his girl wasn't all that hot. But she was still a girl and I'm sure he was fucking her. So he is getting experience.

So the idea is to temporarily lower your standards and just hook up with women for sex. Once I get my own place that is what I will be doing. Oh well pussy doesn't have a face. Heh, bumping uglies.

It just sucks that there are lots of beautiful women out there, and that I'm just not yet good enough for them.

 

[Nexus Polaris]

I myself have been a virgin, as have all other don juans who are currently very good with women, and I have observed over the last few months exactly what every virgin's and inexperienced guy's problem is!

you aim too high

YOU AIM TOO HIGH


I do not care how great of a person you are, or how good looking you are, or how rich you are......the fact that you are a virgin/inexperienced means that you do not have the #1 thing that every hot woman wants - SEXUALITY. You can't just HAVE IT if you have never been exposed to it!!

Women know this, especially the very good looking ones, and automatically, you, the virgin/inexperienced guy appear to be a 3/10 or a 4/10 or something like that.......and then you complain on sosuave why that girl flaked on you or why she gave you shyt.......its beause shes an 8 and you are a 4

you may thing you are an 8 but you are really at the bottom of the pile when it comes to guys, BECAUSE YOU ARE INEXPERIENCED SEXUALLY

Your mistake is aiming too high and trying to go for the really cute hot gorgeous desirable girls - you CANNOT GET THEM if you yourself are useless!!!


Yea, that was me in high school........always wanted the cutest girls, asked them out, talked to them and ljbf'ed with them when they said no to going out, and i remained a virgin till college - and then I started getting girls when I realized that I myself am nothing special...nothing special YET

that's right guys, I was obviously a chump, a 3/10 who had no experience with girls.....so why the hell would some HB8 or HB9 ever want me when she could have a guy that could really satisfy her cuz he knew what he was doing?? MY POINT EXACTLY

the first few girls i went on dates with and had sex with and all that, in about a 1 year span......i'd say 15 outta 20 of them were an HB5 or lower. I did it to get experience, to crawl before i walked, and yes i did luck out on some really cute girlfriends (5 outta 20 or so) and of course, after a while, i ended up not knowing how to handle them, and they dumped me

YOU CANT AIM HIGH WHEN YOU YOURSELF ARE LOW

if you have no sexual experience, you will only snap out of your funk if you date girls that are interested in you......it may just be that hb4 or hb5 whos a freak in the bed or a really nice girl, leave your ego at the door, your EGO WILL KILL YOU, it will tell you that you are a shame of a man just because you are not with an HB10, and the fact is, that is total bull****!


Currently, I have been with 83 girls, and had around 10-15 girls fall in love with me, and in the last 2 years, thanks to all my experience already, I basically CONTROL girls and their emotions, and **** them whenever I want, its seriously easy and repetitious for me now, and TO GET TO THIS POINT, you need to start somewhere, and tell your ego to shut the hell up!!!

YOU are a 4, start out with some less than average girl, **** her, bust a nut, move on, move up, you will know better how to make a girl ***...........then move up to hotter girls, and just keep at it. You wont be able to get anywhere unless you start somewhere

YOU CANT AIM TOO HIGH WHEN YOU YOURSELF ARE TOO LOW

That's not exactly true. I was a virgin all throughout high school. And I had a huge crush on this super popular ridiculously hot girl for about 3 years. Seriously, at 17 she looked 21. She's was easily an HB10. She only dated older guys. She didn't even waste her time with the popular guys at school. She was one of those types.

Anyway, long story short, a mutual acquaintence of ours mentioned to me that this girl wanted to meet me. I thought she was kidding. Then she introduced us. By the end of my senior year of high school, this girl was coming over to my house at 1 in the morning and getting furious that I wouldn't put out.

I kept her interested for quite awhile until she finally moved away to college that summer. But I think a big part of why she wouldn't leave me alone was that she couldn't figure out why I wouldn't sleep with her. She didn't get rejected by anybody.

But honestly, as long as I had pined over this girl, once she was there for the taking, I didn't want her anymore.

But she chased me down. I was just content to sit there on the bench with my friend at lunch and oggle her as she walked by everyday at 12:15 fantasizing about how awesome it would be to date her. She turned that whole thing into reality with no initiation on my part.

So it does happen. Just not often.

 

[Maxtro]

Uh Nexus what is the point of your post? Don't go after the hot girls cause they may go after you?